Edit: source is TS: http://translate.goo.....=www.ts.fi/f1
Edited by F.M., 27 November 2012 - 16:16.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 16:02
Edited by F.M., 27 November 2012 - 16:16.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 16:04
that's because he can't pass...see the quote in my sig.The 2012 WDC has also made the most overtakes this season (60). I think that shows he really had to race hard for this WDC.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 16:09
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Edited by matthewf1, 27 November 2012 - 16:14.
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 16:43
DRS has skewed 'overtaking' figures.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 16:47
Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:05
Edited by H2H, 27 November 2012 - 17:08.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:44
Until he overtakes while being 5 seconds slower than the rest on three wheels on the ourtside in the rain, I won't rate him.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 17:48
nope just means he had the faster car/ faster driver & car combos failed to finish/ had technical issues/ the team messed up see lewis hamilton's race history this year.that's because he can't pass...see the quote in my sig.
Edited by itsademo, 27 November 2012 - 17:53.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 18:22
let's se what you wrote there:nope just means he had the faster car/ faster driver & car combos failed to finish/ had technical issues/ the team messed up see lewis hamilton's race history this year.
see your sig back at you
or perhaps you should see what others here think about who the best overtaker is
http://forums.autosp...w...178332&st=0
prepair to be upset
Posted 27 November 2012 - 18:32
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 19:18
nope just means he had the faster car/ faster driver & car combos failed to finish/ had technical issues/ the team messed up see lewis hamilton's race history this year.
see your sig back at you
or perhaps you should see what others here think about who the best overtaker is
http://forums.autosp...w...178332&st=0
prepair to be upset
Posted 27 November 2012 - 19:29
Are you really saying the Marussia is a faster car than the Red Bull?You do know that every team apart from HRT is faster than Red Bull in the speed trap, right? Like even Marussia
Edited by tomboyracer, 27 November 2012 - 19:30.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 19:32
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Posted 27 November 2012 - 19:45
Ok cool and that would be meaningful except for the those bendy things at the end of the straights. Because the Red Bull is close to the best through those bits.In speed trap. Yes. Just look at the speed traps at all circuits.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 20:09
They have more downforce so better acceleration out of corners. Still Marussia/HRT beat em at the end of a straight. Gee, I wonder why it was hard for Vettel to overtake, most of the times being on different compounds to the others?Ok cool and that would be meaningful except for the those bendy things at the end of the straights. Because the Red Bull is close to the best through those bits.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 20:16
Ok cool and that would be meaningful except for the those bendy things at the end of the straights. Because the Red Bull is close to the best through those bits.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 20:23
There have been tracks where even the HRTs had higher straight-line speed.In speed trap. Yes. Just look at the speed traps at all circuits.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 20:23
Where the overtake happens is sort of moot when your car is 2-3 seconds a lap faster.Yeah... except most overtakes are done on a straight or diving into a corner when ahead in a straight. Which you can't do if your car is slower on a straight. Duh!
Posted 27 November 2012 - 20:25
Indeed. When your car is faster in the slow speed corners and gets a better exit than a car faster on a straight, it evens up pretty nicely.Where the overtake happens is sort of moot when your car is 2-3 seconds a lap faster.
Posted 27 November 2012 - 20:46
Edited by mnmracer, 27 November 2012 - 22:27.
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Edited by motorhead, 27 November 2012 - 22:21.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 00:05
Yeah... except most overtakes are done on a straight or diving into a corner when ahead in a straight. Which you can't do if your car is slower on a straight. Duh!
Posted 28 November 2012 - 00:42
But if your car has more downforce and better suspension etc. it will be a hell of a lot more stable under braking, making an overtake much easier going into a corner.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 00:48
Again, Brazil still pending, but the number of on-track overtakes only on Red Bulls, Ferraris, McLarens, Renaults and Mercedes'.
Up to Brazil 2012, the total number of 'top car' overtakes:
Lewis Hamilton: 22 (out of 48 total; 48%)
Sebastian Vettel: 21 (out of 45 total; 47%)
Fernando Alonso: 14 (out of 36 total; 39%)
Up to Brazil 2012, the total number of 'equal' 'top car' overtakes (tires no more than 5 laps fresher):
Sebastian Vettel: 11 (out of 23 total; 48%)
Lewis Hamilton: 11 (out of 21 total; 52%)
Fernando Alonso: 7 (out of 17 total; 41%)
Posted 28 November 2012 - 00:51
Until he overtakes while being 5 seconds slower than the rest on three wheels on the ourtside in the rain, I won't rate him.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:36
top speed is not the be all and end all of most racingYou do know that every team apart from HRT is faster than Red Bull in the speed trap, right? Like even Marussia
Posted 28 November 2012 - 02:46
Cong rats
Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:54
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:02
Again, Brazil still pending, but the number of on-track overtakes only on Red Bulls, Ferraris, McLarens, Renaults and Mercedes'.
Up to Brazil 2012, the total number of 'top car' overtakes:
Lewis Hamilton: 22 (out of 48 total; 48%)
Sebastian Vettel: 21 (out of 45 total; 47%)
Fernando Alonso: 14 (out of 36 total; 39%)
Up to Brazil 2012, the total number of 'equal' 'top car' overtakes (tires no more than 5 laps fresher):
Sebastian Vettel: 11 (out of 23 total; 48%)
Lewis Hamilton: 11 (out of 21 total; 52%)
Fernando Alonso: 7 (out of 17 total; 41%)
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 08:15
Routinely overtaking 6 slower cars and 2 Toro Rosso doesn't make you an overtake king.
Edited by H2H, 28 November 2012 - 08:18.
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Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:17
Hmmm, and the Schumacher 'overtake'. I don't want to sound bitter, but it really isn't good.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 11:28
Unfortunately you failed then.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:25
Vettel's silly stats of this season:Silly stats. Who made the most gear changes during the season? Who made the most calls on the radio?
Edited by F.M., 28 November 2012 - 12:31.
Posted 28 November 2012 - 12:34
Vettel's silly stats of this season:
Most points
Most wins
Most overtakes
Most fastest laps
2nd Most pole positions
2nd Most podium finishes
Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:14