Shocking incredible unbelievable news from the FIA - fun is allowed

We donuts now!

http://www.motorspor...t-14021506.html

Too German; Didn't Read:

• Race winner CAN into donuts
• Only the race winner can do this
• Can't be unsafe for other drivers, marshals, spectators, etc.
• Does it at his own risk: if he runs out of fuel, too bad

Shitty Google Translate/Yodafier:

(Motor-Total.com) - In many racing series, particularly in the U.S., donuts are an integral ritual of a race winner. Rotate in a circle The car with spinning wheels on the spot - so are regularly celebrated success in NASCAR and Co..

In Formula 1, such rituals have long been frowned upon, to Sebastian Vettel after his World Cup triumph in India broke this taboo, it would not be deterred in its future victories, the Red Bull to circulate and thus colleagues infected.

Here, Vettel, Webber or Massa however did not act in the sense of the sporting regulations. DC by two articles were donuts unmet.

Firstly, Article 30.4, which prohibits drivers, to stop the car without legitimate reason on the track. And in particular Article 43.3 urged the driver to unambiguously to go to the end of the race without any unnecessary delay in the Parc Ferme.Punished Vettel burnouts were, however, only in India, as the world champion at the time his car shuts off on the start-finish straight, and not in the Parc Ferme. 25,000 euro fine and a warning was the result. In the following race in Abu Dhabi, Austin and Sao Paulo the race stewards were then mercy take the law and refrained from sanctions.

 

This is this season is no longer necessary because current version of the sporting regulations are donuts or similar rituals now explicitly allowed under certain circumstances. An amendment of Article 43.3 clarifies that the race winner (and only him!) Is a celebration performance is allowed before reaching the Parc Ferme. For this, however, the following requirements apply: The safety of other drivers and officials must not be affected, the legality of the car must not be questioned, and the podium ceremony should not be delayed. Vettel and Co. may therefore carefree celebrate their victories this season - if they still have it enough fuel in the tank.

Edited by Andrew Hope, 15 February 2014 - 15:43.

Vettel and Co. may therefore carefree celebrate their victories this season - if they still have it enough fuel in the tank.

There goes the Apocalypse Now set-all-your-fuel-alight-in-front-of-the-main-grandstand celebration then. Shame, that used to be one of my favourites.

I liked it when they got all the engineers out on track poured fuel on them, set them alight and sent them parading around the circuit, oh well...

There goes the Apocalypse Now set-all-your-fuel-alight-in-front-of-the-main-grandstand celebration then. Shame, that used to be one of my favourites.

Inb4 "The driver who does donuts has to start the next race on the same set of tires".

You had me at "may therefore carefree celebrate".

Pure poetry.

Neil

I liked it when they got all the engineers out on track poured fuel on them, set them alight and sent them parading around the circuit, oh well...

The day the roasting flesh of Imperial College engineering graduates ceased to be offered up for the entertainment of the masses, was the day the sanitization of the sport went too far.

You had me at "may therefore carefree celebrate".

 

Pure poetry.

 

Neil

Here

Vettel, Webber or Massa however

did not act

in the sense of the sporting regulations.

DC

by two articles

were donuts unmet

I like BBQ's, i like fun, i'd like to live in a hamburger bun.

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Hmm, i wonder what actually constitutes 'an act of celebration'. Can they do only one donut? Or is it more like a celebration 'event' with an unregulated number of celebratory actions allowed? Would that mean they had to choose one place where they hold their official post-race celebration event? Do non-donut celebrations count into this as well? So, would Vettel have to choose between slowing down to show the finger and doing a donut?

I think there are way too many open question still that will hopefully be addressed soon in a special Annex Q: Expressions of joy and other emotions during a FIA Formula One event.

Edited by dau, 15 February 2014 - 16:34.

Stupid rule, I hate fun !

 

43.3 After receiving the end-of-race signal all cars must proceed on the circuit directly to the post race parc fermé without any unnecessary delay, without receiving any object whatsoever and without any assistance (except that of the marshals if necessary). 

 

 An exception to Article 30.4 and to the above will be made for the winning driver who may perform an act of celebration before reaching parc fermé, provided any such act : 

 

 a) Is performed safely and does not endanger other drivers or any officials. 

 b) Does not call into question the legality of his car. 

 c) Does not delay the podium ceremony. 

 

 Any classified car which cannot reach the post race parc fermé under its own power will be placed under the exclusive control of the marshals who will take the car to the parc fermé. 

 

So we now have an article regulating celebrations. Can it get more German than that?

 

d) a single national flag of maximum size of (TBA) may be added to the car, provided it is later returned to the FIA technical delegate (or other scrutineer appointed by the later).

Stupid rule, I hate fun !

Well then F1 is the sport for you!

Regulated fun. Now this is hilarious.

Exactly lol - you can celebrate, but only as per rule 3572.a) which mandates the precise requirements under which you can celebrate. 

So we now have an article regulating celebrations. Can it get more German than that?

 

I'm surprised they haven't made the celebrations compulsory - with a five place grid penalty for any winning driver who fails to complete his donuts joyfully enough

This is a good change. 

Edited by Mat13, 15 February 2014 - 19:16.

Exactly lol - you can celebrate, but only as per rule 3572.a) which mandates the precise requirements under which you can celebrate. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are always going to be certain constraints on celebrations in any sport? You can't celebrate winning a test match by punching the President of the MCC's wife. You can't celebrate a goal in football by getting your arse out. You can't celebrate a win in F1 by doing a doughnut on the exit of a blind corner thereby forcing another driver to go off in avoidance and hit a marshall. The only difference is, in the F1 example you don't wait until an accident happens before the governing body steps in and says "this is not okay", so a penalty will also be forthcoming if an accident could have occurred but didn't (e.g. Webber's hitch-hiking stunt).

It's easy to mock the FIA, but there are plenty of other things they actually deserve criticism for before we get too excited about this. The requirements (a) - © aren't unreasonable. People have to have confidence in the scrutineering so you have to make sure the car gets back to parc ferme unmolested, and reasonably promptly, you do want the podium ceremony to take place before the broadcasters go off air, and the FIA knows that however much people mock them for being overzealous about safety, it's nothing compared to the criticism they would get if somebody actually got hurt in a daft accident on the slowdown lap.

This is just a clarification for people, like Vettel, who were not intelligent enough to understand the previous rule. Do doughnuts if you like, but don't be a dick about it (e.g. don't do it if there are marshalls on the track, make sure other drivers have a chance to see and avoid you, etc). And if you can drive back to parc ferme, you have to do so.

Now now, don't try and be reasonable.

I think, FIA will launch new award for best "donuts" maker

Also pirelli will make new compound for 'donuts' special

Villeneuve said about right things the future of Formula 1 - http://thisisf1.com/...artificial-way/

@thisisf1

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are always going to be certain constraints on celebrations in any sport? You can't celebrate winning a test match by punching the President of the MCC's wife. You can't celebrate a goal in football by getting your arse out. You can't celebrate a win in F1 by doing a doughnut on the exit of a blind corner thereby forcing another driver to go off in avoidance and hit a marshall. The only difference is, in the F1 example you don't wait until an accident happens before the governing body steps in and says "this is not okay", so a penalty will also be forthcoming if an accident could have occurred but didn't (e.g. Webber's hitch-hiking stunt).
 
It's easy to mock the FIA, but there are plenty of other things they actually deserve criticism for before we get too excited about this. The requirements (a) - © aren't unreasonable. People have to have confidence in the scrutineering so you have to make sure the car gets back to parc ferme unmolested, and reasonably promptly, you do want the podium ceremony to take place before the broadcasters go off air, and the FIA knows that however much people mock them for being overzealous about safety, it's nothing compared to the criticism they would get if somebody actually got hurt in a daft accident on the slowdown lap.

 
All those things - get to parc ferme, don't hold up podium ceremony, don't endanger other drivers etc. - were already in the rules. All that this additional paragraph does is indirectly ban 'celebrations' of drivers other than the winner even if they are performed safely, don't delay the podium ceremony or 'call into question the legality of the car'. The regulations we had so far were absolutely sufficient in this regard: Yes, you can celebrate, do donuts and whatever, as long as you still follow these rules. Now, you can't. If Kobayashi puts his Caterham on P4 at Suzuka and thinks of celebrating with a donut in the same spot, in the same manner as the winner, he could be penalised. Not that i expect that to really happen, but it would be neither necessary nor make sense. And that is why this regulation is pointless.
 
As is your comparison with 'punching the President's wife', to be honest. No offense, but that's a strawman.
 

This is just a clarification for people, like Vettel, who were not intelligent enough to understand the previous rule. Do doughnuts if you like, but don't be a dick about it (e.g. don't do it if there are marshalls on the track, make sure other drivers have a chance to see and avoid you, etc). And if you can drive back to parc ferme, you have to do so.

Ah, right, it's because of people like Vettel not being intelligent enough. Ok. So, let's ignore that part and focus on what he was actually penalised for, which was not proceeding to post-race parc ferme without delay, i.e. him getting out of the car. Which was not allowed with the old regulations and is still not allowed with the 'clarification' if you want to call it that, because he would still delay the podium ceremony. The only difference being that now, it would be doubly not allowed for everyone but the winner.

Yes, totally worth it.

Edited by dau, 15 February 2014 - 21:49.

 

b) Does not call into question the legality of his car. 

The people who, based on footage of dubious quality, argued Vettel's Red Bull had Traction Control because his doughnuts looked 'odd' are going to have a field day the next time the Red Bull makes some weird noises during such a 'act of celebration'.

Donuts are compulsory in NASCAR/Indycar are they not?

The same rule should really apply in F1. 

 
All those things - get to parc ferme, don't hold up podium ceremony, don't endanger other drivers etc. - were already in the rules. All that this additional paragraph does is indirectly ban 'celebrations' of drivers other than the winner even if they are performed safely, don't delay the podium ceremony or 'call into question the legality of the car'. The regulations we had so far were absolutely sufficient in this regard: Yes, you can celebrate, do donuts and whatever, as long as you still follow these rules. Now, you can't. If Kobayashi puts his Caterham on P4 at Suzuka and thinks of celebrating with a donut in the same spot, in the same manner as the winner, he could be penalised. Not that i expect that to really happen, but it would be neither necessary nor make sense. And that is why this regulation is pointless.
 
As is your comparison with 'punching the President's wife', to be honest. No offense, but that's a strawman.
 

 

Ah, right, it's because of people like Vettel not being intelligent enough. Ok. So, let's ignore that part and focus on what he was actually penalised for, which was not proceeding to post-race parc ferme without delay, i.e. him getting out of the car. Which was not allowed with the old regulations and is still not allowed with the 'clarification' if you want to call it that, because he would still delay the podium ceremony. The only difference being that now, it would be doubly not allowed for everyone but the winner.

 

Yes, totally worth it.

You're right, the new rule is totally unnecessary. I agree. But when penalties were given under the old rule, you had Christian Horner moaning about it and, if I remember rightly, at least half a dozen pages worth of posts on this forum of people agreeing with him, so it's not entirely surprising that the FIA has felt the need to spell it out.

You make an interesting point about non-winning drivers celebrating - it certainly wouldn't be out of place for Kobayashi to do doughnuts if he was fourth in Suzuka and, while we're at it, presumably if somebody wins the championship by finishing second in the last race, they could also fall foul of this rule. I agree with you that they shouldn't have introduced that extra stipulation. However, as far as I can see there is still nothing in the regulations banning doughnuts, so if somebody other than the race winner performs doughnuts, although the exception under Article 43.3 wouldn't apply, there's nothing forcing the stewards to regard the performance of doughnuts as an "unnecessary delay" and to dish out a penalty for it.

As for punching the President of the MCC's wife, it's probably a poor and unnecessarily fanciful example to pick out of the air, but people were mocking the fact that celebrations in F1 were regulated at all, the clear suggestion being that they shouldn't be, and I was pointing out that there can be circumstances where it is justifiable to do so.

 
All those things - get to parc ferme, don't hold up podium ceremony, don't endanger other drivers etc. - were already in the rules. All that this additional paragraph does is indirectly ban 'celebrations' of drivers other than the winner even if they are performed safely, don't delay the podium ceremony or 'call into question the legality of the car'. The regulations we had so far were absolutely sufficient in this regard: Yes, you can celebrate, do donuts and whatever, as long as you still follow these rules. Now, you can't. If Kobayashi puts his Caterham on P4 at Suzuka and thinks of celebrating with a donut in the same spot, in the same manner as the winner, he could be penalised. Not that i expect that to really happen, but it would be neither necessary nor make sense. And that is why this regulation is pointless.
 
As is your comparison with 'punching the President's wife', to be honest. No offense, but that's a strawman.
 

 

Ah, right, it's because of people like Vettel not being intelligent enough. Ok. So, let's ignore that part and focus on what he was actually penalised for, which was not proceeding to post-race parc ferme without delay, i.e. him getting out of the car. Which was not allowed with the old regulations and is still not allowed with the 'clarification' if you want to call it that, because he would still delay the podium ceremony. The only difference being that now, it would be doubly not allowed for everyone but the winner.

 

Yes, totally worth it.

previous regulations forced Vettel to drive straight to parc ferme, ie doing what he did in India (driving past the pitlane into the s/f straight and doing donuts) was illegal, so he was penalized. Doing what he did in Abu Dhabi wasn't illegal under the previous rules, nor the current rules. Hamilton has done the same in Silverstone, while not winning the race, nobody cared/punished him like nobody cared/punished Vettel for his Abu Dhabi donuts and nobody will care/punish them this season. The new rule allows the race winner ONLY to do what Vettel did in India, otherwise nothing is changed, if you want to do donuts before getting into park ferme you always could so long as you don't waste time/put people in danger etc.

Who'd of thunk it??

previous regulations forced Vettel to drive straight to parc ferme, ie doing what he did in India (driving past the pitlane into the s/f straight and doing donuts) was illegal, so he was penalized. Doing what he did in Abu Dhabi wasn't illegal under the previous rules, nor the current rules. Hamilton has done the same in Silverstone, while not winning the race, nobody cared/punished him like nobody cared/punished Vettel for his Abu Dhabi donuts and nobody will care/punish them this season. The new rule allows the race winner ONLY to do what Vettel did in India, otherwise nothing is changed, if you want to do donuts before getting into park ferme you always could so long as you don't waste time/put people in danger etc.

That wasn't the way I read it - the exception allows the winner to perform an act of celebration "before reaching parc ferme". So I don't think what Vettel did in India will be allowed under the new rule either. As Dau points out, the only difference this might make is that the stewards may now be inclined to punish anybody other than the winner if they do doughnuts, because by having a rule expressly permitting doughnuts for the winner, the FIA appears to be suggesting that if you're not the winner, you can't do doughnuts.

This?

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=CfFTOUfhOu8

good to see the FIA still scrapping rules just for Vettel and Red Bull, what are the bets that a bad start to the season for them and the FIA do reverse grids or some **** to help them out.

yay

Donuts are compulsory in NASCAR/Indycar are they not?

 

The same rule should really apply in F1. 

They do seem compulsory in NASCAR/Indycar. Which is why it is tiresome and boring. I can't believe people are so excited by this.

Edited by Watkins74, 16 February 2014 - 08:45.

Why doesn't the FIA use their common sense in situations like these? It's the same with racing incidents. You don't allways have to have a black and white print of what you can and can not do.

They do seem compulsory in NASCAR/Indycar. Which is why it is tiresome and boring. I can't believe people are so excited by this.

'Muricah!

You're right, the new rule is totally unnecessary. I agree. But when penalties were given under the old rule, you had Christian Horner moaning about it and, if I remember rightly, at least half a dozen pages worth of posts on this forum of people agreeing with him, so it's not entirely surprising that the FIA has felt the need to spell it out.

 

You make an interesting point about non-winning drivers celebrating - it certainly wouldn't be out of place for Kobayashi to do doughnuts if he was fourth in Suzuka and, while we're at it, presumably if somebody wins the championship by finishing second in the last race, they could also fall foul of this rule. I agree with you that they shouldn't have introduced that extra stipulation. However, as far as I can see there is still nothing in the regulations banning doughnuts, so if somebody other than the race winner performs doughnuts, although the exception under Article 43.3 wouldn't apply, there's nothing forcing the stewards to regard the performance of doughnuts as an "unnecessary delay" and to dish out a penalty for it.

 

As for punching the President of the MCC's wife, it's probably a poor and unnecessarily fanciful example to pick out of the air, but people were mocking the fact that celebrations in F1 were regulated at all, the clear suggestion being that they shouldn't be, and I was pointing out that there can be circumstances where it is justifiable to do so.

Team principals moan about everything and so do people on online forums. We can't have new rules everytime that happens, can we?

You're right in that there's nothing in there specifically banning donuts, but when they explicitly allow 'celebrations' only for the winning driver, it could be deduced that they won't be allowed for everyone else. Of course, in the end, it will always be up to the stewards anyway. As any action other than driving straight back to the pits could be argued to be some sort of delay of either podium ceremony or your car proceeding to parc ferme, it's still going to be a subjective decision on when a delay actually constitutes a 'delay'. I don't think that paragraph is really helpful at all.

previous regulations forced Vettel to drive straight to parc ferme, ie doing what he did in India (driving past the pitlane into the s/f straight and doing donuts) was illegal, so he was penalized. Doing what he did in Abu Dhabi wasn't illegal under the previous rules, nor the current rules. Hamilton has done the same in Silverstone, while not winning the race, nobody cared/punished him like nobody cared/punished Vettel for his Abu Dhabi donuts and nobody will care/punish them this season. The new rule allows the race winner ONLY to do what Vettel did in India, otherwise nothing is changed, if you want to do donuts before getting into park ferme you always could so long as you don't waste time/put people in danger etc.

But it doesn't allow what Vettel did in India, as that would still be delaying the podium ceremony.

Well, they could rule the doughnuts mandatory.

I think FIA wanted this only because they dislike Vettel and now the closest he´ll get to a doughnut is when he´s having his pretzl in Heppenheim.

I wonder when they will regulate the angle under which driver can take a piss, or how he need to sit on, to take a ****. Like "elbows on the knees, 90 degree angle between chest and head, and stomach and thighs, can use toilet paper with left hand only".

Simply wow. Much freedom. FIA so understanding.

Teams are like spoiled little kids and the FIA are like the overindulging parents. Whine about something enough and they'll eventually give in.

>FIA does something right for a change

>everyone pissing and moaning anyway

No wonder it's hard to take real complaints seriously.

>FIA does something right for a change

>everyone pissing and moaning anyway

 

No wonder it's hard to take real complaints seriously.

The FIA are in a precarious position. On one hand then need to look after the safety of the drivers and fans but they also need to be mindful of not over regulating the sport. Letting a degree or fun slide as well. They gave us what we all wanted so we are all being hypocritical complaining and poking fun at them. Yourself included.

>FIA does something right for a change

>everyone pissing and moaning anyway

 

No wonder it's hard to take real complaints seriously.

but that's how it is mate. You are "Writer of 2013's Best Opening Post", we are simply commoners, we will whine anyway 

>FIA does something right for a change
>everyone pissing and moaning anyway

No wonder it's hard to take real complaints seriously.

Edited by ollebompa, 17 February 2014 - 08:17.

I wonder if it's even possible to do a donut with the new power units and brake by wire system??

Don't see why not. You can spin the rears up and presumably set the brake bias full forward.

I wonder when they will regulate the angle under which driver can take a piss, or how he need to sit on, to take a ****. Like "elbows on the knees, 90 degree angle between chest and head, and stomach and thighs, can use toilet paper with left hand only".

 

Simply wow. Much freedom. FIA so understanding.

 

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