Goodbye forum
#151
Posted 19 February 2013 - 17:35
Nice work mods. I really like the changes.
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#152
Posted 23 February 2013 - 01:59
Thanx mods, great work
#153
Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:56
By banning all discussion about the personalities in F1, I have been excluded from the forum. And I think that this is very unfair.
I don't feel as if there is anything left for me on this forum. I miss the old place.
#154
Posted 23 February 2013 - 12:04
As has been said previously, driver discussion has not been banned. If you want to discuss a particular subject, feel free to create a thread. Driver threads have been banned though - I think Craven Morehead and RJL sum it up perfectly above.I don't like the changes. At all. I now find this forum a very depressing place to visit. There is nowhere for me to post...all the threads are about cars...cars, cars and more cars. I know nothing about cars, F1 to me is all about the people who drive them...but we can't talk about them! What is all that about?!
By banning all discussion about the personalities in F1, I have been excluded from the forum. And I think that this is very unfair.
I don't feel as if there is anything left for me on this forum. I miss the old place.
#155
Posted 23 February 2013 - 13:10
Besides, as has been pointed out here many times, what we no longer have is anywhere to post small bits of driver news or stuff like funny driver twitter pics. Just because something isn't important enough to support a whole thread, doesn't mean it is of no interest to any reader. They are of great interest to me, for one. Besides, not seeing one picture or hearing about one driver running a marathon or whatever is one thing but add them all together and the fans who follow F1 through a driver or drivers are losing out. Besides, those little bits of news and pictures used to humanise drivers I didn't know much about. I agree with Coral - now RC just all looks like cars, cars, cars.
#156
Posted 23 February 2013 - 14:53
#157
Posted 23 February 2013 - 17:00
If you use the search function you will see a thread called "Formula One drivers on Twitter". http://forums.autosp...p;#entry6125323yeah for example the bit where Nico Rosberg Challenged Lukas Podolski for twitter followers and the hilarious response... just nowhere to write that info in.... and not important enough to open a thread for
#158
Posted 23 February 2013 - 18:28
If you use the search function you will see a thread called "Formula One drivers on Twitter". http://forums.autosp...p;#entry6125323
yeah that is the problem you need to use the search function before every post you make... instead of just putting it in the driver thread... it is really getting confusing and unclear
overview gets lost a little
Edited by Sin, 23 February 2013 - 18:53.
#159
Posted 23 February 2013 - 21:56
I agree with Coral - now RC just all looks like cars, cars, cars.
Without the cars, there'd be no drivers. I think we've become spoiled in this internet day and age. Instead of being thankful that we have an excellent forum to discuss the sport we enjoy, we tend to grouse and complain when the mods have done something in the interest of the entire forum base to make it a more pleasurable experience for everyone. I am sure that there are enough driver friendly forums out there in cyber world to satisfy those that want to know every single minutae of their favorite driver.
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#160
Posted 23 February 2013 - 23:04
Without the cars, there'd be no drivers. I think we've become spoiled in this internet day and age. Instead of being thankful that we have an excellent forum to discuss the sport we enjoy, we tend to grouse and complain when the mods have done something in the interest of the entire forum base to make it a more pleasurable experience for everyone. I am sure that there are enough driver friendly forums out there in cyber world to satisfy those that want to know every single minutae of their favorite driver.
There are none...at least none that I can find. That's the problem. I have no one with whom to share my love of F1, so this place felt like a great little community. But all that has gone now, to be replaced by an endless stream of threads to which I cannot contribute. And I think that is sad. But on reading several of the comments here, it is clear that some people like the changes. So I guess I shall just have to like it or lump it. Perhaps things will improve when the new season starts...I certainly hope so.
#161
Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:53
#162
Posted 25 February 2013 - 04:08
Without the cars, there'd be no drivers. I think we've become spoiled in this internet day and age. Instead of being thankful that we have an excellent forum to discuss the sport we enjoy, we tend to grouse and complain when the mods have done something in the interest of the entire forum base to make it a more pleasurable experience for everyone. I am sure that there are enough driver friendly forums out there in cyber world to satisfy those that want to know every single minutae of their favorite driver.
But without the drivers would F1 exist in the way that it does? The two driver per team set up and the competition it sets up within a team is perhaps the very basis for the popularity and longevity of the series.
People not feeling free enough to discuss drivers on an F1 forum is bizarre.
Edited by halifaxf1fan, 25 February 2013 - 04:10.
#163
Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:41
It's pre-season, so the majority of the discussion is regarding the cars. Not that much going on/new developments on the driver front.Perhaps things will improve when the new season starts...I certainly hope so.
I suspect that's the main reason why what you are seeing is "cars, cars, cars", rather than the forum rule change. And I expect you will see more driver related stuff once the season gets underway.
#164
Posted 25 February 2013 - 13:04
But without the drivers would F1 exist in the way that it does? The two driver per team set up and the competition it sets up within a team is perhaps the very basis for the popularity and longevity of the series.
People not feeling free enough to discuss drivers on an F1 forum is bizarre.
Meanwhile, in the Racing Comments section we have a thread about drivers pets, because of course thats really relevant to all things racing.
#165
Posted 25 February 2013 - 13:27
#166
Posted 25 February 2013 - 13:45
What do you want to discuss about drivers that you feel is currently not being discussed?
The thing I liked about the driver threads was that they were "catch-all" threads where we could talk about all aspects of the drivers' lives. I would like to be able to discuss the drivers' lives outside of F1...because there is more to life than motorsport...isn't there? But instead we are limited to discussing the drivers's participation in F1 only. I know there is the invitation-only "Paddock Club" but I have no interest in that whatsoever.
#167
Posted 25 February 2013 - 14:52
But instead we are limited to discussing the drivers's participation in F1 only. I know there is the invitation-only "Paddock Club" but I have no interest in that whatsoever.
The Paddock Club
Forum for FULL MEMBERS only (those with at least 30 posts on the board). The place to talk about (almost!) any non-motorsport topic, while sipping champagne and socialising with others. To gain access you have to e-mail the Paddock bouncer Slick and beg... No private messaged requests, please.
Forum Led by: Slick
#168
Posted 25 February 2013 - 16:58
The less bleed-over from one to the other the better - for one thing, it would keep Coral happy.
#169
Posted 27 February 2013 - 22:04
Wonder how much postings to this site have declined.
We can all vote with our mouse.
Bring back Bira and others not on a power trip.
#170
Posted 27 February 2013 - 22:31
As for the postings level, I can't talk about numbers, but I'm certain the QUALITY of the submissions is greatly improved with less of the needless baiting & ground-pawing/chest thumping that derailed not just "the drivers threads", but many others as well.
It's a shame some people seem to delight in taking this thread as merely an opportunity to "discuss moderation", there's always been a way to show your disagreement with any aspect of what's gone on and resorting to blanket critcism on the forum isn't it.
#171
Posted 28 February 2013 - 03:50
#172
Posted 28 February 2013 - 08:28
A ban on driver threads simply means not having threads called "Lewis Hamilton" or "Nico Rosberg" or whatever.
Names are not discussions.
This is a discussion forum and threads like "Can Lewis Hamilton win the title this year?" or "Nico Rosberg switches to right foot braking" or whatever are discussion points.
If people want to discuss those topics they will stay high on the front page, if they don't they'll drop away.
Individual threads for individual discussions is surely what a discussion forum is all about.
For years on this forum opening a new thread was seen as a cardinal sin - now it is encouraged and it is the much better for that.
#173
Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:47
From the Bulletin Board Rules
We welcome you contacting us with feedback. However, the way the Bulletin Board is run or the actions of the moderation team are not topics to be debated in public. Any such posts will be removed.
Edit: The reason for this post is that a number of posts have been removed that have attacked certain moderation actions in RC that have nothing to do with the driver threads. We are not stopping the discussion of the driver threads.
#174
Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:53
Are people still moaning about this?
A ban on driver threads simply means not having threads called "Lewis Hamilton" or "Nico Rosberg" or whatever.
Names are not discussions.
This is a discussion forum and threads like "Can Lewis Hamilton win the title this year?" or "Nico Rosberg switches to right foot braking" or whatever are discussion points.
If people want to discuss those topics they will stay high on the front page, if they don't they'll drop away.
Individual threads for individual discussions is surely what a discussion forum is all about.
For years on this forum opening a new thread was seen as a cardinal sin - now it is encouraged and it is the much better for that.
I've often felt that those large driver's threads were the reserve of hardcore fans of those drivers and posts from outsiders were largely ignored. The only posts from outsiders which weren't ignored were troll posts.
This move has been for the better and has seen RC movement somewhat back to what we had maybe 10 years ago. Not quite the same but much better than what it was.
#175
Posted 01 March 2013 - 21:36
Bring back Bira and others not on a power trip.
What on earth do you mean? About a third of the dynamic of this place was the guessing as to where the tripwire for the trippage was.
#176
Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:20
I've often felt that those large driver's threads were the reserve of hardcore fans of those drivers and posts from outsiders were largely ignored. The only posts from outsiders which weren't ignored were troll posts.
This move has been for the better and has seen RC movement somewhat back to what we had maybe 10 years ago. Not quite the same but much better than what it was.
Unless they are banned also, there will be a proliferation of 'teammate' threads, which are about the most vitriol filled in the whole board. They always devolve into petty slanging matches between fans of each driver. At least driver threads had a fairly peaceful consensus.
#177
Posted 02 March 2013 - 13:53
#178
Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:42
Was hard to track driver debates in 2010-12, but now debates are much more concise, there is less trolling and the forum is slowly going back to what it was a couple of years ago.
Agree with Ali_G that these big driver threads were far too much of "fan club" threads and with threads discussing things like "Hamilton's move to Merc a mistake or not" and the "Valtteri Bottas - excited to see what this kid can do" threads give a clear premise on what to discuss and it is far easier to track debate that when everything was crammed into one thread with incidents that happend eight years ago that many people have moved from etc. If you want to deabte something about a driver like a drop in form, just create a thread about it. If it is a lively debate it will still be well discussed, even more in my view and if it is largely pointless it will slip down the board.
I have no issue with the car threads because here the debate is pretty clear, discussing the cars performance and possible updates, trackside observations etc. Of course any team announcements such as change of engine supply, key staff/sponsorship movements require their own thread.
Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 05 March 2013 - 02:44.
#179
Posted 10 March 2013 - 18:28
"This isn't a playground and we won't tolerate that behaviour."
Yet each and every poster who is interested in drivers -specifically it seems in discussing Lewis Hamilton - is being treated as if this is exactly what this is. Or rather that it is a playground that the whole class is being kept from playing on because a couple of kids couldn't behave. This is not an attack on an individual moderation decision, rather an illuminating moderator comment I've quoted to illustrate an ongoing trend about the overall website direction, by the way.
It is frustrating seeing a whole bunch of cumbersome rules introduced and being reassured that discussion can still take place in threads as long as all the new hoops are jumped through only to see it stopped anyway as soon as it stars a driver who attracts very strong feelings. If people are not obeying the rules, please take issue with those specific posters. And if that means punishing a whole bunch of people who have broken the rules, I for one have no problem with that. Fairer than punishing the whole board.
Edited by SophieB, 10 March 2013 - 19:03.
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#180
Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:45
#181
Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:19
As I suspected it would, a driver thread was closed after only a few hours despite the opening post being focused on a specific issue and indeed obeying all the other new rules.
That is precisely it, everything was in order to start a thread discussing a specific topic but almost immediately the poster and thread get attacked, the name calling starts and the thread goes completely off topic and stays off topic and for all intents and purposes its the Lewis Hamilton thread of last year. Had the majority of the posts been discussing the topic and only a few posts being off topic, like any other thread, it gets maintained and kept on course but there comes a point where it's no longer an option to try and maintain a thread and it gets closed.
If so many members want to discuss topics like this legitimately, why then do they engage the off topic posts and help in taking the thread to a point where it is no longer viable to maintain and it gets closed? Take a look at the last page, after your post and how many of those 20+ posts were contributing to a discussion based on the opening post?
It is not up to just the moderation team to keep the threads in order, we constantly repeat the same story, don't engage the trolls/off topic/attacks rather report it, by engaging you (members who engage) become part of the problem.
#182
Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:36
Its been a great decision IMO.
#183
Posted 11 March 2013 - 18:49
If so many members want to discuss topics like this legitimately, why then do they engage the off topic posts and help in taking the thread to a point where it is no longer viable to maintain and it gets closed? Take a look at the last page, after your post and how many of those 20+ posts were contributing to a discussion based on the opening post?
It is not up to just the moderation team to keep the threads in order, we constantly repeat the same story, don't engage the trolls/off topic/attacks rather report it, by engaging you (members who engage) become part of the problem.
Topics like what? Drivers? What team mates and former team mates think of each other? Yes, I do actually think there might be people who are interested in those things and want to talk and read about those things 'legitimately'. Frankly, it's really sad it's got to the stage where wanting to do so is now (apparently) suspicious behaviour.
And though I doubt you are literally inviting me to pick and choose which posts after mine are and are not relevant, I don't share your implied view that it's zero. What might psychologically motivate Hamilton to say what he did seemed on point even if I personally doubted the posters' conclusions. Frankly it looked more like very a small number of posters shitting up the thread to me. And who knows how many more people might have posted on point? The thread was closed within hours, after all.
I do report posts, by the way. The really egregious stuff is clear but I'd report a hell of a lot more if I knew where the line was for acceptable and unacceptable posts by means of seeing more mod responses in the threads. I don't want to be wasting people's time with what is seen in Mod HQ as a bunch of bullshit thread reports. Still, I get the distinct impression it is a deeply held principle that it all gets done in private. Fine, it's your board and I am ever mindful that it is moderated by volunteers and therefore you must do what works for you, but the policy has its consequences. One of which seems to be seeing us edging ever closer to a de facto ban on discussing (possibly) the most talked about figure in F1.
#184
Posted 11 March 2013 - 20:25
#185
Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:33
I don't know why you seem to think this is a personal attack. I made no comment about your posts nor did I imply anything about your views. I referred to the 20+ posts after your post that I linked to.Topics like what? Drivers? What team mates and former team mates think of each other? Yes, I do actually think there might be people who are interested in those things and want to talk and read about those things 'legitimately'. Frankly, it's really sad it's got to the stage where wanting to do so is now (apparently) suspicious behaviour.
And though I doubt you are literally inviting me to pick and choose which posts after mine are and are not relevant, I don't share your implied view that it's zero. What might psychologically motivate Hamilton to say what he did seemed on point even if I personally doubted the posters' conclusions. Frankly it looked more like very a small number of posters ******* up the thread to me. And who knows how many more people might have posted on point? The thread was closed within hours, after all.
I do report posts, by the way. The really egregious stuff is clear but I'd report a hell of a lot more if I knew where the line was for acceptable and unacceptable posts by means of seeing more mod responses in the threads. I don't want to be wasting people's time with what is seen in Mod HQ as a bunch of bullshit thread reports. Still, I get the distinct impression it is a deeply held principle that it all gets done in private. Fine, it's your board and I am ever mindful that it is moderated by volunteers and therefore you must do what works for you, but the policy has its consequences. One of which seems to be seeing us edging ever closer to a de facto ban on discussing (possibly) the most talked about figure in F1.
The thread has been cleaned up and returned to the forum and even being quite lenient on some of the posts that have remained, half the thread has been deleted, anything but "a small number of posters ******* up the thread"
As we have said repeatedly there isn't a ban on discussing drivers, all we ask is that the discussions get kept in individual threads that are topic specific like "Lewis Hamilton plans to build a museum" and Hamilton: "A duel with Button doesn't excite me"
#186
Posted 24 March 2013 - 21:18
Agree. Bring back driver threads and ban the trolls.I do think it's a bit backward, keep the threads open but be more liberal with banning the idiots. One warning then out, people will soon figure out the standard required.
#187
Posted 24 March 2013 - 21:49
#188
Posted 24 March 2013 - 22:27
#189
Posted 27 March 2013 - 08:32
Currently 8 threads on page 1 in which the same thing is being discussed.
Just a thought about moderation under the new rules without driver threads: you might want to consider limiting the number of closely related topics allowed in the RC section.
Edited by Jovanotti, 27 March 2013 - 08:33.