Goodwood Revival 2013

Wow, Project 212 ahead of the Lister Coupe! There is a God after all!

What a drive from Mr Hadfield 

 

PAR

     what he said! 

Just having a break from watching the live coverage from Goodwood, does this mean I won't need to be there in future? Will save myself some money that way.

Now for a bit of a rant. Up to 1963 saloon car racing in the UK was dominated by Mk. II Jaguars, so where were they? Anthony Reid had a bit of a go in the first round yesterday but I don't think we were told what happened to him and the car wasn't out today. If these races are to be really representative then the Mk II has got be in with a chance.

What on earth makes you think that the racing should be representative of history at Goodwood. With regard to the cars however its great to see so many single seaters not covered in FIA spec roll cages.

Edited by Supersox, 15 September 2013 - 17:13.

Dear Lord March

 

Please may we have a similar live feed for the FoS next year rather than the celeb-laden pile of **** which Sky and ITV serve up ...

Vitesse,,

I tried in Germany to see the streaming..NO way: not available, either Goodwood site or Youtube..

 

Do you think that it has to do with the mailaddress ending with ".....de"

 

On the otherside Australian and US people could watch it?? Or where they on twitter?

Any explanations??

 

Instead I listened to Telegraph's Radio Goodwood, which was no problem..

 

Best regards Michael

I honestly have no idea, Michael. There were comments during the broadcast that people as far away as New Zealand were watching the YouTube stream and during the broadcast I saw comments on the site from several countries. The number watching recorded on YouTube peaked at over 3000 this afternoon: I suspect they were only counting people logged into YouTube on their account, so the real figure was probably higher.

 

Difficult to know whether you should start by asking Goodwood, YouTube or your ISP ...

Just having a break from watching the live coverage from Goodwood, does this mean I won't need to be there in future? Will save myself some money that way.

Now for a bit of a rant. Up to 1963 saloon car racing in the UK was dominated by Mk. II Jaguars, so where were they? Anthony Reid had a bit of a go in the first round yesterday but I don't think we were told what happened to him and the car wasn't out today. If these races are to be really representative then the Mk II has got be in with a chance.

 

The key is the date - 1963.  St Mary's Trophy is open to cars built up to 1965.  In 1964 the Jaguar Mk2 was outclassed by the Galaxie and Lotus Cortina.  By 1965 the Jaguar had vanished from the grids.

The key is the date - 1963.  St Mary's Trophy is open to cars built up to 1965.  In 1964 the Jaguar Mk2 was outclassed by the Galaxie and Lotus Cortina.  By 1965 the Jaguar had vanished from the grids.

Indeed, but in the early years Grant Williams was able to provide a serious embarrassment to the big Fords with a 3.4 Mk. 1. My understanding is that cars and drivers are "invited" to compete so could a serious effort not be made to reflect the fact that the Mk. II was a dominant factor up until '63? Incidentally where were the Mustangs this year?

In alternate years the 3.4 Mk. 1 should dominate, yet anachronistic "hot rod" A35's and A40's are always snapping at their heels, not to mention Zephyrs and A90's which would never have had the grunt back in the day.

Edited by RCH, 15 September 2013 - 23:05.

That was never a jump start by Jean Alesi..

 

I raised the Starter's flag technique in an earlier thread after watching so many botched starts at Goodwood. To my eye, and even in the slow-mo replay, Alesi went after the Starter flinched, it was the poor start by the Cobra which made it look questionable.

 

http://forums.autosp...the-flag-drops/

 

I thought Monsieur Alesi showed considerable restraint in not bopping the interviewer.

 

I know there is so much more to Goodwood than the actual racing but the live streaming was so fantastic I have to question in future spending $$$$$ to fly half-way around the world to stand in English rain!.

 

 

I agree, to my eye there were other starts that were more questionable than Alesi's, I guess you are always going to get problems when a man with a flag does the starting.

Regarding the live streaming, have Goodwood shot themselves in the financial foot?

Apart from the guy who kept interupting/ talking over Marcus Pye to tell us things we either could alreadty see or could have waited a moment to be told I thought the streaming was fantastic - especially when it started to rain!. This was the first year since 1998 when I have not attended in person for at least one of the days (and often all three) and Sunday's downpour must have been blowing straight into the Woodcote stand, my usual perch. And I got to watch the entire Sussex Trophy, the which I usually have to miss since by the time of it's inevitably delyed start I have already had to leave to get home before mid-night.

 

Thanks so much to Macca for pointing us at it, and to Vitesse for the pause-and-play trick to beat the buffering.

 

And of course to Goodwood for making it available.

 

It will not necessarily deter me from going in future years but I do hope that the experiment will be repeated.

Wow, Project 212 ahead of the Lister Coupe! There is a God after all!

 

RCH, any reason for this manifestation of the Divine?  Is the Lister an homologation special or something?

... I got to watch the entire Sussex Trophy, ....

 

Was it as good as last year's race?

 

I was waiting desperately to see that but I lost the link after the TT (did others experience that?) and as it was around 1:30am here I fell asleep - three very late nights is too much for this old bugger.

 

If 2014 is a sellout I think they should repeat the exercise..

Was it as good as last year's race?

 

I was waiting desperately to see that but I lost the link after the TT (did others experience that?) and as it was around 1:30am here I fell asleep - three very late nights is too much for this old bugger.

 

If 2014 is a sellout I think they should repeat the exercise..

Yes, it disappeared for me just after the bicyclists and don't think it ever returned (though others will no doubt contradict this and I shall then kick myself for not being more persistent).

RCH, any reason for this manifestation of the Divine?  Is the Lister an homologation special or something?

Well someone sent the rain, maybe the shades of Wyer and Ireland looking for revenge 50 years on? Thank you Mr. Hadfield for cheering me up after some pretty dismal news I received on Saturday.

I honestly have no idea, Michael. There were comments during the broadcast that people as far away as New Zealand were watching the YouTube stream and during the broadcast I saw comments on the site from several countries. The number watching recorded on YouTube peaked at over 3000 this afternoon: I suspect they were only counting people logged into YouTube on their account, so the real figure was probably higher.

 

Difficult to know whether you should start by asking Goodwood, YouTube or your ISP ...

Vitesse --thank you!!

 

I'm not logged in to Youtube ( so not a member) , nor twitter--maybe it was only for Youtube-logged-in-members??? I have no problem to stream ELMS,ALMS WEC and other racing without inscribing or subscribing...

 

I (try to) ask Goodwood..

 

Many thanks

We braved the mud on Saturday, which I have to say seemed less crowded than in previous years, especially the paddock. A really enjoyable day. The live feed was fantastic on Sunday, even allowing for the understandable glitches in the afternoon. Simon Hadfield's comments about only finding out where the windscreen wiper switch was on the slowing down lap summed up the spirit of the event. Congratulations Goodwood!

We braved the mud on Saturday, which I have to say seemed less crowded than in previous years, especially the paddock. A really enjoyable day. The live feed was fantastic on Sunday, even allowing for the understandable glitches in the afternoon. Simon Hadfield's comments about only finding out where the windscreen wiper switch was on the slowing down lap summed up the spirit of the event. Congratulations Goodwood!

I think it showed that someone got the aerodynamics pretty much right on DP212 that he managed without the wipers!

Yes, it disappeared for me just after the bicyclists and don't think it ever returned (though others will no doubt contradict this and I shall then kick myself for not being more persistent).

It only missed the first part of the Glover Trophy and returned for the rest of the meeting. The Sussex Trophy was good racing, enlivened by Rob Hall's charge up the field to take the lead in the Maserati 300S before he tapped Malcolm Gammons in the Devin. I got the impression that the Tour de France 'celebration' was something of a damp squib (?)

It only missed the first part of the Glover Trophy and returned for the rest of the meeting. The Sussex Trophy was good racing, enlivened by Rob Hall's charge up the field to take the lead in the Maserati 300S before he tapped Malcolm Gammons in the Devin. I got the impression that the Tour de France 'celebration' was something of a damp squib (?)

 

Oh bother - thanks, Alan.  In my defence, I'd just got home after being down there all day Sat and Sun morning.  Saw pretty much everything I wanted to (apart from the Canberra, which I missed) and did enjoy the Whitsun Trophy for the GT40s  - don't actually remember one racing there 'back in the day' but can't imagine any circuit better suited to such a one-make race.  Well, not in the UK anyway. 

Can the feed/footage still be accessed, does anyone know?

Was it as good as last year's race?

 

Amplifying Alan's answwer: yes, it was a cracking race. The dicing between the 300S and the D-type was great fun to watch, while there were other equally good dices down the field. After the 'tap', just before the Lavan kink and about four or five (?) laps to go, the Maser closed right up again on the D. At one stage it looked as if he might get past again but then was twice baulked by traffic they were lapping (or the D managed the traffic better) and could not quite make it. I loved it especially because it is to see the D-types, in particular, that I go. The winner, first time win in the Sussex Trophy for a D-type, was the so-called DK504 '55 LM winner. I say so-called because there is much debate about how much, if any, of that car is original. Dick Skipworth, he of the Ecurie Ecosse collection whom I met at an un-related dinner some years ago, assured me that certainly the door handles, at least, were original.

 

As to the Project 212 winning, Simon Hadfield di a marvellous job in the wet. The car's extra weight, longer gearing and better road-holding rendered it much less twitchy and thus more manageable than the more powerful/ lighter E-types and Lister and on t'telly you could really see how much more steady it was. A really great drive.

 

One thing you do not get on t'telly that you do when at the event, of course, is a good look at all the cars in each race: they concentrate so much on the leader and/ or the close dices (which is good, of course) that there appears no time for a nice lingering shot at, say, Woodcote or Lavant early on the see the whole field go past. So one got but a glimpse of, for example, the 300sl in the Sussex Trophy. But that is a tiny niggle. One must remember, too, that the commentary is intended primarily for those watching both the road and the Big Screen at the event.

 

Nonetheless: a huge advance.

Edited by Mal9444, 16 September 2013 - 11:06.

I don't normally enjoy one-make races but I was pleased to see a MkIV in the "GT40" race.  Have they been raced much since 1967?

A question for someone with more knowledge than I - which will be most of those here.

 

What's with the deep, almost maroon, red of the Maserati 300S that Rob Hall was driving. Was that an occasional colour for the works cars in period? Similarly, I have seen that colour used at the Revival on Lancias. Yet my recollection of seeing both in period was that they - along with the works Ferraris - were all bright pillar-box red. Indeed, it was called 'Italian Red', I seem to recall.

I don't normally enjoy one-make races but I was pleased to see a MkIV in the "GT40" race.  Have they been raced much since 1967?

 

And I'd forgotten how (relatively) pretty the Spider is. Now just needs someone to 're-create' the J Car and we'll have the full set.

The Mk IV at Goodwood was one of the 12 original chassis, J9, but was originally raced as a G7A Can-Am car - it has been rebuilt with a replica body and some replica parts like the other G7A, J10, which has raced in the USA, I think. 

 

And after the original 12 J-series chassis, there has been a series of replicas built including one of the J.

 

http://gt40photos.co.uk/page95.html

 

Paul M

The Sussex Trophy was good racing, enlivened by Rob Hall's charge up the field to take the lead in the Maserati 300S before he tapped Malcolm Gammons in the Devin.

 

ooer missus

It only missed the first part of the Glover Trophy and returned for the rest of the meeting. The Sussex Trophy was good racing, enlivened by Rob Hall's charge up the field to take the lead in the Maserati 300S before he tapped Malcolm Gammons in the Devin. I got the impression that the Tour de France 'celebration' was something of a damp squib (?)

Possibly because virtually nobody who was there really gave two hoots? It all seemed rather half-cocked and the French guy on commentary (who sounded a lot like the Comte de Frou-Frou in Blackadder) was apparently only there by accident, having been more or less plucked out of the paddock as he was chatting to one of the motorbike crowd - the name was mentioned, but I can't remember who it was. Without him, I think the commentators would have been even more at sea than they actually were - which was somewhere off Dogger Bank.

Yes,  it did. There was a nice interview with Dario in the cockpit prior to the parade, sporting his JC driving gloves (one of which he lost yesterday, but he borrowed one from Peter Windsor to wear today)

Thanks Alan, my limited glances inevitably missed quite a lot but my main raeson for trying to watch the parade was to see Andy Middlehurst take the newly restored Lotus 43 out for a few laps.    I think that this is the first event at which the completed car has been domonstrated and I'm extremely sorry to have missed it.   Havimng seen the car a couiple of times in its partially finished state - and looking truly superb - I would like to offer my congratulations to Andy and his team, and also to Hall & Hall whom , I believe, rebuilt the engine, for completeing what must surely rate as one of the most complex and painstaking restorations ever undertaken in the world of historic motorsport.  The Octane Historic Motoring Awards beckon, methinks!  The aural delights of the BRM H-16 aroud Goodwood - even at parade speeds - must surely have been something else...

Oh bother - thanks, Alan.  In my defence, I'd just got home after being down there all day Sat and Sun morning.  Saw pretty much everything I wanted to (apart from the Canberra, which I missed) and did enjoy the Whitsun Trophy for the GT40s  - don't actually remember one racing there 'back in the day' but can't imagine any circuit better suited to such a one-make race.  Well, not in the UK anyway. 

As was pointed out a few times in the commentary, the prototype GT40 did undergo some testing/development at Goodwood. However, it's only actual race appearance at the circuit was, I believe, in the 1965 Whitsun Trophy (appropriately enough) in the hands of Roy Salvadori.

Thanks, Pete - must have been out of commentary range at the time. Still tend to associate them more with Brands and the BOAC 500 (or Le Mans Test Days   ).

Graham Hill did some testing of Alan Mann's cars in early '66.

 

Couple of pics on here:

http://www.gt40.org.uk/Gallery/MkI.htm

 

Paul M

Were there no TNFers with cameras at the Revival this year?

Were there no TNFers with cameras at the Revival this year?

 

Probably all like me, Alan - sorting through far too many images and trying to decide which three or four wouldn't give TNFers a sense of deja vu (all over again). 

Edited by Odseybod, 17 September 2013 - 08:40.

GT40 guru Ronnie Spain & Jan McLaren pictured with brother Bruce & Chris Amon's Le Mans winning car

 

Edited by Giraffe, 17 September 2013 - 19:41.

great photos thanks. Every year they raise the bar - the everest scene was superb. I take clients every year and each time they are knocked out by it. They are not petrolheads but appreciate good theatre and get it in spades.... I urge any of you who have not yet seen the onboard of Kenny Brack's GT40 drive on Friday in the wet to go onto youtube and watch it as it really is impressive

Good shots Tony

After my pre-departure hand wringing, and then wringing out my attire on my return after the Sunday downpour, I took yesterday to do a spot of reflecting, particularly about next year's plans considering the possibility of live streaming again.

My observations are as follows:

For many it seemed to be a period themed Sunday shopping mall, admission sixty quid. Oh, with a spot of motor racing going on.

Credit to Lord March for his cap on numbers, as at no time did it seem overcrowded, indeed the viewing areas from Madgwick to Lavant were sparsely populated, but there again you couldn't buy a Brigadier's uniform or a fancy hat up there. I wonder why he couldn't have squeezed me in on the Saturday.

It was while viewing there I realised why I go - from the viewing bank the sight of the saloons heading into Lavant was just fantastic - topped only by the sight and sound of the TT grid heading past me shortly after Madgwick. Cobras, E-Types, 250s a plenty and Aston Martins - made the hairs on my arms stand up. As I viewed only yards away I wondered how Lord March gets away with the lack of safety fencing - the potential for a disaster certainly seems to exist.

Going for one day only is not a good idea - especially if like me you enjoy looking at the stalls (I'm taken by a lot of motoring art, particularly Nick Watts and Tim Layzell). I never made it to the paddock as I did last year - but I was on a mission then to meet Dan Gurney.

Meeting up with fellow TNFers was great - Roger Clark (my chauffeur for my return north), the Maltese Fettler Barry (driving an Astra with a Cosworth DFV in the rear), 962C Jean Christophe, Mr and Mrs Beard, not to mention my Saturday night hosts the Giraffes on Campsite W - we had fine food and a hoot - the local owl disturbing a night's sleep for one of us. Plus a thank you to Ted for looking after my overnight bag in his stand on Sunday.

I enjoyed my walk to the circuit from Chichester station despite being called "barmy" by a group of local chaps who I asked for directions.. "I wouldn't do that for a thousand quid" piped up one of them, clearly showing the north south divide. I was pleased to save the fiver bus fare, though that wasn't my motivation for doing it. Sitting on a selection of trains over a five hour period eating chocolate and crisps meant that I needed to shed a few calories, and I'd missed my daily springer spaniel walk.

Arriving at the outside circuit shops and entertainment I couldn't help delay my journey to Campsite W, and as twilight fell the funfair rides looked great, and I had a big smile as I watched the dodgems populated by laughing fifties gents in hats, and also - curiously enough - as I passed the emporium with period prams on display. The Maclaren buggy was clearly as revolutionary as some of the wheeled projectiles from its near namesake.

I was at the inaugural event in 1998 for all three days, and then inexplicably stayed away until 2009, since when I've been an ever present. It's a bit like stepping into that famous de Lorean, which I find a bit addictive. As my interest started leafing through books in my local library at the age of seven or so in 1962, Goodwood was heavily featured in the photographs, and I think that's one of the reasons I'm smitten.

They say a picture's worth a thousand words so maybe I could have saved writing all this with a couple of pics, but here's a confession - I didn't take a single one. That in itself illustrates I think how enjoyable the sights and sounds are - I don't need a photo to remind me - it's all in my head in technicolour - or maybe that should be Ilford FP3.

I expect I'll be back next year...

Rob

Edited by Kingsleyrob, 17 September 2013 - 15:13.

... the Maltese Fettler Barry (driving an Astra with a Cosworth DFV in the rear) ...

 

Does this mean what I think (and sincerely hope) it might mean?  

Does this mean what I think (and sincerely hope) it might mean?  

Watch this space Tim. 

 

"Space" being the operative word...

 

Rob

So, some of the usual suspects were there although not at Ted's on Friday!

Just a few Pics from the weekend

 

Howden Ganley & Mike MacDowel

 

Nick Leventis

 

Mustang & Spitfire in the Sky over Goodwood

 

Start of the RAC TT Race

 

The TT Race during the rain

 

and the winner is an Aston Martin

 

Please click on the Images to enlage

Much has been said about the side-shows and shennanigans that go on at the Revival in addition to the actual track action. I have mixed feelings - some things I don't mind, others do irritate me ( as much as I like the original Laurel and Hardy I don't see what relevance they have to Goodwood).

 

However, most of this goes on along either side of the start/finish straight. Take a hike out to Madgwick and beyond and there are very few rear admirals or Chilean dictators to be seen, and an uncrowded front row position is easily found. Generally the standard of entry is as high as ever and the track action just as enjoyable, even if the novelty has worn off a bit over the 15 years simply down to the menu inevitably being very similar each year. A mention should also be given to the commentary team who, thankfully, have not dumbed down their presentation and contine to address the crowd in a largely informative and knowledegable manner.                                      

Much has been said about the side-shows and shennanigans that go on at the Revival in addition to the actual track action. I have mixed feelings - some things I don't mind, others do irritate me ( as much as I like the original Laurel and Hardy I don't see what relevance they have to Goodwood).

 

However, most of this goes on along either side of the start/finish straight. Take a hike out to Madgwick and beyond and there are very few rear admirals or Chilean dictators to be seen, and an uncrowded front row position is easily found. Generally the standard of entry is as high as ever and the track action just as enjoyable, even if the novelty has worn off a bit over the 15 years simply down to the menu inevitably being very similar each year. A mention should also be given to the commentary team who, thankfully, have not dumbed down their presentation and contine to address the crowd in a largely informative and knowledegable manner.                                      

Thanks Pete. It was a shame the weather upset the flying programme quite a bit, it would have been sensational to have had the Lancaster for the Dambusters commemoration, but Lee Proudfoot in the Spitfire did us proud in horrible conditions.It was great to see the 4 ship as often as they could, and  that the Canberra came twice. I was very lucky that Mike Leckey, Friday's Canberra pilot was able to join me in the box for its Saturday display, just a pity that it clashed with blokes on bikes.

Marcus, Bruce and Henry did a great job on the cars.

Edited by cdrewett, 17 September 2013 - 15:37.

Here is our complete report, illustrated by a 370-shot gallery with all the races and parades:

 

2013 Goodwood Revival Report and Gallery

Edited by Wouter Melissen, 17 September 2013 - 16:16.

Edited by Giraffe, 17 September 2013 - 17:21.

Jackie Oliver reminisces.....

 

I can't see him there, so perhaps you'd like to revise your caption Tony?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thursday's cricket match.....
 


 
Doug's briefing

 


 

 
Derek Bell, Tony Jardine & DCN with the groundsmen.....
 


 


 
His Lordship briefs his team
 


 
Tiff seems stumped
 


 
The Umpires debate
 


 
Dario daydreams
 


 

 
Chris Drewitt does his best "Johnners" impression
 

I had a letter from the GRRC asking that the cricket match should not be publicised outside the Club!

I had a letter from the GRRC asking that the cricket match should not be publicised outside the Club!

I suspect the overwhelming temptation to say "hey - look at me" has outweighed any slight proclivity to gentlemanly behaviour, Roger.

I am not a member of the GRRC, Roger. For me membership is both costly and unnecessary.

 

The Cricket Match was to all intents & purposes, open to the public. There was no "gate" as such.....

 

 

Edited by Giraffe, 18 September 2013 - 07:50.

Were there no TNFers with cameras at the Revival this year?

Alan

 

I really only needed to take one photograph.

 

 

I haven't seen the Lotus 38 in the flesh before and it didn't disappoint. It was worth the trip just to see this wonderful car.

 

David