the faster car/driver package hasto work harder, and its more entertaining to watch...
french gp, all the interest was in hamilton starting out of position, rather than kimi starting on pole and driving off into the distance...
Reverse grids?
Started by
Mauseri
, Jun 29 2008 10:55
54 replies to this topic
#51
Posted 30 June 2008 - 19:19
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#52
Posted 30 June 2008 - 20:04
Reversing the grids isn't the solution to make the racing better. Equalizing the cars is.
#53
Posted 30 June 2008 - 20:27
Just a head's up about the running/swimming comparisons; there is grid inequality based on something akin to qualifying. The fastest lanes (center or inside depending on situation) generally go to the athletes with the best times from the preliminary rounds.
I'm thinking I'm in somewhat of a minority this way, but I see F1 as a team competition. Everyone starts with the same rules and by a combination of engineering innovation, financing (getting it is a skill), adding drivers who are both fast and able to finish races and hours of work some teams come out on top and others falter. So be it. There are things I'd like different in F1 but it is what it is and there are plenty of other 'pure entertainment value' motorsports – a few of which I really enjoy – that offer a different scenario. F1 shouldn't need to go there, that niche is pretty full now.
I'm hoping the changes set for coming seasons might bring new/more teams to the forefront and would happily support frequent shakeups every few years – present teams with new challenges and let them solve the problems by any (safety-acceptable) means they wish. I guess I could live with spending caps as one of those challenges. Reversing grids, and similar ideas, IMO just ignores underlying reasons for less track action and further separates motorsport from the rest of the legitimate sports community.
I'm thinking I'm in somewhat of a minority this way, but I see F1 as a team competition. Everyone starts with the same rules and by a combination of engineering innovation, financing (getting it is a skill), adding drivers who are both fast and able to finish races and hours of work some teams come out on top and others falter. So be it. There are things I'd like different in F1 but it is what it is and there are plenty of other 'pure entertainment value' motorsports – a few of which I really enjoy – that offer a different scenario. F1 shouldn't need to go there, that niche is pretty full now.
I'm hoping the changes set for coming seasons might bring new/more teams to the forefront and would happily support frequent shakeups every few years – present teams with new challenges and let them solve the problems by any (safety-acceptable) means they wish. I guess I could live with spending caps as one of those challenges. Reversing grids, and similar ideas, IMO just ignores underlying reasons for less track action and further separates motorsport from the rest of the legitimate sports community.
#54
Posted 30 June 2008 - 20:46
If I was the FIA and have problems attracting new manufactures into the sport I would force the teams to enter a third car to improve the competition..
Ferrari - Massa, Kimi, Button
Mclaren - Kubica, Lewis, Rosberg
BMW - Nick, Webber, Alonso
Toyota - Senna, Trulli, Fisi
Renault - Bourdais, Liuzzi, JV
Honda - Rubens, Sutil, Kova
RedBull - Vettel, Dixon, Speed
Williams - Nakajima, Glock, __? (No money sorry)
Now, tell me that wouldn't be a fun championship to watch......
Ferrari - Massa, Kimi, Button
Mclaren - Kubica, Lewis, Rosberg
BMW - Nick, Webber, Alonso
Toyota - Senna, Trulli, Fisi
Renault - Bourdais, Liuzzi, JV
Honda - Rubens, Sutil, Kova
RedBull - Vettel, Dixon, Speed
Williams - Nakajima, Glock, __? (No money sorry)
Now, tell me that wouldn't be a fun championship to watch......
#55
Posted 01 July 2008 - 12:41
Reverse grids? No Way!
Unless...
If you mandate that every driver should be blue flagged if the car immediately behind him can stay within 0.5 of a second (or whatever is resonable) for over a lap and has to allow the pass. (I believe that was the spirit of the blue flag in the first place.)
That way you do not get the disadvantage to faster cars/drivers of someone being able to block successfully for multiple laps despite an obviously slower car. Or circuits where it is almost impossible to overtake.
If cars are evenly matched, then the overtake driver would get their chance to get their position back.
Unless...
If you mandate that every driver should be blue flagged if the car immediately behind him can stay within 0.5 of a second (or whatever is resonable) for over a lap and has to allow the pass. (I believe that was the spirit of the blue flag in the first place.)
That way you do not get the disadvantage to faster cars/drivers of someone being able to block successfully for multiple laps despite an obviously slower car. Or circuits where it is almost impossible to overtake.
If cars are evenly matched, then the overtake driver would get their chance to get their position back.