Silverstone, the British GP and Cloud Cuckoo land
#1
Posted 22 April 2008 - 10:47
If I were them I would thank Mr E very much for his kind offer but regret they must decline.... but then what do I know? Save the money and concentrate on good racing and promotion of up and coming talent.
Thats all.
Loti
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#2
Posted 22 April 2008 - 10:59
Seeing as there is though, they will not let it go.
#3
Posted 22 April 2008 - 11:03
I wonder if they'll change the layout apart from that...
I think they'll keep the GP though, when are the improvements scheduled to start?
#4
Posted 22 April 2008 - 11:06
Silverstone, whilst admittedly holding a lesser position than these two, does still have some privilege because of the history, and proximity of so many teams.
If I were Damon I'd front up to Bernie and say "Oi half-pint! We ain't gotcha ten mil, but we're having the race anyway!" as an opening gambit in the negotiations.
Not much to lose, really.
#5
Posted 22 April 2008 - 11:08
Which is a **** way to decide which tracks they race at; but Spa did something Silverstone has (thus far) not.
#6
Posted 22 April 2008 - 11:14
There are lots of ideas, lots of plans, lots of rumours and very little fact. On 02 April there was a large meeting between many of the major players and the planning permission request was referred back to the UK Government for a decision. There is one other potential sticking point which seems to relate to the plans for additional housing development on the other side (village side) of the A43. Regrettably there have been a couple of new NIMBY families move into the village who take great offence to having a race circuit nearby.
#7
Posted 22 April 2008 - 11:17
Originally posted by Suzy
Improvements cannot begin until planning permission is granted... and planning permission won't be granted unless Silverstone is guaranteed to host the British Grand Prix. The problem is that the British Grand Prix cannot be hosted at Silverstone (according to Bernie) until planning permission is granted...
There are lots of ideas, lots of plans, lots of rumours and very little fact. On 02 April there was a large meeting between many of the major players and the planning permission request was referred back to the UK Government for a decision. I gather that a major sticking point is additional housing development on the other side (village side) of the A43. Regrettably there have been a couple of new NIMBY families move into the village who take great offence to having a race circuit nearby.
Why does planning permission depend on the GP?
#8
Posted 22 April 2008 - 11:22
Originally posted by Clatter
Why does planning permission depend on the GP?
I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that question. Sorry about that. I can try and find out though.
#9
Posted 22 April 2008 - 12:24
Originally posted by Clatter
Why does planning permission depend on the GP?
No GP, no point in making the changes.
So, it's chicken and egg.
Bernie says he'll keep the race if they gurantee to make the changes.
Silverstone says it can't gurantee the changes unless its guaranteed the race.
Basically, nobody wants to do an Imola... those poor bastards have spent millions on updating their track, and will they get a grand prix in the next decade? No, not unless they pick the track up and all its new facilities and fly them out into the middle of a desert in a country nobody wants to visit.
#10
Posted 22 April 2008 - 12:25
Originally posted by Suzy
I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that question. Sorry about that. I can try and find out though.
Just curious as I can't see any reason why the planning dept would only let this through if the GP is there.
#11
Posted 22 April 2008 - 12:28
Originally posted by tidytracks
No GP, no point in making the changes.
So, it's chicken and egg.
I can agree with that, but that's not any business of the planning dept. It's up to the circuit owners what they spend their money on. Planning permission is to ensure the regs are met, and the buildings safe.
#12
Posted 22 April 2008 - 12:36
Originally posted by Clatter
I can agree with that, but that's not any business of the planning dept. It's up to the circuit owners what they spend their money on. Planning permission is to ensure the regs are met, and the buildings safe.
Yes but there's also a lot of land around there which would need to be developed, so I would imagine that the local council have put a veto on unnecessary development unless its benefits outweigh it not being built.
From what I understand of the situation, the problem lies just there.
Planning department won't allow all of that countryside to be developed for no purpose. If the grand prix was to be guaranteed for the next however long, then fine, there is a reason to develop the land.
But if all you're going to get is a bunch of useless buildings, hotels, a race track and grandstands that go largely unused (should the grand prix go elsewhere) then what's the point? It's just better to keep the land the way it is.
#13
Posted 22 April 2008 - 12:49
Originally posted by tidytracks
Yes but there's also a lot of land around there which would need to be developed, so I would imagine that the local council have put a veto on unnecessary development unless its benefits outweigh it not being built.
From what I understand of the situation, the problem lies just there.
Planning department won't allow all of that countryside to be developed for no purpose. If the grand prix was to be guaranteed for the next however long, then fine, there is a reason to develop the land.
But if all you're going to get is a bunch of useless buildings, hotels, a race track and grandstands that go largely unused (should the grand prix go elsewhere) then what's the point? It's just better to keep the land the way it is.
I can see what you mean, but still think it's wrong for the planning permission to depend on the GP. It's either right to develop the land, or it's not. An event that happens for a few days once a year should not influence them.
#14
Posted 22 April 2008 - 12:58
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Spa also came back with new facilities.
Ross, you will know the answer to this one.
Did Spa receive local/national government financial help?
#15
Posted 22 April 2008 - 13:02
It's not a straightforward process at all. I have listened to all sides of the story so far and there's never going to be a solution where all parties are happy with the outcome. My opinion (and I'll stress that it is an opinion) is that planning permission should be granted for the majority of the projects as it will secure Silverstone for other reasons rather than relying solely on the Grand Prix. There are events taking place nearly every weekend at the circuit and during the week too. If there were improved facilities then we may see even more people come through the gates but that is amy optimistic viewpoint.
#16
Posted 22 April 2008 - 13:18
I suspect it is a different agenda altogether (e.g. his dislike for the GPDA).
In any case, I thank Silverstone for a much improved road network in the area, appreciated by millions of motorists with no interest in going into the circuit, which would not have happened if it were not for the Grand Prix.
#17
Posted 22 April 2008 - 20:49
The market that F1 sells to is maily European, and so is the status. The US race is gone for now, if F1 became too much an Eastern championship, the sponsorship would dry up.
At the same time Bernie and Max are p*ssed of with Damon and the BRDC.
Max is weakened, Bernie's position may be weakened, and four of the F1 manufacturers have come out openly against Max, who looks set to cling on. That will really annoy them, I suspect.
Renault show no sign of winning and Carlos Ghosn is not a racing fan, he hasn't said anything in favour of Max and we might think that makes it likely he's against him. Add those factors to the races in France and Britain being alternated - Renault's biggest markets, Renault might pull out. That would leave Ferrari isolated.
I can see this going right to the brink. Possibly even, the trigger for end of F1 as we know it.
#18
Posted 22 April 2008 - 21:57
#19
Posted 22 April 2008 - 22:13
2003.Originally posted by LOTI
When was the last exciting British Grand Prix?
Just get someone to jump and run across the track ;)
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#20
Posted 22 April 2008 - 23:32
The new pits & paddock will be between Club and Abbey, with a new pit straight and reconfigurations of both corners. It's the first step in a 10-year proposal that will see a new manufacturer test centre, business park, extreme sport and lesiure complex, two hotels, a new university campus, a "Welcome centre" and some new homes near the circuit.
There also considering having a new heating & power system for the entire site. The new pits is designed by sport architects, HOK.
Damon's also stated as saying that "The British GP alone generates £30 million a year for the local area and it's vital we do everything we can to maintain this income"
Personally i think the new pit building looks ugly though.
#21
Posted 23 April 2008 - 01:04
If the FIA and FOM want to strike Silverstone, then I say call their bluff. They will soon discover that the losses in terms of prestige, money and interest will outweigh the benefits of a replacement race in Nowhereistan.
#22
Posted 23 April 2008 - 03:26
Originally posted by scheivlak
2003.
Just get someone to jump and run across the track ;)
damn, beat me to it!
#23
Posted 23 April 2008 - 03:55
Originally posted by howardt
When it came right down to the wire, he worked hard behind the scenes to make sure that Spa was on the F1 calendar.
Bernie has a vested interest in having Spa on the calendar. He owns all the concessions there I beleive
#24
Posted 23 April 2008 - 17:07
Originally posted by scheivlak
2003.
Just get someone to jump and run across the track ;)
What is Father Horan up to these days I wonder?
#25
Posted 23 April 2008 - 17:18
Originally posted by scheivlak
2003.
Just get someone to jump and run across the track ;)
In fact though the actual reason that race was good was because of the very high winds that meant all the cars' aerodynamics were less efficient and predictable, so in fact we have something even less easy to contrive, we can't just run around on the track, we actually have to make some sort of wind machine installed. Hopefully 2009 will allow better racing around the sweeping turns with the new aero rules... that's if there's still a race there :(.
The sad thing is that Bernie's tyrannical money-grabbing approach to forming the racing calendar is so familiar to us now that we don't even complain, we just all sit quietly and watch him slowly ruining the whole sport so that he can pocket some more money from his sheikh friends.
#26
Posted 23 April 2008 - 17:48
#27
Posted 24 April 2008 - 06:34
So what we need is: a sprinkler system, a wind machine [although this is just a tad unnecessary at Silverstone] a pedestrian crossing, cheap tickets, an open paddock and proper support races. Thats all.
#28
Posted 30 April 2008 - 23:24
The race in Britain has a siginificant historical value and should stay on the calender. Therefore I sincerely hope that both Bernie Ecclestone and Damon Hill do whatever it takes to continue the event. And may God help them.
#29
Posted 01 May 2008 - 00:30
#30
Posted 01 May 2008 - 00:50