Ferrari boss: Vettel over Hamilton

Of course Luca wants Vettel, he is still a child and thus can be manipulated. He has thrown at least 3 temper tantrums this year alone i can think of.

1. complaining to the team to do something because he couldn't get past the much slower Button.
2. complaining because he got a drive through for running Alonso of the track and Italy
3. crying that Karthikeyan didn't jump out of his way and that's why Hamilton got by in Austin


Hamilton has matured a lot since last year, and is becoming more and more like Alonso, in that he is not afraid to criticize his team for short comings.

As Scuderia fan I'd rather see Hamilton in red outfit, than Vettel. Hamilton + Ferrari would be perfect combo (Vettel would fit in perfectly for sure, but Hamilton is faster IMO).

I agree that Lewis is faster.......Neither Lewis or Sebastian had any tire or mechanical issues during the U.S. Grand Prix, but Hamilton was able to continue and stalk Vettel for a long time, eventually taking advantage of traffic to pass Sebastian for the lead, and eventual win.

I believe that the 2012 U.S. GP was one of Lewis's finest drives!

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Sure. That completely invalidates his point, because those sources that clearly prove his point, aren't convincing enough for you.

Most team principals agreed that Vettel could not do better in Alonso's shoes.

Edited by Sakae, 21 December 2012 - 18:37.

If his team continues down its path, he would only get the Webbers and the Fisichellas.

Most team principals agreed that Vettel could not do better in Alonso's shoes.

How is the vote for Alonso as a driver of a year by team principals answering my question then? There is no correlation as far as I can tell between fabr68's statement, and your post with quoted polling results related to a different issue altogether.

Edited by Kingshark, 21 December 2012 - 18:43.

They were not in the same car either so how can you come to any real conclusions?

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 21 December 2012 - 19:23.

You're joking, right?

If team principles vote Alonso as the best driver of 2012, ahead of Vettel; then this proves that they believe Vettel would not have done better than Alonso in his shoes. Team principles vote Alonso as the best driver of 2012, hence they believe he performed the best throughout the season.

Is it really that hard to interpret this basic information? Use logic.

Sure Ferrari want to line Vettel up, and sure he's going to replace Alonso one day, but the way it works in F1 is that will not happen until Vettel beats Alonso with a lesser car than the one Alonso is driving... to date Alonso has almost twice beaten fingerboy with a lesser car, so Vettel has little to no chance of replacing Alonso until Alonso retires - and now Vettel is screwed because almost nobody wins 4 in a row, and if they do it'll be confirmed it's because of the car - lose lose for fingerboy.

Didn't he say something similar about Alonso, when Kimi was still driving for the team?

Joking aside, I cannot imagine Luca blames Alonso for the "failure to deliver".

Lol Monty. "I like Vettel, because he is not presumptuous. He wants to win but he is not arrogant."

Luca baby, Sebi is by some margin the MOST arrogant driver on the grid.

yup, after 2008 spanish grand prix, Montezemolo said "Massa's place is safe" and "I wouldn't put Alonso in next to Raikkönen" in separate interviews. Keke Rosberg put two and two together and said "Kimi will have to make place for Alonso", which sounded absurd at the time, as Raikkonen was defending WDC, in the lead of the 2008 championship...

I love the way you draw your conclusion from a few radio snippets that we get to hear. Do you seriously believe there is not similar conversations going on between the other drivers and their teams?

Lol Monty. "I like Vettel, because he is not presumptuous. He wants to win but he is not arrogant."

Luca baby, Sebi is by some margin the MOST arrogant driver on the grid.

Lol Monty. "I like Vettel, because he is not presumptuous. He wants to win but he is not arrogant."

Luca baby, Sebi is by some margin the MOST arrogant driver on the grid.

Edited by Seanspeed, 21 December 2012 - 21:13.

Lol Monty. "I like Vettel, because he is not presumptuous. He wants to win but he is not arrogant."

Luca baby, Sebi is by some margin the MOST arrogant driver on the grid.

Actually, Luca also told to Sky Sports:

"I like Vettel. He's a good man, a good driver. He's younger with a lot of talent. We will see. I always think that we like to have a number one and a number one likes to drive at least once in his career for Ferrari."

That pretty much sums it up. If Vettel keeps winning and Alonso losing...

I know conversations like this go on between drivers and teams all the time. Like I said Vettel is a child about it, and sounds/acts like a little kid stomping his feet that could start crying at any time.

When he starts expressing him self like a man, I'll start respecting him more.

I know conversations like this go on between drivers and teams all the time. Like I said Vettel is a child about it, and sounds/acts like a little kid stomping his feet that could start crying at any time.

When he starts expressing him self like a man, I'll start respecting him more.

No. Everyone knows that Vettel always has the fastest car. Ferrari would miraculously turn into one. He will win WDC for Ferrari and everyone would keep moaning about how unfair it is.

Joking aside, I think there's a chance that Newey might follow Vettel to Ferrari, just like Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne followed Schumacher to Ferrari. Newey seems very fond of him.

I find it really hard to find why anyone dislikes vettel beyond being completely ******** that he's beating their favourite driver.

I personally think Lewis is a great guy (perhaps hoping to a certain extent) and that's backed up by a lot of people who have met him and who talk about what he's like away from the cameras. However, it's pretty hard to deny there's plenty of examples of him acting like a d1ck and easy to understand how people might not warm to him (to put it lightly!).

On the other hand vettel very rarely says anything that could be construed as arrogant, despite plenty of provocation from the likes of lewis and alonso and having plenty to brag about, seems a genuinely likeable and chilled out guy, all the journos etc remark on this...and yet the fact he sounds a bit whiny when he's agitated on the radio is apparently enough to completely take against him.

I just don't get it.

I just don't get it.

Did you watch that clip I posted, Vettel right in Hembery's face? Do you listen to his radio? See the polls that show he's stunningly unpopular for someone of his achievements? I'm not sure about the journos either, personally.

It's because little cutiepie Sebi is a veneer. Arrogance isn't not boasting, it goes deeper than that; a lot of people agree with Webbo, who quite obviously cannot stand him.

Sebi is 'not arrogant' the same way Badoer was 'not slow', whereas it's a problem for Lewis that he's not arrogant enough. Well I've always thought Monty is RBR and McLaren's greatest asset.

Hmm, maybe it's time for a favourite driver poll...

It's about personality style, I'd rather deal with someone who get's in my face and doesn't pull punches when they are upset, than deal with someone who holds back, and pouts when something doesn't go his way.

Well, what Luca says is actually very interesting. Was he trying to mend things with Vettel or was he giving a thinly veiled warning to Alonso that if he doesnt deliver, then there other options with a lot of potential. If I was Alonso, I wouldnt particularly like seeing my boss saying such encouraging words about my nemesis #1.

No. No he is not. And thats a freakin terrible example of 'arrogance'.

But whatever deflects the arrogant accusations away from Lewis, right?

I think so too, a bit of a warning to Alonso. And you never know, maybe they are already seriously seeking a new driver who could replace him.

Lol Monty. "I like Vettel, because he is not presumptuous. He wants to win but he is not arrogant."

Luca baby, Sebi is by some margin the MOST arrogant driver on the grid.

didn't look like he was pulling many punches with the pirelli guy...doesnt seem to hold back on the radio when he's upset...pretty much he appears to act like a cool guy except when he's upset...which is what you're asking for, no?

I still don't see it in Vettel. I don't see a man when Vettel is upset, I see a child. poking at a Pirelli guy is like kicking a small dog, the pirelli guy is most likely always going to be subservient, he is a nobody compared to Vettel. Complaining over the radio to people who have to take it, is not what an adult does. I actually thought his RE responding to his wining about Button was really appropriate. it was basically "shut up and deal with it".

I haven't seen any polls showing he's stunningly unpopular but if you're talking about polls of F1 fans then I'd take a guess at why he's unpopoular and it's not because of his personality.

You haven't seen those favourite driver polls with Vettel on about 5% while Kimi, Lewis and Nando run away with it on 10-13%? This one for example.

What's your guess? Nationality? What about JB then?

Anyway Ferrari are welcome to him afaic.

Lol Monty. "I like Vettel, because he is not presumptuous. He wants to win but he is not arrogant."

Luca baby, Sebi is by some margin the MOST arrogant driver on the grid.

Think I agree with LdM. Honestly, I think Vettel is just a better driver than Hamilton; they may be evenly matched on pace, but as Mark Hughes said in his end-of-season-review; how can Mclaren not be devastated that a driver as good as Hamilton is leaving them? Vettel may have bitched about Karthikeyan in Austin and Malaysia, but it is impossible to imagine him releasing confidential team information over Twitter. He just seems a more mature, level-headed character. This is added to the fact that as Vettel improves year-on-year he is going to get better and better in relation to Hamilton - in five years, I don't think there'll be much debate as to who is the stronger driver of the two.

Personally, I hope Vettel goes to Ferrari while Alonso is still there. That partnership would be something to behold

Edited by Zava, 21 December 2012 - 23:59.

I don't think so, at least not if Vettel doesn't beat a 'proven driver', like Hamilton did in 2007, when he beat Alonso, who, by the way 'proved' himself by matching Hamilton in that year.

...and that reminds me of this kind of logic

Lol Monty. "I like Vettel, because he is not presumptuous. He wants to win but he is not arrogant."

Luca baby, Sebi is by some margin the MOST arrogant driver on the grid.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 22 December 2012 - 04:31.

Imo one of the reasons Alonso praises himself so much. His status is secure right now at his team but he knows it can swing quickly if Vettel keeps beating him in the WDC. Ferrari see themself as the best team so they have a natural interest to sign the driver with the best accolades.

Sigh, yes I watched that video, hardly the devil at play. I don't believe vettel's attitude is a veneer, I've seen far too much of him and read far too much about him.

And frankly I'd be very surprised if webber could stand him given he's been completely tonked by him, if I was vettel I wouldn't like webber very much given antics like in the brazilian GP this year.

I haven't seen any polls showing he's stunningly unpopular but if you're talking about polls of F1 fans then I'd take a guess at why he's unpopoular and it's not because of his personality.

Practically everything I've read about Vettel from journos has been positive.

.............. (imo one of the reasons Ferrari doesnt look as strong as they used to) and snatch some of the top RBR talent too. Kinda what happend with Benetton when Schumi went to Ferrari. For instance i wouldnt be surprised to see Horner go where Vettel goes.

I believe this is the crux of the issue - you snatch Vettel, he will take away some important personnel with him too. Maybe even Horner and Newey who might fancy a new challenge with Ferrari.

If he wanted a new challenge therefore his only options would be Lotus or Mercedes, however Mercedes would be unwilling to match his huge RBR check and all the other UK teams couldn't afford to.