Will Vettel overhaul Schumi ?

Edited by sailor, 29 November 2012 - 10:44.

I think there's a big possibility of him not winning another WDC.

I think there's a big possibility of him not winning another WDC.

Let me put it this way: if anyone of the current drivers can do it, it's him. But, on the other hand, Alonso was also going to break records, then Hamilton, and look what happened. So, he has the best chance but it's still pretty slim.

Edited by seahawk, 29 November 2012 - 11:04.

Can't vote on your poll as you have strange options for the second part.

I do not think Seb will get 7 WDCs, but the reason is not what your options provide.

I just think that Red Bull won't be that dominant the coming years. Nothing to do with wanting him to win, not wanting him to win -- or that such results are harmful or whatever.

You would think by now 'can it get luckier than this?' but it probably could yeah. He could win a lot more titles.

Edited by sailor, 29 November 2012 - 11:41.

Quite possibly!

Schumacher didn't have a B-team jumping out of the way and just had to rely on his teammate. Over the seasons, it will play it's part to lesser or greater degree.

Its not a thread about Button's 2009 title or Kimi;s 2007 . Now those were lucky in different ways !

3X cant be deemed lucky by any stretch

Its not a thread about Button's 2009 title or Kimi;s 2007 . Now those were lucky in different ways !

3X cant be deemed lucky by any stretch

Edited by byronbolscher, 29 November 2012 - 11:49.

Lol, Vettel and his three little helpers. Maybe Ferrari should buy HRT. They are bound to get lapped, so they could hold up any competition at least twice a race.

So vote option 3 in Q1.

Second Q is not for reasons but asking if you prefer that Vettel matches the record.



The second question is simply asking for your preference . not why Vettel wont be able to match the record.

1> Yes you d want that to happen - reason for your preferring that scenario.
2> No - you wouldnt - Reason #1 for Your saying "NO you dont Prefer that"
3> No - You woulndnt Reason #2 for Your saying "NO you dont Prefer that"

Sure, it's possible. With the regulations so strict it's hard to overhaul a team that has hit a sweet spot.

More freedom - more competition!

Why should Ferrari buy them? They already do whats needed - especially cucumber ! LOL

Edited by Kucki, 29 November 2012 - 12:14.

Or even losing one.

Edited by H2H, 29 November 2012 - 12:09.

The scary thing is that Vettel may be as little as a third of the way through his career and is already a triple world champion. In that light I can see him reaching 7 titles and possibly reaching the IMO even more impressive Schumacher tally of 91 wins. Whether he'll ever be as good as Schumacher is a different matter, but its a frightening prospect; if he peaks in his early thirties, as F1 drivers tend to do, how good is he going to be then? I've a feeling Vettel is going to become the benchmark by which his era is defined, much as Schumacher and Senna were before him.

You don't see the battles you used to see between the no1 and the no2 in the championship. That is the stuff legends are made of.

Hakkinen and Schumacher scrapped more than once every other race. Even Alonso and Schumacher had their fights. Before that, you had Senna and Prost hammering it out. But who is battling Vettel? It seems each race is an episode in itself, but title contenders hardly meet up like they used to.

Edited by 1Devil1, 29 November 2012 - 13:00.

It all depends on if Vettel gets a decent car every season and that is the combination every driver wants. Yes he's won 3 WDC's but whats to say he'll have a challenger in every season? There could be a run where Button, Alonso, Hamilton etc win multiple titles, we just don't know what is around the corner.

Very unlikely.

You may not want that to happen but I d say its 99% certain that he will get another title. I dont consider 1% as a big possibility but that s me.

If Seb signs with RBR and RBR maintain the team and dont lose the plot - I think there is a good chance (i d say 30% ) that he goes on to beat 7.

Edited by StefanArak, 29 November 2012 - 13:22.

I think there's a big possibility of him not winning another WDC.

Let me put it this way: if anyone of the current drivers can do it, it's him. But, on the other hand, Alonso was also going to break records, then Hamilton, and look what happened. So, he has the best chance but it's still pretty slim.

If Hamilton does a recovery, this forum would explode what a high class driver he is.

Edited by spacekid, 29 November 2012 - 13:37.

Your memory serve you wrong. Schumacher and Hakkinen had good battles in between 1998 and 2000. But clearly not in every race. The McLaren was a much better car in 1998. There are some classics like Suzuka 2000 or Monza 1998 but this memories give you the feeling both fought in every races. Alonso and Vettel had their fair share of fights this year (Monza). Also when you have more competitive drivers and teams it's much harder to meet you on track every race because one could stay on the front the other on p3,p4. Vettel can't great "stuff legends are made of" of his own, the circumstances must be right

That's why I said, every other race.;) I remember at least more of those toe-to-toe fights than I've seen the past three years.


I read a nice analysis on Vettels overtaking skills in Brazil.
P24
Senna/Perez out
P22
Maldonado crash
P21
Grosjean crash
P20
new teams
P14
Torro Rosso's
P12
Schumacher flat tire and later went in Torro Rosso mode.
P11
Rosberg also had a flat tire and was never seen again during the race
P10
Hamilton crash
P9

So he went from P9 to P6 by overtaking:
Sightseeing Kimi (was he behind Vettel when that happened?)
Di Resta crash (was he in front of him?)
Kobayashi (overtake)
So in effect, who did Vettel really overtake? Passing the new teams and bolt-on teammates doesn't really count.

In my book he is the 'worst' three times WDC in a row. If he stays with RedBull and more important, Newey stays at RedBull, then yes, he can win more than Schumacher. Just like Schumacher could if he stayed at Benetton in 1997 or switched to a Newey build car from 1997 onwards. But... he didn't and got rewarded with five consecutive titels at the start of the century.