Race Retro 2013
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:24
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#2
Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:34
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:42
#4
Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:51
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:52
#6
Posted 30 January 2013 - 13:06
Stand P29 again, Ted? Very convenient for the bar.For anyone wanting a meeting spot, my stand is available in the usual place
Here are some interesting stats from the Race Retro site:
1 in 5 of visitor households has more than 6 cars.
93% of visitors are male. 77% are aged between 35 and 64.
55% of visitors are in senior positions or management level jobs.
The show is rated 4.2 out of 5 by visitors, one of the highest ratings in the UK.
96% of visitors spent half a day or more at the show. Those spending a full day rated it at 4.4.
#7
Posted 30 January 2013 - 13:11
1 in 5 of visitor households has more than 6 cars.
93% of visitors are male.
77% are aged between 35 and 64.
55% of visitors are in senior positions or management level jobs.
The show is rated 4.2 out of 5 by visitors, one of the highest ratings in the UK.
96% of visitors spent half a day or more at the show.
Those spending a full day rated it at 4.4.
I score on 6 out of 7 of these just need 6 more cars
#8
Posted 30 January 2013 - 14:45
#9
Posted 30 January 2013 - 22:07
#10
Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:24
#11
Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:04
Dad went last year and wasn't impressed - has the Retro been scaled up again this year?
Not knowing what he was expecting it's hard to comment but it always seems broadly the same size to me. I cannot remember one that wasn't excellent.
#12
Posted 31 January 2013 - 13:50
Not knowing what he was expecting it's hard to comment but it always seems broadly the same size to me. I cannot remember one that wasn't excellent.
Dad and I had been regular attenders for several years (I was working last time).
He said that there was no outside rally stage, fewer stands and less to look at. I think he may have mentioned a car parking charge as well.
#13
Posted 31 January 2013 - 14:35
Dad and I had been regular attenders for several years (I was working last time).
He said that there was no outside rally stage, fewer stands and less to look at. I think he may have mentioned a car parking charge as well.
Maybe went on the Friday, the only day the Live Rally Stage ISN'T operating?
#14
Posted 31 January 2013 - 14:49
Maybe went on the Friday, the only day the Live Rally Stage ISN'T operating?
No, he would have been at work.
Dad is a bit deaf and not always very observant - I'm wondering whether he was in the wrong halls or something now.
#15
Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:37
No, he would have been at work.
Dad is a bit deaf and not always very observant - I'm wondering whether he was in the wrong halls or something now.
The Live Rally Stage is (not surprisingly) outside and about a 5 minute walk from the indoor show - and usually with little if any signposting to it, so easy to miss if you don't know it's happening!
#16
Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:46
I'm a bit worried about him now. I think he might have been at the wrong event.
#17
Posted 01 February 2013 - 14:45
I'm a bit worried about him now. I think he might have been at the wrong event.
Easily done, and not a reflection on your father. My experiences of the signposting to the event are that they would almost prefer it if you didn't attend. No signs at all would be preferable to the positively misleading signs that they do put up.
Before last year I hadn't been since 2009, but for what it's worth it did seem smaller to me than how I had remembered it - although coming so soon after the Autosport NEC show I guess anything would seem smaller in comparison.
#18
Posted 01 February 2013 - 15:25
We are there on Friday - you get a better class of folk that day!
#19
Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:36
http://www.raceretro...tID=@0000000080
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#20
Posted 16 February 2013 - 23:12
Dad may go - I will remind him to actually go and look for the rally stage this time.
Dad - if you are reading this, I'm not being horrible, I just care.
(I don't think Dad has got his head round forums yet, but it may only be a matter of time.)
Edited by LotusElise, 16 February 2013 - 23:12.
#21
Posted 17 February 2013 - 00:52
#22
Posted 17 February 2013 - 15:40
Also from the press release:
The Chapman Family have made available the Colin Chapman type 25 general arrangement drawing, which will be its first public display in the UK, and the Jim Clark Room will also be represented with a display of memorabilia relating to the late racing driver. On Friday afternoon at 12.45 on the interview stage, a lady who owns a set of Jim Clark overalls is donating them to Classic Team Lotus while Amalgam Fine Model Cars will be unveiling their 1:8 scale Lotus type 49B on the Classic Team Lotus stand in Hall 2 as well.
#23
Posted 18 February 2013 - 21:19
I see that TNF's very own Simon Lewis will be featuring a collection of David Blanch's Tasman Series photographs
http://www.raceretro...tID=@0000000080
I certainly am Alan (thanks for the plug) and there are some real crackers!
As ever all welcome to call by and have a look - I'm in HALL 3 , stand P15.
The current range is viewable online here
#24
Posted 20 February 2013 - 14:06
#25
Posted 20 February 2013 - 20:04
The ex Betty Haig HRG 1500 will be displayed on the HSCC stand.
Betty Haig had her own subtly modified body built for the car.
More windscreen rake and rounded wings in place of the usual square riggers
She used the car in the 1950 Alpine Rally, the Maloja Hillclimb and later raced it at Goodwood.
Betty Haig is a founder member of the HSCC and I thought it would be of interest
Rudolf
#26
Posted 22 February 2013 - 19:24
The burger bars were popular.......however outside
PAR
Edited by Phil Rainford, 22 February 2013 - 21:40.
#27
Posted 23 February 2013 - 08:53
The burger bars were popular.......however outside
The dearth of equine competitors is probably down to the preparations for Master Chef!
#28
Posted 23 February 2013 - 10:43
As mentioned above, Rudolf Ernst's ex-Betty Haig HRG looking immaculate
The ex-Harry Zweifel Lotus 19 undergoing restoration, on Crosthwaite and Gardiner's stand
The White steam car 'Whistling Billy' recreated by Robert Dyke
Edited by Alan Cox, 23 February 2013 - 12:18.
#29
Posted 23 February 2013 - 11:46
Clive Chapman receives Jim Clark's overalls.
#30
Posted 23 February 2013 - 13:24
I don't understand this, am I missing something?Clive Chapman receives Jim Clark's overalls.
#31
Posted 23 February 2013 - 14:44
Ok if was crowded but we crossed several empty car parking areas. It was not a crowded in the halls either.
There was quite a lot to see and some interesting 'Trade' stands' but not worth the entry price.
The Auto-Jumble area was poorly lit and very cold although there was a lot there. I shold imaging the stall holders would be pleased to get away home!
I saw something I thought a bit over priced and asked the stall holder if he would be interested in an offer (a question with no price offered) and all I got was a grumpy NO from the bloke all wrapped up and sat on his bum. It seems to be a disease these days they would rather take the stuff home than sell it,why?
The two pals I was with were of the same opinion so the bottom line is we will not go again, sorry to be so negative but someone needs to try harder if these shows are to go on.
Gary
#32
Posted 23 February 2013 - 15:04
I don't understand this, am I missing something?
The lady in question is Val Le May Neville-Parry, widow of Chris Parry, who was Firestone Competitions Manager in the Sixties. The overalls were give to Chris by Jim Clark in period, and she has now given them to Classic Team Lotus for safekeeping.
#33
Posted 23 February 2013 - 16:14
Would it not have been just as appropriate if not more so, if they were in Duns?The lady in question is Val Le May Neville-Parry, widow of Chris Parry, who was Firestone Competitions Manager in the Sixties. The overalls were give to Chris by Jim Clark in period, and she has now given them to Classic Team Lotus for safekeeping.
#34
Posted 23 February 2013 - 16:30
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Edited by bill p, 23 February 2013 - 17:02.
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Posted 23 February 2013 - 16:45
#36
Posted 23 February 2013 - 17:18
I tend to agree, Gary; direction signs seem to ba a lost art to the Race Retro organisers, both inside and outside the venue. A friend of mine sought to park in the disabled car park (with the appropriate disabled badge) and followed the one sign to the disabled car park - and then nothing. There were loads of cars just parked park here, there and everywhere near to the halls with no clear signage, and no stewards, either.We had to park a good 15mins walk away from the Halls and there was no directions so we followed other people who were equally 'lost'.
#37
Posted 23 February 2013 - 18:30
I tend to agree, Gary; direction signs seem to ba a lost art to the Race Retro organisers, both inside and outside the venue. A friend of mine sought to park in the disabled car park (with the appropriate disabled badge) and followed the one sign to the disabled car park - and then nothing. There were loads of cars just parked park here, there and everywhere near to the halls with no clear signage, and no stewards, either.
The website clearly says that access to the disabled car park is via the main gate, which despite me calling up the organisers to inform them of this error LAST YEAR, failed to amend the site (so I called them up and drew their attention to it again this year!)
I had no problem finding the disabled car park at 9.40am this year as I was directed to it verbally with clarity, and there was a large sign at the entrance to it with a truck full of mobility scooters opposite. I was however quite surprised to find said car park fairly full at that time, many of the vehicles therein not displaying disabled badges.... Last year, it was well policed, although it was in a different location.
Edited by Giraffe, 23 February 2013 - 18:47.
#38
Posted 23 February 2013 - 20:23
#39
Posted 23 February 2013 - 22:31
But getting out? No signs, cars triple parked, no security or people watching to check car parking had been done correctly. I had a tighter squeeze to get out of where I was parked then Mansell did in getting out of the 1995 McLaren.
The only other gripe was the marshal on Hall 2. Acted like a bodyguard for the Queen and very bolshy. So I just went in the unsecurity-manned Hall 1 and walked through to Hall 2 that way.
The event itself was, as it always is, a delight. I just regret I didn't discover it until 2012. A mass of photos for WATN and a nice chat to Tim Parnell, plus the delights of hearing Norman Dewis again. It was good to see Roger Clark and Adam Ferrington again after a absence of at least a year, plus meet Twinny for the first time, as well as the usual faces - Tony, Tim, Allen etc, as well as meeting Alan Drysdale for the first time, a very helpful and friendly chap.
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#40
Posted 24 February 2013 - 00:35
Visted Race Retro show on Friday and was a bit disapointed. First of all the price £25 was too expensive (advance booking was £20 plus wait for it £3 booking fee!!) We had to park a good 15mins walk away from the Halls and there was no directions so we followed other people who were equally 'lost'.
Ok if was crowded but we crossed several empty car parking areas. It was not a crowded in the halls either.
There was quite a lot to see and some interesting 'Trade' stands' but not worth the entry price.
The Auto-Jumble area was poorly lit and very cold although there was a lot there. I shold imaging the stall holders would be pleased to get away home!
I saw something I thought a bit over priced and asked the stall holder if he would be interested in an offer (a question with no price offered) and all I got was a grumpy NO from the bloke all wrapped up and sat on his bum. It seems to be a disease these days they would rather take the stuff home than sell it,why?
The two pals I was with were of the same opinion so the bottom line is we will not go again, sorry to be so negative but someone needs to try harder if these shows are to go on.
Gary
So Stoneleigh has lived up to its reputation yet again. I'm sure Race Retro is a great show they just need somewhere (anywhere) else to put it. I had a trade stand at the first 2 shows (under a different name then) and the complaints seem just the same now as then. Biggest problem though is that it is so cold. It seemed back then as though if you were in Hall 1 nothing was too good for you, anywhere else nobody really cared.
As for the grumpy guy and the offer, it can get incredibly frustrating when a succession of punters make desultory offers on valuable items, particularly if it is along the lines of "I'll give you a fiver for that mate, you'll be glad to see the back of it". I'm sure your approach was not at all like that but it is amazing how often potential buyers miss out on a bargain by their attitude.
Edited by RCH, 24 February 2013 - 00:37.
#41
Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:35
I think that arriving at a reasonably early hour is part of the secret at RR. This year's show - considering there's a recession - was as good as previous years although (as elsewhere) the number of booksellers is declining. Still, bought some stuff and met just about everyone I see at racetracks inside.
Well worth a visit.
Nick
#42
Posted 24 February 2013 - 09:02
The highlight for me was 'Whistling Billy', the White steam car racer as seen in Alan Cox's photos above. The very friendly and enthusiastic owner was more than happy to talk about all aspects of the car and how he recreated it.
#43
Posted 24 February 2013 - 10:49
Also the organisers said that we need to drive on the B4115 road, not the B4113 to the show. Is that true?
#44
Posted 24 February 2013 - 15:59
Even more frustrating is that on the stand was a personal friend of mine from North Wales and now here, where he is a prominent member of the organisation of the Mdina event as well as being Chief Scrutineer for the Island Car Club.
His presence was missed at today's hill climb event.
#45
Posted 24 February 2013 - 16:28
Nothing listed in the show guide under Malta/Maltese/Mdina/Valetta GP...actually had a stand there somewhere. Did anyone notice it?
#46
Posted 24 February 2013 - 16:35
Shades of Peter Ustinov...................Nothing listed in the show guide under Malta/Maltese/Mdina/Valetta GP
#47
Posted 24 February 2013 - 19:12
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#49
Posted 24 February 2013 - 23:32
Had a lovely chat with Tony Wilson-Spratt and Paul Woolmer on the WSM stand, a very nice 10 minute chat with Barrie Williams, waved to Murray Walker, bought a new hlemet and gloves (which should keep me MSA legal for the next few years), bought a few more magazines which were needed for my collection. And generally ogled at loads of cars which I would love to drive, but never will. Three of the four halls were nice and warm, although the fourth for the poor autojumblers was absolutely freezing.
No complaints from me (though I have to admit that I didn't have to pay for a ticket).
#50
Posted 25 February 2013 - 13:56