Originally posted by IOU 16
Fixed it for you. The Dallara was only a second or two faster than the Audi's at St. Pete. The DP-01 is over 4-5 seconds faster than the Audi's at Long Beach.
Nice try kid, but your facts are wrong and your logic is wack. First, the Audis were not on pole at St. Pete or Long Beach (quickest one at LB was sixth). A Porsche LMP2 took pole with a 1:11.330 at LB. The Champ Car pole was 1:06.902. So the DP01 is not "over 4-5 seconds quicker" than the ALMS cars but exactly 4.428 seconds.
And all that is apples vs. oranges anyway. At St. Pete, this is how Champ Cars and Indy Cars compare in pole times, head to head:
2003 Lola-Cosworth 1:00.928 (Bourdais). Last time CART ran there.
2008 Dallara-Honda 1:02.532 (Kanaan).
So the difference between these two cars at St. Pete is bugger all of 1.604 seconds. Woop-de-doo. And the Panoz DP01 is a tick slower than the Lola. Kanaan's time at St. P was good enough for 8th on the grid at the last Champ Car race there.
How do the various cars stack up on a real, natural terrain road course? Let's have a look at Mid-Ohio:
Indy Car 2007 Helio 1:06.837 Dallara
Champ Car 2003 Tracy 1:07.058 (last year CC ran Mid-Ohio) Lola
Champ Car 1999 Dario 1:05.679 (Champ Car record) Reynard
ALMS 2007 Bernhard 1:08.510 (LMP2 on pole) Porsche
ALMS 2007 Gavin 1:16.568 GT1 pole Corvette C6R
Note the Dallara was actually a tick quicker than the Lola the last time the Lola ran at M-O.
But at the end of the day none of this means squat. You can throw a blanket over the Panoz and Dallara lap times at St. Pete or Mid-Ohio. Without a stopwatch no one can tell the difference. If you think you can you are imagining things. But more importantly: If you have any technical knowledge at all, you know all these cars are tightly regulated by their respective rulebooks. With any of these cars, you could take seconds per lap off or put seconds per lap on them with a few simple tweaks. All that is an engineering administrative decision by the series. Arguing which car is faster like it proves something is the most pointless exercise imaginable. Pure fanboy stuff.
If I were going to be that juvenile about it, I would simply point out that as they stack up today, the Dallara is the faster car by at least 25 mph. The Panoz DP01 never got a speedway aero package. It's not going much over 200 mph in legal trim and I don't care if you take it to Bonneville. At Indy the Dallara ran a lap average of ~226 mph in '07. With the one-step previous engine it ran over 230.