Alonso claims that Grosjean and Vettels quali in Japan cost the title

Brilliant driver, horrible personality.

"The championship was not lost here," said Alonso. "The championship was lost when Grosjean flew over my head or when Vettel surprisingly only got a reprimand after qualifying in Japan.

TRUE!

He is the Casey Stoner of F1. He can't speak the truth without being labelled "moaner", "sour" or "horrible" etc.

Alonso needs to remember that had McLaren not messed up as much as they did, he wouldn't have even had a look in this year. Credit to him for his consistency but bad luck affected more drivers than himself.

From an egocentric pov he's right. But F1 or the world doesn't revolve around him. Others have lost points too. Lewis Hamilton was much more unlucky this year. You can count his what if's on more then one hand compared to Alonso.
In the end it's all part of the game that you need some luck and have to be at the right places at the right time.

LdM, Dom and Fred should drink some Red Bull, and quit blaming others... if they could spend half the time/effort they waste on politicking and bull sh*t PR in fixing their wind tunnel they might get somewhere. Instead of starting to look inside to figure out wtf is wrong with them, they are already starting the PR spin searching for excuses.

Edited by Seanspeed, 26 November 2012 - 14:15.

He is the Casey Stoner of F1. He can't speak the truth without being labelled "moaner", "sour" or "horrible" etc.

Edited by Diablobb81, 26 November 2012 - 14:14.

Ha-haa... look at all the Alonso haters coming to kick the man when he is down :)

Maybe we are mixing bad luck with incompetence here.

However, as he summed up his season and his achievement, the 25-year-old German remarked "a lot of people tried to play dirty tricks. But we did not get distracted by that and kept going our way."

The incompetence of drivers like RoGro (and maybe himself in Japan) cost FA valuable points.
The incomptence of Mac team cost LH valuable points.

There.

Edited by FirstWatt, 26 November 2012 - 14:18.

Don't waste your time, Vettel can say whatever he want's to the press or in radio transmissions he would have never be treated as Lewis or Fernando.

Don't waste your time, Vettel can say whatever he want's to the press or in radio transmissions he would have never be treated as Lewis or Fernando.

Come on, he just lost the damn championship. He has the right to think about the what if situations. But as it has been said, that goes both ways. Vettel would've a lot to speculate as well had he lost. No need to downplay Alonso for this.

Don't waste your time, Vettel can say whatever he want's to the press or in radio transmissions he would have never be treated as Lewis or Fernando.

Can you include a link to the source?

However, as he summed up his season and his achievement, the 25-year-old German remarked "a lot of people tried to play dirty tricks. But we did not get distracted by that and kept going our way."

"The championship was not lost here," said Alonso. "The championship was lost when Grosjean flew over my head or when Vettel surprisingly only got a reprimand after qualifying in Japan.

Seems like sour grapes to me...

Sebastian Vettel referred, in an interview after yesterday's race to some rival teams using "dirty tricks" during the season. What exactly was he referring to? I was shocked by the comment.

"The championship was not lost here," said Alonso. "The championship was lost when Grosjean flew over my head or when i f***ed up at the start of Japan".

Seems like sour grapes to me...

Bad luck is a part of racing and a championship campaign. Out of all front runners, Alonso experienced the least about of bad luck.

Among the top drivers, I would say Hamilton, Button and Webber are the most humble and respectful, admitting when they don't have the pace or they make a mistake rather than looking to blame others.

Everybody has their haters and Vettel isn't an exception. This just happens to be a gathering of Alonso/Ferrari haters in here. I'm sure you'd get plenty of similar responses if you created a thread about Vettel's comment.

Oh my frigin Gooood!!

What Fernando said was "no creo que se pueda mirar atrás ahora y ver lo que hicimos mal en Interlagos. Está claro que el título no se pierde en la última carrera. Lo perdí cuando Grosjean me pasó a dos palmos de la cabeza, cuando choqué con Raikkonnen en Japón", and this was the answer to a loaded question from a Spanish journalist. Fernando, at no point, tried to point the finger at anyone. He did mention Grosjean because Grosjean DID hit him, but not in the context of him trying to put the blame on the Frenchman, which is what you're trying to imply.

Agreed on first part, not second part. I have the "bad luck" total between Seb & Fer as 1-1. Fernando's bad luck at Spa & Vettel's bad luck at Brazil. That's a tie in my book. No reliability problems isn't bad luck, that's part of a good car/team.

I see, so he thinks he´s the only one losing points for external factors.

If you just analyse Vettel and Alonso, Alo sure lost more points than Vettel for external factors. I'm afraid you cannot say that alternator issues are external. It's part of the team, and you win and loose with the team.

Agreed on first part, not second part. I have the "bad luck" total between Seb & Fer as 1-1. Fernando's bad luck at Spa & Vettel's bad luck at Brazil. That's a tie in my book. No reliability problems isn't bad luck, that's part of a good car/team.

Are you really sure that he gave only one spanish interview and didn´t speak to other press, BBC is quite trustworthy source, source is here and I´m only quoting the SOURCE, not implying anything!!!

I like the man but if he's looking for reasons he didn't win, he can start with his turn one contact in Suzuka.

If you just analyse Vettel and Alonso, Alo sure lost more points than Vettel for external factors. I'm afraid you cannot say that alternator issues are external. It's part of the team, and you win and loose with the team.

Edited by mnmracer, 26 November 2012 - 14:55.

Of course you are right, but in that case, in the same way Fernando complains about the car being slow, Vettel can complain about lack of reliability.

Vettel could also say that he had to retire twice with a broken alternator (Valencia & Monza) and in Valencia he was comfortably leading. Alonso never had those kind of technical woes.

If we´re talking about driver´s merits, a car failing IS a external reason.

If we´re not talking about driving performance, Alonso was eliminated by Romain in Spa. Seb was eliminated by Narain in Malaysia. That´s it.

Sebastian Vettel referred, in an interview after yesterday's race to some rival teams using "dirty tricks" during the season. What exactly was he referring to? I was shocked by the comment.