Originally posted by Raelene
Josta
amazing then isn't it that the two biggest scandals to rock F1 involved Englishmen/english teams
Like the scandal involving the Ferrari employee you mean?
Posted 01 May 2008 - 00:23
Originally posted by Raelene
Josta
amazing then isn't it that the two biggest scandals to rock F1 involved Englishmen/english teams
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Posted 01 May 2008 - 01:44
Originally posted by Josta
It's a good job that it didn't happen in Maranello. Given the Italian tendancy towards corruption, if the situation was opposite, it would never have been discovered.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 01:46
Like the scandal involving the Ferrari employee you mean?
Posted 01 May 2008 - 10:32
The British Ferrari employee who served as a mole for a British team, to be more precise.Originally posted by Josta
Like the scandal involving the Ferrari employee you mean?
Posted 01 May 2008 - 10:34
I see.Originally posted by Josta
It's a good job that it didn't happen in Maranello. Given the Italian tendancy towards corruption, if the situation was opposite, it would never have been discovered.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 10:50
Britain and British people are the source of all evil are they not?Originally posted by giacomo
The British Ferrari employee who served as a mole for a British team, to be more precise.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 11:00
Posted 01 May 2008 - 11:10
You're right, I am having a laugh about the xenophobic British McLaren fanboys here. Does that make me xenophobic and narrow minded?Originally posted by StefanV
I find your attitude extremely disturbing actually. Do you really believe the things you post or are you just having a laugh? Wake up! Being narrow minded and xenophobic is NOT a demand for being a Ferrari fan. It is perfectly possible to like the cars, the F1 team, Italy and Ducati WITHOUT hating everything else.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 11:17
Alonso... maybe, but Lewis definitely not, both lewis and Kimi have had one really bad race each.Originally posted by MichaelPM
Best car clearly, best drivers is very debatable.
The way I see it,
Replace Kimi in Australia with Alonso or Hamilton and Ferrari would have more points.
Replace Massa in general with Alonso or Hamilton and Ferrari would have more points.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 11:26
It all depends if you mean what you write or not. But you are simply trolling?Originally posted by giacomo
You're right, I am having a laugh about the xenophobic British McLaren fanboys here. Does that make me xenophobic and narrow minded?
I don't think so.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 11:50
i feel the same way.Originally posted by wordsby
Just to get back to the original OP, my answer would be :
PEOPLE
it is only people who design the cars, build the cars, fix the cars, tweak the cars, drive the cars
You can have the best car in the world but without people you can do nothing and without good management of those people, they cannnot achieve.
So, I believe the Ferrari success is actually down to its team strengths
Posted 01 May 2008 - 12:13
Originally posted by MichaelPM
The way I see it,
Replace Kimi in Australia with Alonso or Hamilton and Ferrari would have more points.
Replace Massa in general with Alonso or Hamilton and Ferrari would have more points.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 12:24
Originally posted by Spunout
Replace Alonso or Hamilton with Räikkönen in 2007 and McLaren would have WDC.
Pointless speculation, you cannot know how driver X would have performed in car Y.
PS. I am wondering how Alonso or Hamilton was going to overcome that engine failure in Australia? I know they spend lots of time at gym, but pushing an F1 car for few extra laps sounds far fetched to me.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 12:41
Originally posted by Scudetto
Attempting to butress a weak argument with an even weaker ethnic stereotype proves nothing other than abject stupidity and ignorance.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 13:41
Kimi scored 1 point still, take away the needless spins and rally cross he would have been higher up the grid and completed more laps giving a much greater chance of scoring 2 points instead.Originally posted by Spunout
Replace Alonso or Hamilton with Räikkönen in 2007 and McLaren would have WDC.
Pointless speculation, you cannot know how driver X would have performed in car Y.
PS. I am wondering how Alonso or Hamilton was going to overcome that engine failure in Australia? I know they spend lots of time at gym, but pushing an F1 car for few extra laps sounds far fetched to me.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 16:35
Originally posted by MichaelPM
Best car clearly, best drivers is very debatable.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 17:08
Originally posted by HSJ
No more than the FACT that FA is a driver who drives below the level of a competent rookie. Below the level of Massa, for example. He'd score less points for Ferrari than Massa is scoring. Of course we don't know that for sure anymore than we know for sure anything, but those are the odds based on teammate comparisons.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 17:43
Originally posted by giacomo
I see.
So you dislike Switzerland because of their speeding policy, and you dislike Italy because of their tendency towards corruption.
How about other countries? What do you think about Germany, Spain, France?
Posted 01 May 2008 - 17:48
Originally posted by StefanV
that biggest part of last seasons championships for Ferrari [...] was guy in a copy shop.
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Posted 01 May 2008 - 17:53
Originally posted by MichaelPM
Best car clearly, best drivers is very debatable.
The way I see it,
Replace Kimi in Australia with Alonso or Hamilton and Ferrari would have more points.
Replace Massa in general with Alonso or Hamilton and Ferrari would have more points.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 17:54
What about KR then who despite being given points by his teammate only managed to score 1 point more than a rookie despite driving better car in 2007?Originally posted by HSJ
No more than the FACT that FA is a driver who drives below the level of a competent rookie. Below the level of Massa, for example. He'd score less points for Ferrari than Massa is scoring. Of course we don't know that for sure anymore than we know for sure anything, but those are the odds based on teammate comparisons.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 19:19
Posted 01 May 2008 - 20:53
Posted 01 May 2008 - 21:32
Originally posted by Johny Bravo
The way I see it.
Replace Massa with Alonso and Domenicali would have been blackmailed already by Fernando.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 21:45
Originally posted by HSJ
He'd score less points for Ferrari than Massa is scoring. Of course we don't know that for sure anymore than we know for sure anything, but those are the odds based on teammate comparisons.
Posted 01 May 2008 - 22:36
Hamilton had more luck. For example, the SC ruined everyone's race in Montreal, just the race, which happened to go well for Hamilton.Originally posted by pasadena
What about KR then who despite being given points by his teammate only managed to score 1 point more than a rookie despite driving better car in 2007?
Posted 01 May 2008 - 22:56
Bourdais, the next driver ahead in the classification, completed 2 more laps than Kimi and, considering that Kimi was on the lead lap at the time the engine quit, how do you figure it was possible to score more points? And that's just ignoring the face that both Alonso and Hamilton (as with all the drivers) have brutal races from time to time so what guarantee is there that either of them would have done any better starting from 15th (which was also do to a technical failure).Originally posted by MichaelPM
Kimi scored 1 point still, take away the needless spins and rally cross he would have been higher up the grid and completed more laps giving a much greater chance of scoring 2 points instead.
Posted 02 May 2008 - 08:15
Hamilton did have more luck, true. He was also favoured within his team. KR had overall the best car and help from his teammate during the last part of the season.Originally posted by micra_k10
Hamilton had more luck. For example, the SC ruined everyone's race in Montreal, just the race, which happened to go well for Hamilton.
Posted 02 May 2008 - 09:02
Posted 02 May 2008 - 11:24
Originally posted by britishtrident
Record number of races won in the court room
Postlethwaite Williams Garage break in
Record for number of number one drivers who walked ou mid-season
Record number of broken verbal agreements