Elfin type 600, 600 B, C, D & E

It wasn't the opening meeting (January 9) as Ramsay was a runaway winner in a 600 fitted with a TC4V (according to the report...??), Dean Clough being second and Jim Thompson third in a 600FF ahead of Ian Richards' Viper F3

Of note is the fact that the day finished with Ramsay owning the lap record, that would be the only time a 600 has had an outright lap record, wouldn't it? Or did Cooper get it at Mallala with the Repco V8?

Malcolm would have been driving Granton Harrison's 600C (s/n 6908) in what I suspect was his last outing in the car he had been driving for Granton since 1970 mostly with a Repco V8 engine. As with many other 600s 6908 has had a variety of engines fitted starting life with a 2.5 litre Repco V8 before acquiring the Waggott and then, when Roger Harrison started driving it, I think it had pushrod Ford for a while as featured in some of Kym's recent postings. Roger ultimately refitted the Repco engine which grew to 4.4 litres when he started running on the hills. In that form he used it to win the Australian Hillclimb Championship at Mount Cotton in 1983 and I think he was runner up at Huntley the following year again in 6908. Roger then went on to win a further two AHCC titles in more modern machinery.

Garry Campbell also had a Waggott fitted to 7122 at one stage and, as previously noted here, the Glynn Scott car (7016) had a TC4V from day one.

6908 has now been superbly restored to its 2.5 litre Repco powered form and is in the hands of Ian Ross in Sydney. It still appears occasionally at historic meetings but Ian has such an extensive collection of desireable machinery to choose from that the 600C does not see a lot of use these days.

Edited by Lee Nicolle, 20 March 2013 - 05:59.

you answered the question I was about to pose. Was the Harrison 600 the same car as used by Roger at the hills.
I believe though that Repco ended up just over 5 litres. Then went in Alfies x Formula Mundane Tiga. Which then was no longer mundane as I can attest to watching it.

Edited by SJ Lambert, 07 August 2013 - 05:01.

The 600E that Henk Woelders raced ...question.
Was it on fuel injection and if so make?

 

 

 

Henk Woelders and many other ANF2 drivers at that time ran the Globe-Lucas petrol injection system. 

 

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Hullo all, having just stumbled on this excellent forum while googling something else and seeing the discussion of the tragic lakeside meeting, I thought I would post a couple of photos that I took on the day. The first showing Ivan and Glyn during the early laps coming out of the Karousel.

 This one of Glyn taken on his last lap, is out of focus but shows clearly that he had lost his goggles, had dropped back a bit and was going hard to catch up.

Cheers Dick Simpson

Is his helmet undone or what?

Something looks wrong there...

Hullo Lynton, may I ask, what it is about the photo that you find so hard to "take in".

Simmo

Hullo Lynton, may I ask, what it is about the photo that you find so hard to "take in".

Simmo

The photo may be the last one taken of someone doing what they love to do, before they die doing it.

He's driving with his helmet lifting in the wind stream & in sun glasses, with his goggles gone,

& still bouncing wheels on the edge of the road in his efforts to keep up....unaware of what awaits him so soon.

Personally, I find that hard to take in.

Must say you put that into words much better than I could. He was one of my favourite drivers, always neat yet fast, in immaculate cars. We could not see the accident from where we were, just a cloud of dust and we didn`t know how serious it was till we heard the news on the car radio when we were well into our 12 hour drive home. I don`t know if it is relevent but on the Saturday practice standing in the same place we were playing "hand ball"swatting large grasshoppers and talking to one of the locals mentioned how bad they were - he said ÿou should have been here last week, we had a plague. I always wondered if he met one of those brutes without goggles on the straight.

Simmo.

Not everyone agreed that Scotty was 'always neat but fast'...

I recall one front-line journalist who was present at the Rocky Tresise crash who many times blamed Glynn for that incident. And it's also true that his cars got slower as they got older.

The reason for this, as explained by another top driver who didn't compete against him, but was often in the same races, was that Scotty tended to take shortcuts in maintenance. Things like squashing the rod ends in a vyce to give them further life would tend to lead to the situation that a car would lose its competitive edge over time.

And that was how it was with him, he was fast when he got a new car, then lost pace as the car aged.

Hmm, another long held illusion shattered. I seem to have learned more in the couple of days browsing this forum than in all the years standing in the spectator areas at the Farm or Oran or Catalina Parks or the Mountain.

Thanks Ray, Simmo

Well...

Don't take my word for everything. But it is true that the Scott cars that I saw, from the 27 through to the Bowin, tended to get slower as time went on. Glynn did a lot of racing and the need to be careful with money was bound to come up, so it was no surprise to me when I was told this.

The comment about Longford I can't verify. The person who told me this is long since deceased and had some seriously fixed ideas about things and would stick to those ideas right or wrong.

I talked to Norm at the Farm meeting before that Lakeside. I think I might have mentioned this previously in this thread, he had not been home in something like six weeks leading up to that event and was looking forward to being home for the Lakeside races. But that doesn't in the slightest explain the visor issue.

I know this probably belongs in another thread, but sadly Coral Scott has passed away - widow of Glyn Scott.

Certainly it should be recorded elsewhere...

However, at this point in this thread it also belongs here. 

Coral didn't simply stop turning out at race meetings on Glynn's death, she was always at Lakeside and helping out in the VIP room with others of similar stature. Of course, Gary went racing later too, so being there to see their son race would have mattered, but her place in the establishment was very firm. 

Please accept my condolences on your recent loss Ray - taken too soon.

I have in the past puzzled over the spelling of Glyn, but the family confirmed via the death notice last week that there is only one "n". Other sources have original documents signed by Glyn with only one "n". Motorsport Memorial have done quite a bit of research to clear up the spelling.

How could I do that, how lazy am I?

All I had to do every time I questioned the spelling in my mind was get out the Spetember 1970 issue of RCN. But I didn't do it. My apologies, it is indeed 'Glyn'.

Considering what life has thrown all of us lately, and particularly yourself, it's easy to understand - don't worry about it.

Do detailed drawings of the Elfin 600 exist or has anyone ever bothered to measure one up? My guess is there would have been drawings and chassis jigs to build the cars in the first instance, but what about today? If you had a major hit in one and damaged the chassis where would go for dimensions etc? 

Edited by SJ Lambert, 31 January 2014 - 12:19.

There were good drawings in RCN back about 1971...

I'm sure that kind of stuff would have survived. 

If not, just hijack Streak's car and measure it up.

Do detailed drawings of the Elfin 600 exist or has anyone ever bothered to measure one up? My guess is there would have been drawings and chassis jigs to build the cars in the first instance, but what about today? If you had a major hit in one and damaged the chassis where would go for dimensions etc? 

I have never seen any detailed engineering drawings of the 600 although, as Ray Bell says there have been good sketch drawings in period magazines such as RCN and Autosportsman.  Bill Hemming has inherited the full surviving range of Elfin patterns and makes them available when needed.  If there are any surviving engineering drawings they would also be in Bill's hands. 

Dave Mawer and Elwyn Bickley (probably other people as well) have made up jigs for various suspension components as needed over the years and the ability to make dimensional checks against other cars is also useful when repairs are required.  As there were 44 cars cars built in all it hardly seems likely that we would never be able to find a straight, original car to use as a reference point!!

I don't know of a chassis frame jig but the 600 frame is very strong and, although my car has had its share of hits over the 40 years I have owned it, repairs have never been a problem and it remains as straight as the day it left Edwardstown.  The most difficult repair Dave Mawer has ever needed to undertake for me was the replacement of a section of the top frame rail in the cockpit area following an incident at Lakeside in which I was Tboned pretty substantially.  My recollection is that, once the bent tube was cut out, the frame came back into shape relatively easily and one did not need to look very far to find another 600 for a dimensional check.

The first of the Repco Brabham V8s

Mal Ramsay, doing his best Red Bull Gives You Wings impression !

An Urgent Elfin - article by Elfin Aficionado, Barry Catford, published July 1968, Sports Car World

Edited by SJ Lambert, 07 September 2015 - 07:38.

Mal Ramsay, doing his best Red Bull Gives You Wings impression !
 
 

It's a bit hard to tell whether that's over or under steer!  (Perhaps it was "over"!)

Yes. but it appears he's steering left a little...
It's never good when your ride doesn't respond to input. Wrong air pressure?

I really must not use a cell phone that hasn't any winkies. 

Does anyone know how the ex Iriwan FVA powered 600 is travelling? Paul H may be able to report??

Edited by SJ Lambert, 16 June 2016 - 09:11.

Hengkie Irawan collects the chocolates after Max Stewart falters at Batu Tiga to win the 1969 Malaysian Grand Prix in frame no.6801.  Tony Maw puts in a good show in what I presume is an early Elfin Mono too before falling by the wayside.

Edited by SJ Lambert, 16 June 2016 - 09:23.

Does anyone know how the ex Iriwan FVA powered 600 is travelling? Paul H may be able to report??

I have not spoken to John Tanner, the current owner, since March last year and he has not responded to my more recent calls.  That is not promising and I suspect that the car remains the same as when I saw it in Sydney some 5 years ago.  It was then complete with a Hart 416B twin cam and FT200 transmission but was badly in need of a total rebuild.  When I did last speak to him John said that he had been negotiating purchase of  an FVA to facilitate rebuild in the original specification but that may be nothing more than talk.

Maurie Quincey at Phillip Island. Haven't worked out an exact date for this one - maybe Jan 69? So over to the Elfin addicted out there.

Stephen

Edited by cooper997, 24 April 2018 - 22:09.

Edited by SJ Lambert, 29 October 2016 - 07:53.

Mark Bisset's put up a wonderful article on the Singapore GP that features Garrie and various 600s - 6801 gets a lot of attention!!

https://primotipo.co...an-elfin-twist/

The photos in his article are great too, some humdingers, this one is just about my favourite

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photo credit is given as AOS

Edited by SJ Lambert, 25 November 2016 - 21:23.

Henk having a run at Sandown? by the look of it.

Originally posted by SJ Lambert
Henk having a run at Sandown? by the look of it.

Edited by SJ Lambert, 23 December 2016 - 12:27.

Edited by Rupertlt1, 02 February 2017 - 21:39.

Paul Hamilton's ex G C Works Prototype at Mallala - ANZAC meeting 2017 

Richard Carter looks on