Goodwood Festival of Speed and Revival 2014

Jim Stokes Workshop operates to incredibly high standards.  They had real difficulty trying to weld as badly as real-life Ferrari standards c.1960-61.

 

DCN

They had real difficulty trying to weld as badly as real-life Ferrari standards c.1960-61.

 

I seem to recall seeing some shots of fine modern day chicken-sh*t welding on the current Ferrari 458, so it is nice to think that tradition is upheld at Maranello.

Jim Stokes Workshop operates to incredibly high standards.  They had real difficulty trying to weld as badly as real-life Ferrari standards c.1960-61.

 

DCN

Just to reinforce the point, a lovely bit of work.

If we're talking about poor workmanship, just about the worst I've ever seen was on  Alfa 33s, roughest fibreglass around, and contemporary Porsches weren't a lot better. I suppose they must have made up for that in other areas though, little Art treated the engines badly using more revs than anyone else, and he said they were unbreakable.

Video of the construction of the Goodwood sculpture

http://grrc.goodwood...Y9XW,9LX43,1#/0

When helping to restore a Porsche 906 years ago we were amazed at the poor quality original welding-pigeon **** looks better!

Had a similar experience with a Lamborghini chassis.....couldn't believe the poor quality of the [MIG] welding !

Unfortunatly welding on many production vehicles is terrible,, but the operators are unskilled, just given a MIG and told to weld that there, as the line marches on.

A friend took a rebuild late model Alfa in for inspection. He was knocked back because the repairs were not good enough, welding mainly. This was on the end not repaired! So he had to go repair the manufactures very daggy welding. What he had done was ok. He really had not even looked at the front, the car was hit [not very hard] in the back.

Alloy framed or tube chassis cars are often worse.

Just a silly question, but I note that Mercedes in the mid-50s seem to have an enthusiasm for tartan upholstery.  Even the GP cars sported it.  Was there any reason for it?  Perhaps Stuttgart was 'liberated' by the Scots Guards?  Or did Herr Neubauer maybe have a Scots mother?

Just a silly question, but I note that Mercedes in the mid-50s seem to have an enthusiasm for tartan upholstery.  Even the GP cars sported it.  Was there any reason for it?  Perhaps Stuttgart was 'liberated' by the Scots Guards?  Or did Herr Neubauer maybe have a Scots mother?

Surely you recognise the tartan of the McDaimler clan laddie?

Just a silly question, but I note that Mercedes in the mid-50s seem to have an enthusiasm for tartan upholstery.  Even the GP cars sported it.  Was there any reason for it?  Perhaps Stuttgart was 'liberated' by the Scots Guards?  Or did Herr Neubauer maybe have a Scots mother?

Nearest I can come to that is that Rudi Uhlenhaut's mother was English. However: Whence Mercedes-Benz tartan?

Nearest I can come to that is that Rudi Uhlenhaut's mother was English. However: Whence Mercedes-Benz tartan?

I'd always assumed it was as a result of a brief tie-up with Dunlop who, as we all know, have been Makintyres for years.

OK, I apologise.

I'd always assumed it was as a result of a brief tie-up with Dunlop who, as we all know, have been Makintyres for years.

 

OK, I apologise.

I can hear the quiet rustle of a lot of coats being got...

I can hear the quiet rustle of a lot of coats being got...

That is not "coats being got", it's coats etc being moved while people search for their shotguns!

Fans of one-make racing will have this to look forward to at the Revival (from the Daily Telegraph):

This year's Goodwood Revival will include an unprecedented race of Jaguar D-types to celebrate the iconic racing car's 60th birthday.

 

The Lavant Cup race, which normally features a variety of 1950s sports racing prototypes, will this year be contested solely by D-types – and with 29 cars it’s expected to set a new world record for the largest collection of D-types ever to have raced together.

 

The D-type was Jaguar’s most successful endurance racing model. It collected three consecutive wins at Le Mans in the 1950s, and at the 1957 race, D-types filled five of the top six spots. It was also raced by many famous names in its heyday, including Mike Hawthorn, John Fitch, Ivor Bueb and Ron Flockhart.

 

Nevertheless, D-types haven’t had such success when racing in more recent times at Goodwood. Only two wins have been taken by drivers in D-types – the Sussex Trophy in 2006, and again in 2013.

 

As if the record-breaking gathering of D-types wasn’t enough, several D-type derivatives are also expected to take part in the race. There will be three examples of the XK-SS – the roadgoing version of the D-type – as well as a 1960 E2A, the Jaguar prototype which was raced by Dan Gurney, Bruce McLaren and Jack Brabham, and which bridged the gap between the D- and E-types.

 

The Goodwood Revival runs from September 12-14, with the Lavant Cup on Saturday 13.

General access tickets have sold out, but there are a number of Friday Grandstand packages still available, as well as packages of two tickets to the Revival on the Sunday including accommodation at the Goodwood Hotel that evening.

 

I'm giving it a miss this year (for only the 2nd time) and this news doesn't make me regret my decision.

Why????? It won't be more exciting than their normal race (far less so in my opinion) and there is no historical context (which used to be important to Lord March and his team)

Seems to be their main way to generate  sensationalist headlines "worlds largest grid or XXXX ever assembled"

I wonder if the MM is now the revival revival, for folks who want the revival 'like it used to be'?

Al

 

Fans of one-make racing will have this to look forward to at the Revival (from the Daily Telegraph):

 

 

 

Talking D-types, Norman Dewis told me something at Goodwood that I had never heard or read before. That is that the fin on the D is angled 5 degrees to the left, presumably to counter the aerodynamic drag of the screen and driver. I wonder if the builders of replicas know this.

Chris

I wondered that too.  According to Wikipedia ( ) -" Total D-Type production is thought to have included 18 factory team cars, 53 customer cars, and 16 XKSS versions."

A questionable source (edit: same one!!!) says 18 factory cars, 53 customer cars, and 16 XKSS.

On D-Types, can anyone tell me whether one ever ran with wire wheels rather than Dunlop alloys?

Paul M

Edited by Macca, 24 July 2014 - 09:54.

A questionable source (edit: same one!!!) says 18 factory cars, 53 customer cars, and 16 XKSS.

 

On D-Types, can anyone tell me whether one ever ran with wire wheels rather than Dunlop alloys?

 

 

Paul M

I've never seen or heard of one on wire wheels, which presumably are heavier and weaker than the alloys. However, the interim car, sometimes called the Light Alloy car or C/D type, appeared at Jabbeke in October 1953 on wire wheels, and then subsequently  testing at Reims on alloys.

Paul,  I can't see why anyone would want to run a D-Type on wire wheels.  Are you thinking of the XK120 which somepeople ran with wires to aid brake cooling?

Causager's Jaguar history gives the following figures for D-Type/XKSS: 1954: 6, 1955: 34, 1956: 27, 1957: 4/16 (presumably the 16 are XKSS's) Total: 87 which matches Wikipedia

I get the distinct impression from watching the Goodwood FoS on ITV4 that there is very little interest in having competitive cars tackling the job of breaking the hill record. Judging by the overweight vehicles that one assumes are chosen to run in the so called shoot-out plus the lack of involvement of modern hillclimbers.

I attended this year, my 11th (I think) visit since 1996. In all that time, I can think of only 1 "modern" hillclimber who has been there. Graham Wight Jnr about 10/12 years ago.  Maybe Goodwood could put on an extra event [like they did with the Members Meeting on the circuit] ..a 2 day Hillclimb Meeting, Day 1 being for a history of hillclimbing, featuring cars & bikes that competed in sprints / hillclimbs over the decades.....the 2nd being for a round of the MSA British Hillclimb Championship. Obviously, these will be more for the clubmen rather than professional drivers and the vehicles would be the sort not usually invited to the FoS etc.  If they could get cars like Sir Nick Williamson's & David Good's McLaren M10B F5000 cars [from 1970], David Hepworth's homebuilt car that took him to the 69 & 71 titles, Roy lane's old cars etc [OK, the 6-wheeler March was at FoS this year] plus non single-seaters like Jeff Goodliffe's BVRT Minisprint etc that would be great [these are all cars I remember from my childhood visits to Barbon Manor in Cumbria]. Shelsley have often have "Festivals", even Andy Priaulx driving a BMW there [in the days when he was contesting the WTCC for them].  And Day 2 would have the modern contingent Scott Moran, Trevor Willis etc in their contemporary mounts. I bet the hill record would soon fall....   

All perfectly reasonable, you're absolutely right that decent hilclimb cars would shatter the hill record, but it will never happen. Two words, safety and insurance...

I do think they were a little uncomfortable I recall with a little car built for the job in a shed being quicker than all the grandee stuff as he was never asked back!

As for hillclimb stuff, along with the top UK guys, let's get Faggioli Marcel Steiner, Christian Merli and some of the awesome supercars like Pregartners 911 Turbo, Felix Pailer, Andy Gabat, Bruno Ianello in the Delta S4. they look colourful, sound great and would attack the climb. Plus they would be honoured to be invited.

Faggioli I reckon could get close to the time

But its true, safety would be an issue.

But what would you rather see or be comfortable with safety wise?

A proper hillclimb car with a legend like Faggioli at the wheel attacking, or the son of some bloke who died yonks ago, getting carried away and half killing himself and writing off a car he has no clue how to drive?

I can understand why this happens, it is all very 'Goodwood', but for me it is more dangerous and less of a spectacle.

What have been the greatest spectacles recently?  Rod Millen?  Mad Mike's Mazda?  the bloke form the telly in the BAJA car? The bikes coz they wheelie and rollign burnout, the drag cars?  It's a nice balance, but there could be more.

The time I stopped going was when I had to endure watching Mansells kid going up the hill in some junior formula car!! I just thought, "hang on a minute!!"

But, it's a great event and I will go back again one day, I do love the fact they ahve made one day a motor show, that is very very clever and interesting for folk too.

Not quite sure what the motoring connection is - other than being a major bottleneck to travellers at holiday times - but here is something else to look forward to at the Revival..

GOODWOOD REVIVAL BRINGS STONEHENGE TO WEST SUSSEX THIS SEPTEMBER

Where else in the world can you see a full scale model of Stonehenge, the largest gathering of Jaguar D-Types in history and Mods and Rockers duking it out on Brighton Pier without leaving the confines of a race track? At the Goodwood Revival of course, which takes place from 12–14 September at the iconic Goodwood Motor Circuit.

Keen to save motorists from the South East the journey to the West Country, the world famous Goodwood Revival continues its tradition of stunning displays and authentic set dressing with the most extreme example to date, in the shape of a full-scale Stonehenge installation at the ultra-fast 2.4-mile circuit.

Commissioned by Lord March to be larger than the original, and to be viewed by 150,000 Revival visitors – a greater number than the entire UK population 5000 years ago - the installation will be in place exclusively for the Revival weekend in celebration of the pre-historic monument’s 99 years in safe hands, after it was bought at auction in 1915 by Cecil Chubb for £6,600 (£500,000 in today’s money).

Some say it was bought to prevent shipment to America, and it is suggested that the Goodwood version may be offered up for sale after the Revival to offer potential US buyers another chance to take Stonehenge stateside!

A number of druids will attend to mark the occasion – as well as the 50th anniversary of the Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids, and will be invited to enact rituals and ceremonies at the site – though the rain dance is banned! Unlike the original, guests will be invited into the monument site, making it a must-visit UK ‘selfie’ destination this September.

 

Gawd 'elp us.

I only got as far as "duking it out". You'll have to excuse me, I'm just off to take a "selfie", whatever that is.

Not quite sure what the motoring connection is - other than being a major bottleneck to travellers at holiday times - but here is something else to look forward to at the Revival..

Yes, I just got the press release on this. Why? LM seems to have finally lost the plot.

See post #116

Gawd 'elp us.

I'm sure, like me, you are thoroughly fed up with seeing that narcissistic self-publicist tw@t 'King Arthur Pendragon' who rocks up every time Stonehenge gets into the local news. I'm also sure you can guess where I'd like to shove his staff ...

If Ian Faith is involved in the commissioning, it may yet end in disaster.

  You can't blame him for the minilith. Polly Deutsch is innocent too. Blame Nigel and the medium of 'napkin'.

I think it could be quite fun   Though can't see the relevance

"Commissioned by Lord March to be larger than the original, and to be viewed by 150,000 Revival visitors – a greater number than the entire UK population 5000 years ago - the installation will be in place exclusively for the Revival weekend ..."

Wot no Spinal Tap gig ?

"Commissioned by Lord March to be larger than the original, and to be viewed by 150,000 Revival visitors – a greater number than the entire UK population 5000 years ago - the installation will be in place exclusively for the Revival weekend ..."

 

Wot no Spinal Tap gig ?

You just wait, "Stonehenge" will be turned right up to 11.

Sad news just in:  

Lord March dies in bizarre gardening accident...

Authorities say... best leave it... unsolved.

I'm sure, like me, you are thoroughly fed up with seeing that narcissistic self-publicist tw@t 'King Arthur Pendragon' who rocks up every time Stonehenge gets into the local news. I'm also sure you can guess where I'd like to shove his staff ...

 

I have former colleagues who have had to deal with this belligerent, deluded twonk in person. Approach with caution. 

Some of his "followers" are quite hostile to the internal combustion engine, progress, science and people having fun. This could get quite messy.

He's easy to handle.  Just say you're Mordred.

I wonder if King arthur ever mused "If I'm ever re-incarnated, I do hope I don't come back as a total d*ck"?

Why on earth would Goodwood want anyting to do with this, and vice-versa???

He's easy to handle.  Just say you're Mordred.

We could always sit him down and explain that (a) Stonehenge has nothing to do with Druids, and vice-versa, and (b) there's no proof that 'King' Arthur ever existed in the first place and © if he did he had nothing to do with either druids or Stonehenge.

We could always sit him down and explain that (a) Stonehenge has nothing to do with Druids, and vice-versa, and (b) there's no proof that 'King' Arthur ever existed in the first place and © if he did he had nothing to do with either druids or Stonehenge.

Or Goodwood!

There was always Goodwoodhenge nearby though.

Meanwhile, the enlightened among us will be watching the racing ... rather than the sideshows.

Not sure I ever wanted to re-visit a 60's Tesco, but it seems to work for some visitors 

We could always sit him down and explain that (a) Stonehenge has nothing to do with Druids, and vice-versa, and (b) there's no proof that 'King' Arthur ever existed in the first place and © if he did he had nothing to do with either druids or Stonehenge.

Seriously, he (or more likely one of his followers) can get threatening if you even show signs of doing that. I know people who have worked at the Stonehenge digs. 

I'm almost willing Jeremy Clarkson to turn up, and proclaim the Stig to be the returned King Arthur.

Seriously, he (or more likely one of his followers) can get threatening if you even show signs of doing that. I know people who have worked at the Stonehenge digs. 

 

I'm almost willing Jeremy Clarkson to turn up, and proclaim the Stig to be the returned King Arthur.

They could call it "Druid in a reasonably priced car".

Seriously, he (or more likely one of his followers) can get threatening if you even show signs of doing that. I know people who have worked at the Stonehenge digs. 

 

I'm almost willing Jeremy Clarkson to turn up, and proclaim the Stig to be the returned King Arthur.

They should invite the cast of Spamalot! to do a few numbers as well.

Meanwhile, the enlightened among us will be watching the racing ... rather than the sideshows.

 

Not sure I ever wanted to re-visit a 60's Tesco, but it seems to work for some visitors 

The Tesco is usually my first port of call when I get there each morning 

It sells decent ready made sandwiches, water, soft drinks, crisps and snacks at the same price it sells them in present day Tescos 

Meanwhile, the enlightened among us will be watching the racing ... rather than the sideshows.

 

Not sure I ever wanted to re-visit a 60's Tesco, but it seems to work for some visitors 

It was the Members Meeting earlier this year that highlighted to me quite what the Revival has morphed into......  but Stonehenge?!?!........

 "Well may I ask what you expected to see out of a Goodwood hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House perhaps? The Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically across the infield..."

The Tesco is usually my first port of call when I get there each morning 

 

It sells decent ready made sandwiches, water, soft drinks, crisps and snacks at the same price it sells them in present day Tescos 

Blimey - how has LM allowed that to happen ? !  I will see Tesco in a new light now.