New team radio in 2012 season review shows Vettel penalty protests

http://www.f1fanatic...nalty-protests/

Protests in Spain and Italy

reading the article made by Vettel over the team radio

Edited by bourbon, 05 January 2013 - 21:39.

Interesting, I suppose.

I don't really like this thing of drivers using team radio to try and earn penalties for each other. It reminds me of in football where they play act or whinge at the ref to try and get another player carded. I don't like it.

So like every other racing driver.

Indeed.

And these radio messages show Vettel, despite all his great qualities, again like an angry cry-baby when things don't go his way.

Edited by H2H, 05 January 2013 - 22:00.

So like every other racing driver.

Rocky and Seb crack me up. I wish we could get more radio - for all the drivers actually. I'm sure they all get a good laugh about these little flare ups as well at season's end.

As for what Button did - I agree. I don't like all the attempts to dole out penalties by drivers via the radio. But I already complained about that in a thread about it at the time and on the whole, Button is a cool dude and a fair sort, so one can imagine he'll take a long hard look at his behavior in this regard and perhaps modify it. Others won't, so sadly, we will probably have more of the win - by - penalty attempts in the future. It really ruins a race.

I may be accused of bias because this was Vettel, but when it was happening to Hamilton (not a favored driver by any stretch), I felt the same way. It is bogus for fans because most of the stuff is either the result of a small infraction or a race incident. When carried out to the end of the race and we must wait 3 hours (sometimes longer) for the "actual" race result, it is a mockery. Something has to be done about that.

Edited by jjcale, 05 January 2013 - 22:03.

Interesting, I suppose.

I don't really like this thing of drivers using team radio to try and earn penalties for each other. It reminds me of in football where they play act or whinge at the ref to try and get another player carded. I don't like it.

Edited by prty, 05 January 2013 - 22:13.

So like every other racing driver.

This.

A racing driver getting upset/complaining on the radio? Never!

The bit i find ironic is that Kimi gets praised for getting arsey on the radio but Seb gets called a "cry baby".

I don't think theres anything wrong with what vettel did, i actually think its great to see someone so pattionate about his driving.
Also i dont think theres much wrong with telling charlie when you see someone breaking the rules, it is a competition and if you believe some one is getting an unfair advantage you will stop them.

So like every other racing driver.

This.

A racing driver getting upset/complaining on the radio? Never!

The bit i find ironic is that Kimi gets praised for getting arsey on the radio but Seb gets called a "cry baby".

You got it the wrong way around. Button or Alonso are doing in this case the 'play acting' and 'whinge at the ref' do get another player booked. Vettel does the 'what me?', 'I didn't do anything' defense to avoid the card...

Personally I dislike the former behavior vastly more, but maybe because I played CB.;)

Note that this has become pretty much standard. Everybody seems to do it, but some seem to shout 'talk to Charlie' a bit more...

But I already complained about that in a thread about it at the time and on the whole, Button is a cool dude and a fair sort, so one can imagine he'll take a long hard look at his behavior in this regard and perhaps modify it. Others won't, so sadly, we will probably have more of the win - by - penalty attempts in the future. It really ruins a race.

This is up there with Damon thinking his kid is quick.

Its amazing how much a pass JB gets on stuff like this for being "a cool dude" .... he's 33 years old... this is who he is... he aint gonna "take a long hard look at his behavior in this regard and perhaps modify it".

That said, I would probably do the same as he did

Its amazing how much a pass JB gets on stuff like this for being "a cool dude" .... he's 33 years old... this is who he is... he aint gonna "take a long hard look at his behavior in this regard and perhaps modify it".

That said, I would probably do the same as he did

The difference is simple; Kimi hasn't put other fans backs up by beating their heroes for the last three years. Is Vettel sometimes a tit on the radio? Absolutely. But he's far from alone.

Maybe JB has changed his behaviour - it's only in the last few years that we've heard him complaining about other drivers and trying to get them penalised. Probably because other drivers have been doing it to him.

As for what Button did - I agree. I don't like all the attempts to dole out penalties by drivers via the radio. But I already complained about that in a thread about it at the time and on the whole, Button is a cool dude and a fair sort, so one can imagine he'll take a long hard look at his behavior in this regard and perhaps modify it. Others won't, so sadly, we will probably have more of the win - by - penalty attempts in the future. It really ruins a race.

Edited by SpaMaster, 06 January 2013 - 08:18.

You got it the wrong way around. Button or Alonso are doing in this case the 'play acting' and 'whinge at the ref' do get another player booked. Vettel does the 'what me?', 'I didn't do anything' defense to avoid the card...

Personally I dislike the former behavior vastly more, but maybe because I played CB.;)

Note that this has become pretty much standard. Everybody seems to do it, but some seem to shout 'talk to Charlie' a bit more...

Vettel's penalty in Monza is completely irrelevant as he had a DNF later in the race

Vettel's penalty in Monza is completely irrelevant as he had a DNF later in the race

Edited by Muppetmad, 06 January 2013 - 09:37.

umm no. Just..no.

Vettel has boxed himself in a bit of a corner though with his statements that he would not complain over the radio, or something to that tune. Since all drivers do, he may as well too, but now the only outcome for him is to say nothing and be at a disadvantage or to complain and be heavily criticised for being a hypocrite. He should have not commented this to the media really, for his own sake.

Edited by Baddoer, 06 January 2013 - 18:00.

umm no. Just..no.

Vettel has boxed himself in a bit of a corner though with his statements that he would not complain over the radio, or something to that tune. Since all drivers do, he may as well too, but now the only outcome for him is to say nothing and be at a disadvantage or to complain and be heavily criticised for being a hypocrite. He should have not commented this to the media really, for his own sake.

he said he was against so many complaints to Charlie by drivers for what amounted to racing incidents and that is the behavior he was going to curtail and he did.

How many times have drivers complained to Charlie about racing incidents? I can't recall any.

Edited by encircled, 06 January 2013 - 20:20.

Webber-Maldonado Abu Dhabi and Massa-Webber Abu Dhabi IIRC.

OT: I'm looking for Webber's radio after the WEB-MAL incident but I saw this one instead.

Can't find the Webber radio snippet, but if I'm not mistaken, he said "Did you see that?" or something to that effect.

That wasn't to Charlie though, it was just a general moan to Smedley.