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Make the gold on this pop a bit more and maybe do the white portion as silver and this is a winner.

SR388 Se if you can find a color pick of Lennie Pond's #54 Master Chevrolet from his rookie year. The gold on that car popped out more and he use black numbers on the car. That sounds closer to what you were describing.

Sssssssssmoke!

Fun, fun race. Now .... over to the s^&tstorm at Detroit.

Edited by OvDrone, 02 June 2013 - 20:56.

Agreed.
I enjoyed seeing Smoke hunting down the leader, but of all the times Montoya has to be the leader! Aargh.
Really thought he had it.

With 15 laps to go, my heart was beating so fast.

Then the guys were saying protect the bottom.

JPM did everything right, and so did Smoke. It was a great finish.

BTW I'm amazed at the unwashed hordes chorusing in the NASCAR PC chat sidebar about how JPM sucks and he's a dirty driver.

Sssssssssmoke!

Fun, fun race. Now .... over to the s^&tstorm at Detroit.

Are there any cars left running?

Man, so disappointed but it shows the team is headed in the right direction. Some good tracks coming up for JPM and EGR seem to have gotten their **** together at the downforce tracks.

Glad to see Monty showing if you give him the car, he can still get it done.

18 with 4,5 of them a couple of laps down due to damage, something like that.

Ruh-roh, BK's car has failed inspection, again.

Ruh-roh, BK's car has failed inspection, again.

Integrity, dignity etc. in 3...2...1...

Heh, isn't this the first race back for the banned people?

Monty is in 3rd!! I thought there'd be more people posting.

So close again for JPM.

Unfortunately NASCAR is on Premier Sports in the UK which I can't get, so it's not the easiest to follow. I know there is stream out there but they are usually terrible.

Ruh-roh, BK's car has failed inspection, again.

This is what happens when you speak out against NASCAR on Twitter or whenever there's an open mic. I don't like it but this is about as surprising as snow at the North Pole.


I was hoping Monty would have put up more of a fight and blocked Smoke. I understand why he didn't, wouldn't have been smart racing, but still. It would have been exciting, especially if Gordon got to them. I got a question though. I can't figure out why JJ just didn't give Monty the spot back on the restart. Regardless of if he believes the 42 didn't get going, he knows he can't beat the leader to the line. Usually if a driver gives the position back within a lap or two, they don't penalize you. Surely JJ and Co didn't think they'd get away with it if they just pretended nothing happened. As solid as the 48 was, he could have gave the spot back and passed him 2 laps later.

Edited by nosaj100, 03 June 2013 - 00:04.

If I remember this correctly, JJ told his crew chief that he tried to give it back to Juan but JPM was so slow on the start he couldn't. This was a radio conversation a couple of laps after that start, right when he was told he was in trouble and right before they showed him the black flag.

BTW I'm amazed at the unwashed hordes chorusing in the NASCAR PC chat sidebar about how JPM sucks and he's a dirty driver.

yeah, and most of the ridiculous comments about JPM by folks here are thankfully absent today.
It's a team sport and I don't care who you are, if the team isn't good you will never get to the front in NASCAR.

That's odd, I thought Atlas (sorry) was full of JPM supporters when it comes to NASCAR, certainly all of the races I've followed here have been full of pro-Juan Pablo comments.

kmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn JPM pop a tire or something unluckyyyy

(i'm trying reverse jinxes)

holy **** it worked

That's odd, I thought Atlas (sorry) was full of JPM supporters when it comes to NASCAR, certainly all of the races I've followed here have been full of pro-Juan Pablo comments.

My post was about comments in the sidebar of the NASCAR PC. Meaning, on NASCAR.com, on the page they stream the post race press conference, there's the place where comments people tweet and send over facebook get collected. It's off to the side.

Edited by OfficeLinebacker, 03 June 2013 - 02:26.

I was hoping Monty would have put up more of a fight and blocked Smoke. I understand why he didn't, wouldn't have been smart racing, but still. It would have been exciting, especially if Gordon got to them.

He did. Well, he protected the bottom. Montoya knew he was way slower than Smoke, and Smoke knew he was faster. So Montoya made himself as difficult to pass as possible (but not Newman or Rusty Wallace level of hard) by taking away Smoke's line.

The fact that Smoke was able to pass Montoya even though Montoya was using the preferred line tells you how much faster Smoke was, and therefore how futile any attempts at blocking would be.

Montoya actually did an excellent job to keep Gordon behind him.

Stewart even said at the end that it was great being able to race past Montoya and that Juan made it difficult for him.

I got a question though. I can't figure out why JJ just didn't give Monty the spot back on the restart. Regardless of if he believes the 42 didn't get going, he knows he can't beat the leader to the line. Usually if a driver gives the position back within a lap or two, they don't penalize you. Surely JJ and Co didn't think they'd get away with it if they just pretended nothing happened. As solid as the 48 was, he could have gave the spot back and passed him 2 laps later.

If I remember this correctly, JJ told his crew chief that he tried to give it back to Juan but JPM was so slow on the start he couldn't. This was a radio conversation a couple of laps after that start, right when he was told he was in trouble and right before they showed him the black flag.

Based on my recollections and theories, I have an idea.

First of all my recollections are:

• From replays, JJ passed Montoya entering the restart zone
• Montoya complained on the first lap of the restart about the tyres. Just said "freaking rear tyres!" or something, about halfway through that first lap
• JJ in the post-race interview said "I don't know if Juan had a problem, if he broke something or spun the tyres or what."
• JJ in the post-race interview said his team told him to forget about it and just keep driving and not try to give the spot back.

Great drivers like JJ use all their senses. Not just sight. I think that Juan actually meant to restart early, to try to get a jump. But he spun the tyres. I think JJ heard Juan restart and that's why he went. And I think Montoya spun his tyres pretty badly. That's why he said after that he didn't know if Montoya broke something or had a problem or what--because what he heard didn't jive with how fast Montoya accelerated. Once they both passed the restart zone, Montoya was definitely on it, he tried to catch JJ and was pissed that JJ was ahead and that he muffed the restart.

But the penalty is because JJ passed Montoya ENTERING the restart zone. I don't have any replay links but I saw enough replays that it was obvious that JJ was ahead through the restart zone. Certainly by the end of it.

I don't know if the team maybe saw it differently or what or just were going to let it play out. Maybe they had too big of a lead to safely let just one car by.

I did not hear the radio conversation after the start about JJ maybe giving the spot back. I think that has to happen immediately, like within the first lap for sure.

Almost Monty, almost.

Good points regardless.

IIRC there's no probation component to the previous Penske penalties?

Those 25 points really hurt Logano. Seems most weeks he's finishing well with good late-race positioning but is still mired in 18th, would be just outside the Chase otherwise.

Don't think Johnson has much to stand on. The key point was the team being beat on the pit stop, which took away his ability to dictate the start. It's yet another example of double file restarts having way too much significance in how these races turn out. Keep 'em in exhibition races.

Don't think Johnson has much to stand on. The key point was the team being beat on the pit stop, which took away his ability to dictate the start. It's yet another example of double file restarts having way too much significance in how these races turn out. Keep 'em in exhibition races.

Did you see these comments?

"Whatever happened, he [Montoya] just did not go. At a certain point I didn't know if he was even under power," Johnson said.

"I wish I had handled it differently. But [if he hadn't gone] I would have been passed by at least the 42 [Montoya] if not two or three others.

"Once you get up to speed and the pack gets rolling it's real hard to give it back and have it be fair for everyone.

"The issue he had was so big I didn't know if he lost power or what. Eventually I had to get going and was called on it. I'd just be wasting air talking about it.

"There's always a judgment call in pro sports, it doesn't matter what the sport is. Our sport doesn't have many opportunities for that, but today we did."

Montoya claimed Johnson was simply over-optimistic with his start.

"Jimmie was laying off nearly a car length from me and I knew he wanted to jump the start," said Montoya after finishing in second position behind Tony Stewart.

"I backed off a little bit for us to line up and he didn't want to do it.

"When we got to the line I think he wanted to time it and he timed it too well. He wanted to get the jump on me and he just jumped it too well."

JJ wanted to win this race so much bcs he was going to donate the money prize to the Oklahoma hurricane victims.

Anyway every driver is different.
Carl Edwards was accused to jump starting in Phoenix.
Montoya used his malice to 'steam cook' JJ at the start.

Montoya knew JJ was very fast and tried to eliminate him from the finish line equation, IMO.

That's odd, I thought Atlas (sorry) was full of JPM supporters when it comes to NASCAR, certainly all of the races I've followed here have been full of pro-Juan Pablo comments.

Your thoughts are correct. But it seems the mister above you is keen on witch hunting.

jj beat himself, and no way was he half throttle, none of the other cars closed up much at all to him

Did you see these comments?

I still don't disagree with the penalty. Maybe if the cars were a bit closer together, but Johnson was clearly ahead all the way through the process.

My overall point is that these games, along with the issues of being stuck in the various lanes, are products of double file restarts, which aren't really a satisfactory way to keep deciding races IMO.
All that ambiguity cost Johnson a deserved good result. Perhaps a compromise would be to not have them in the latter portions of races.

I agree with the penalty. If the rule is there it should be enforced. Just call it like that everytime nascar and I'll be cool.

yeah, and most of the ridiculous comments about JPM by folks here are thankfully absent today.

Huh?

jpm is a walrus

jpm is a walrus

Reported.

How nice do those NNS and NCTWS entry lists look for this weekend?

How nice do those NNS and NCTWS entry lists look for this weekend?

Hopefully, Logano gets the flu or something before Iowa.

Edited by Dilla, 04 June 2013 - 02:39.

jpm is a walrus

no, he's a dick
I know that jpm has never done any drag racing, but in that world he'd get a gold star.
He got JJ in the lights, JJ's dumbass fault. JJ knew he had him, but he blew it.
Say what you want about jpm, he's got the widest car in the series, but when it's a square race, jpm races square, that's why TS won, and that's why TS gave him props afterwards.
C'mon, he's been racing with JJ and getting whupped by him for years now, he's knows all the Vulcan mindmelds.
JPM got over on him. Other guys should take note, and will.
Beeeeautiful.

Edited by whitewaterMkII, 04 June 2013 - 02:45.

Was genius tbh. Loved seeing JJ getting pwnt.

Your thoughts are correct. But it seems the mister above you is keen on witch hunting.

witch hunt?
\whatever.
all I know is that it was nice to see JPM and the team have the kind of race that they did.
working together like a professional team.
when something has not gone right, plenty of folks here have pointed fingers only at montoya.
running into the back of kenseth was the most recent example of bone headed comments aimed at montoya.

but if you want it to be a witch hunt, go for it.
I'm happy to see the ganassi team working well together and the whole group moving in the right direction.
mcmurray was on for a good run too but had a part failure which is something the team needs to work on still.
as long as they are both in the top ten regularly it won't be long before a win comes their way.
not sure if the chase is possible but good momentum is for sure.

no, he's a dick
I know that jpm has never done any drag racing, but in that world he'd get a gold star.
He got JJ in the lights, JJ's dumbass fault. JJ knew he had him, but he blew it.
Say what you want about jpm, he's got the widest car in the series, but when it's a square race, jpm races square, that's why TS won, and that's why TS gave him props afterwards.
C'mon, he's been racing with JJ and getting whupped by him for years now, he's knows all the Vulcan mindmelds.
JPM got over on him. Other guys should take note, and will.
Beeeeautiful.

Was genius tbh. Loved seeing JJ getting pwnt.

Totally agreed.

Heck, JJ jumped HIS OWN SPOTTER.

Y'all are gonna love the JJ ******** on the radio in this clip. I know I did. It's also a great view into their team.

ROFL QUARTER THROTTLE YEAH RIGHT HAHAHA.

I feel bad for the people he was going to give the money too but I mean... kmon man. How many restarts has he done? How many times has he seen the person on the inside get what happened to him? More than he could count probably.

Edited by Deluxx, 05 June 2013 - 19:57.

I don't know fully understand the NASCAR restart rules, but two things.

Sometimes audio and/or radio isn't fully synced to vid, and a slight delay can make something like that look odd.

Also, it didn't sound like Johnson mashed it any point. It was like he was trying to anticipate when Montoya goes, then he goes when he thinks he should, then he kind of hesitates because Montoya isn't along side, then he's waiting, then he goes.

Visually it looks like he took off because he cleared everyone swiftish, but it doesn't sound that way.

I'm not exactly sure on the rules either and I don't think Nascar is either, but does it say anywhere that you have to gun it on a restart? Jummie misjudged regardless.

So JPM found a loophole that the leader should restart the race, Hmmmmm..........

So JPM found a loophole that the leader should restart the race, Hmmmmm..........

Oh man the second half of that is awesome. Montoya is so chill. He had the room eating out of the palm of his hand.

And, Jimmie is seriously crazy. Like, losing touch with reality, persecution complex crazy.

I wouldn't go that far...

But I totally didn't understand what his explanation was.

Rofl love the JJ ********

JJ has thing about restart etiquette. Remember the stink he raised up when he felt Carl cheated the restart back at Phoenix? Literally complained about it for days on his Twitter feed.

http://www.sbnation....on-carl-edwards

Edited by Dilla, 08 June 2013 - 00:33.

Montoya is pure malice

I remember how many pranks Juan Diablo applied to McLaren just avoid giving them the WCC and not helping Kimi to get his WDC.

> Crasehd Kimi at Indianapolis
> Crashed Pizzonia at Spa
> Went of track in the last lap of the race in Turkey

Edited by V3TT3L, 08 June 2013 - 00:41.

Kimi Indy was 2006.