Alonso is stunning in Singapore ,destroying teammates in avg of 1 second in Q but lack proper car with good traction to prove dominance, but still he can't translate it to Monaco.
Edited by ArkZ, 22 May 2013 - 15:24.
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Edited by ArkZ, 22 May 2013 - 15:24.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 15:39
Winning here it a bit of luck. Like someone showed with the wins by Senna, he took advantage of bad luck by his competitors in 3 of those wins to take victory. Top end records are tough to break in F1. I know we will never see Vettel even reach Schumacher (and maybe even Prost). 7 championships will never be reached, and at Monaco, even if you have a car/team/driver super combo of Vettel/Red Bull which is like Senna/McLaren, you still don't have the results here.
This record is similar to Richard Petty's 7 wins at the Daytona 500. Just such a high number I don't see anyone in the modern day being able to reach it, much less break it.
Posted 22 May 2013 - 15:50
If another Schumacher gets to F1 it will be possible.
Posted 22 May 2013 - 17:08
Even though Senna may have inherited victories when others dropped out in front of him, it should be mentioned that he always showed a knack for Monaco:
1984: Q = 13 R = 2
1985: Q = 1 R = DNF
1986: Q = 3 R = 3
1987: Q = 2 R = 1
1988: Q = 1 R = DNF
1989: Q = 1 R = 1
1990: Q = 1 R = 1
1991: Q = 1 R = 1
1992: Q = 3 R = 1
1993: Q = 3 R = 1
Posted 22 May 2013 - 17:32
I think Graham Hill entered 17 Monaco GPs for his five wins
Posted 22 May 2013 - 17:44
Drove in 17, and also had a dnq in 1975.
Much as he loved Monaco, I bet he would have happily traded one of those wins for a victory on home soil though.
Edited by garoidb, 22 May 2013 - 17:48.
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 19:20
I doubt any of them will, simply because none of them is really head and shoulders above the rest at Monaco. Also a lot of luck needed to get 6 wins - half of Senna's wins were inherited from people who had mechanical failures in front of him, the rest were won in dominant cars.
Posted 22 May 2013 - 19:53
Just off Monaco slightly... will anyone get near Schumacher's 8 wins at one track (France) or his 8 poles at Suzuka or Senna's 8 poles at Imola???
Vettel has 4 poles at Suzuka, Kimi has 3 or 4 wins at Spa, Hamilton 3 wins (and 2 or 3 poles) at Canada
Posted 22 May 2013 - 19:58
Posted 22 May 2013 - 20:17
And Senna equally was on the cards to win 84 and 88 but did not for trivial reasons such as those that gifted him the 87 and 93 wins.According to forix and a little memory searching
1987 - Mansell was leading Senna with about 10 secounds when his tubo broke on lap 29
1989 - Dominating
1990 - Dominating
1991 - Dominating
1992 - Mansell much faster, a loose wheel nut made him do an extra pit stop and then couldn't overtake
1993 - Schumacher leading until hydraulics faliure on lap 32
Posted 22 May 2013 - 23:43
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Trulli would have won with or without that crash. Though Schumacher was leading, he had yet to do another pitstop. Renault were simply faster than Ferrari on that day.2004, Schumi ahead - Montoya brain fade
Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:39
Kubica was also very impressive around Monaco but again, he's not racing either
Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:39
2004, Schumi brake test - Montoya brain fade
Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:27
It will never be topped. Schumacher couldn't do it and he was probably the best chance of it being broken.
Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:30
Even though Senna may have inherited victories when others dropped out in front of him, it should be mentioned that he always showed a knack for Monaco:
1984: Q = 13 R = 2
1985: Q = 1 R = DNF
1986: Q = 3 R = 3
1987: Q = 2 R = 1
1988: Q = 1 R = DNF
1989: Q = 1 R = 1
1990: Q = 1 R = 1
1991: Q = 1 R = 1
1992: Q = 3 R = 1
1993: Q = 3 R = 1
Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:30
In 1984 he would've overtaken Prost and won that race with 2 more laps to go, but if you added another 6 laps to that, Bellof would've gotten them both.And Senna equally was on the cards to win 84 and 88 but did not for trivial reasons such as those that gifted him the 87 and 93 wins.
Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:32
To be honest, only bad luck stopped Schumi from taking it.
He won it 5 times, so was only 1 short of equalling it and 2 short of breaking it.
1993, Schumi miles ahead - Mechanical failure
2000, Schumi miles ahead - Cracked Exhaust
2004, Schumi ahead - Montoya brain fade
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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:37
2003? Williams were unbeatable on that day.
As for 2006, I agree that he had the pace to win, but really shouldn't have done what he did in Q3.
Posted 23 May 2013 - 12:25
In 1984 he would've overtaken Prost and won that race with 2 more laps to go, but if you added another 6 laps to that, Bellof would've gotten them both.
Posted 23 May 2013 - 13:14
Not much faith in the current grid huh?
Posted 23 May 2013 - 15:38
In 1984 he would've overtaken Prost and won that race with 2 more laps to go, but if you added another 6 laps to that, Bellof would've gotten them both.
As for 1988, it was his fault for crashing from a 50 second lead.
Edited by PayasYouRace, 23 May 2013 - 15:39.
Posted 23 May 2013 - 15:42
He was only 1.5 seonds behind Juan Pablo in that race and even closer to Kimi who was in second.
Who could forget 1996 as well. He would have won that one; what a lap he did in that session!
I'd say from 1994-2000; Michael would have won it all...
Edited by PayasYouRace, 23 May 2013 - 15:45.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:18
The curious thing about Senna was that IMO he could have won a few more ... that wet one with Prost in front of him (I still think Prost was a better driver than Senna, but not at Monaco), when they stopped the race short - I am a bit vague about it, but Senna seemed to deserve that one. And wasn't Senna's first race at Monaco very good, in a really crap car? These days, such a feat could not happen.
Posted 08 June 2013 - 12:11
Senna deserves to hold at least 1 record (no matter what you may think of him) if not for that laps of concentration in 88 it would have been a clean sweep which is dam impressive for 7 years.
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Posted 08 June 2013 - 12:34
If it weren't for mechanical issues, Stirling Moss would have probably won all 7 of his Monaco GPs (1955-61). He won three and retired from the lead in the other four.
Sorry to revive an aging thread just to say that, but I missed the comment first time round.
Edited by holiday, 08 June 2013 - 12:34.