Perez says Rosberg faster than Vettel

Yeah context...you missed it. You said, quali-results couldn´t swing so extreme without "strategy" being involved - and that´s just nonsense.

Flip-of-a-coin results can always swing one way or another.
Three years consecutive beatings are a whole different context. Don't play dumb.

Edited by LiJu914, 17 January 2013 - 16:07.

I for one am expecting Rosberg to outqualify Hamilton plenty this year.

Edited by LiJu914, 17 January 2013 - 16:24.

It's obvious that Vettel gets no respect from his fellow drivers.

Watching some kid come along and win everything must suck. Perhaps they realize they can't beat him on the track, and are hoping they can beat him with mind games. So far that hasn't proven to be the case.

My prediction: If Vettel wins the next 2 WDCs, someone from a F1 team will say Bruno Senna is faster than Vettel. This will be a hotly debated topic.

This argument might work for FA - but Perez has been in F1 for only two years and his career on a steep upward trajectory .... what is his reason for being jealous of SV??

Watching some kid come along and win everything must suck. Perhaps they realize they can't beat him on the track, and are hoping they can beat him with mind games. So far that hasn't proven to be the case.

My prediction: If Vettel wins the next 2 WDCs, someone from a F1 team will say Bruno Senna is faster than Vettel. This will be a hotly debated topic.

Edited by PoleMan, 17 January 2013 - 16:56.

Well it can't be much fun getting crushed race after race, year after year. Bound to cause a bit of resentment.

What about the team principals? Are they acting like jealous girlfriend's, too, by NOT rating the WDC-winning driver "The Best" in 2 out of his 3 championship seasons, or are they just calling it as they see it?

I think it's statements like Perez' and the views of most of the pit lane, that drive Marko CRAZY...leaving him all upset and frothing at the mouth. Vettel's forum-warriors seem to suffer from this, too.

Vettel has EARNED HIS TITLES, no doubt, but he seems NOT to have earned the respect of his peers.

Edited by H2H, 17 January 2013 - 17:34.

Cant wait for Vettel I mean Marko's reponse

Edited by SunnyENTP, 17 January 2013 - 17:43.

What about the team principals? Are they acting like jealous girlfriend's, too, by NOT rating the WDC-winning driver "The Best" in 2 out of his 3 championship seasons, or are they just calling it as they see it?

I think it's statements like Perez' and the views of most of the pit lane, that drive Marko CRAZY...leaving him all upset and frothing at the mouth.

Edited by Winter98, 17 January 2013 - 18:10.

No, Lewis is.

You have clearly not understood that they rated Vettel the best in last five years, basically in all those years in which they have been asked to state their opinion. But in the end even that counts little compared to the 3 WDCs...

And to be honest I have a hard time to give the words of an inexperienced potential contender of the defending WDC any merit. Maybe he picked up something on the Latin side of F1, given that De la Rosa, Algesuari & Co voiced their opinion quite often of a certain other Latin driver...

Edited by PoleMan, 17 January 2013 - 18:26.

Edited by H2H, 17 January 2013 - 18:30.

... he can soothe his pain by gazing at his trifecta of WDC trophies, but it seems he'll have to wait a bit longer for respect from his peers.;)

Edited by Winter98, 17 January 2013 - 18:42.

But to come back to Perez. As I said before and say again: I do not value much the words of the potential direct competitor.

Just wondering, would you still not value his words if he said Vettel was faster?

Edited by Winter98, 17 January 2013 - 18:48.

Based on anything else other than rumours on the internet?

Edited by PoleMan, 17 January 2013 - 19:15.

You have clearly not understood that they rated Vettel the best in last five years, basically in all those years in which they have been asked to state their opinion. But in the end even that counts little compared to the 3 WDCs...

And to be honest I have a hard time to give the words of an inexperienced potential contender of the defending WDC any merit. Maybe he picked up something on the Latin side of F1, given that De la Rosa, Algesuari & Co voiced their opinion quite often of a certain other Latin driver...

An opinion is just that.

By the way. No. of WDCs do not automatically warrant fastest driver status. Just look at Michael Schumacher.

Edited by Winter98, 17 January 2013 - 19:24.

Cant wait for Vettel I mean Marko's reponse

By the way. No. of WDCs do not automatically warrant fastest driver status. Just look at Michael Schumacher.

An opinion is just that.

By the way. No. of WDCs do not automatically warrant fastest driver status. Just look at Michael Schumacher.

Not his fault he's driven the MOST DOMINANT F1 car during that period. I'd be burned up as well, with people giving more credit to the car than my driving.

Edited by Winter98, 17 January 2013 - 19:30.

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What makes Perez say such things, isn't Sebastian regarded as the fastest of this generation?

It's obvious that Vettel gets no respect from his fellow drivers.

I'm a bit surprised by what Perez has said, and I'm even a Rosberg fan.

Still, it would be downright silly for any of us to doubt his words. Perez interacts with this guy on the track. What do we do? Watch them on TV. Big difference, so I'll listen to Perez.

Edited by BackOnTop, 17 January 2013 - 20:14.

And the reason for that is that all the F1 fraternity that are unbiased regard Lewis Hamilton or should I say know that Lewis is the fastest on the grid. Of course everyone knows its not just about the driver you have to have the best designer the best team generally and even manufacturing standards with also driver management. Decisions have to be made and actions have to be taken outside of the drivers control because it is a team sport.
Lewis Hamilton is the fastest driver there has been in F1 since Michael Schumacher no-one else is at that level but there are many team leading drivers with better backroom staff enabling people such as Alonso and Vettel to win titles instead of Hamilton.
I hope that finishes all the debates on who is the fastest. All the experts already know the answer its just trying to persuade the lesser mortals who have other agenda based on their personal bias.
circumstances are far too powerful to ever be able to work out a magic formula that says who's gonna win the titles.

What? You doubting what your eyes see on TV because a newcomer thinks he's suddenly become big enough to judge Vettel & German drivers. What makes him an expert on Germans in the first place lol.

And the reason for that is that all the F1 fraternity that are unbiased regard Lewis Hamilton or should I say know that Lewis is the fastest on the grid. Of course everyone knows its not just about the driver you have to have the best designer the best team generally and even manufacturing standards with also driver management. Decisions have to be made and actions have to be taken outside of the drivers control because it is a team sport.
Lewis Hamilton is the fastest driver there has been in F1 since Michael Schumacher no-one else is at that level but there are many team leading drivers with better backroom staff enabling people such as Alonso and Vettel to win titles instead of Hamilton.
I hope that finishes all the debates on who is the fastest. All the experts already know the answer its just trying to persuade the lesser mortals who have other agenda based on their personal bias.
circumstances are far too powerful to ever be able to work out a magic formula that says who's gonna win the titles.

Just few days in a top team and already playing mind games. He is learning pretty fast

So when Schumi does it for 5 years (TP, Designer, Bridgestone et al), he's was the fastest... But same doesn't apply to Vettel. Hypocrisy at it's best.

"Raikkonen is one of the fastest man on the planet"- Martin Whitmarsh, post Hangary 2012.

Fastest this & Fastest that is never stagnant in F1 & in fact varies from Race to Race instead of season to season as some want us to believe. The fastest driver in Australia might get humbled in Abu Dhabi...

So when Schumi does it for 5 years (TP, Designer, Bridgestone et al), he's was the fastest... But same doesn't apply to Vettel. Hypocrisy at it's best.

Edited by LiJu914, 17 January 2013 - 21:11.

It is easy to see that Perez has high hopes for next season and is taking aim at the expected main contender.

But this approach from Perez (and Alonso) is puzzling to me as it will only lead to Vettel being even more determined and become a bigger threat to repeat and take a 4th wdc. The better way has always been imo to praise the champion, tell them what they want to hear in the hopes that they will become complacent. And then if you end up on top you have beaten the top driver which only makes you look better.

Edited by fabr68, 17 January 2013 - 21:43.

Cant wait for Vettel I mean Marko's reponse

Nope, it just wasn´t the same. Schumacher was already 3xWDC before he got a dominant car under his buttocks for the first time.

Edited by Mauseri, 17 January 2013 - 23:00.

Just few days in a top team and already playing mind games. He is learning pretty fast

Edited by rijole1, 17 January 2013 - 23:07.