All time low?
#1
Posted 07 December 2008 - 17:49
#3
Posted 07 December 2008 - 18:15
The 1969 French GP too.Originally posted by FLB
The 1968 Spanish Grand Prix only had 13 starters.
#4
Posted 07 December 2008 - 18:27
#5
Posted 07 December 2008 - 18:54
Doesn't Bernie own all the teams?
#6
Posted 07 December 2008 - 19:16
Originally posted by Formula Once
Yeah, I know. I am not talking 'bout grid sizes here, I am talking about the number of different team owners.
There were only 4 teams at the 1956 and 1957 Argentine GP!
The 1958 Argentine GP had the smallest grid ever: only 10 cars, but from 7 different teams.
#7
Posted 07 December 2008 - 19:19
Well, let's see, then (Spain 1968) :Originally posted by Formula Once
Yeah, I know. I am not talking 'bout grid sizes here, I am talking about the number of different team owners.
Chris Amon - Ferrari (Enzo Ferrari)
Jacky Ickx - Ferrari (Enzo Ferrari)
Ludovico Scarfiotti Cooper-BRM (Chipstead Motor Group)
Brian Redman Cooper-BRM (Chipstead Motor Group)
Denny Hulme McLaren (McLaren Cars)
Bruce McLaren McLaren-Ford (McLaren Cars)
Pedro Rodríguez BRM (Rubery Owen)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise Matra-Ford (Ken Tyrrell)
Graham Hill Lotus-Ford (ACB Chapman)
John Surtees Honda (Presumably Soichiro Honda)
Jochen Rindt Brabham-Repco (Motor Racing Developments, i.e. Jack Brabham and Ron Tauranac)
Jo Siffert Lotus-Ford (Rob Walker)
Piers Courage BRM (Tim Parnell, works-supported)
10 owners
#8
Posted 07 December 2008 - 19:54
#9
Posted 07 December 2008 - 23:35
Originally posted by Ray Bell
Team owners?
Doesn't Bernie own all the teams?
Yes Ray, just as the France family does of NASCAR and Tony does with that other group here in the USofA.
And all have managed just about as good as the Big Three being discussed in that other thread.
There are a bunch of looser's at the current time!
Rich, but loosers!
Henry
#10
Posted 08 December 2008 - 00:00
#11
Posted 08 December 2008 - 08:01
What about some of the oddball races... like Italy in 1960?
#12
Posted 08 December 2008 - 08:23
#13
Posted 08 December 2008 - 08:50
One of the great spectacles of this year in racing was the ALMS and the close and exciting racing, made more so by the need to overtake slower cars that in turn are racing in their own class. It would also give a number of the current F1 drivers some much needed incentive to race a bit harder, to stop the ultimate embarrassment of being beaten by an F2 car.
Steve
#14
Posted 08 December 2008 - 08:53
#15
Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:16
Originally posted by SWB
Its easy, do what they used to do, and merge F1 and 'F2' grids (like the '67 German GP).
One of the great spectacles of this year in racing was the ALMS and the close and exciting racing, made more so by the need to overtake slower cars that in turn are racing in their own class. It would also give a number of the current F1 drivers some much needed incentive to race a bit harder, to stop the ultimate embarrassment of being beaten by an F2 car.
Steve
Good point Steve and I have often wondered why NASCAR has not developed some road circuit events at places like Daytona and Lowes where their fans can see the ENTIRE track.
Henry
#16
Posted 08 December 2008 - 10:28
#17
Posted 08 December 2008 - 12:15
Originally posted by ensign14
We've a way to go before we get to 1926 levels...
....but, they're working on it.
#18
Posted 08 December 2008 - 12:53
Originally posted by HDonaldCapps
....but, they're working on it.
They seem hell bent on breaking the record!
#19
Posted 08 December 2008 - 16:05
Not sure how you define a team.There was only ONE works team-Ferrari.Rob Walkers private Cooper and 6 private Maseratis-I think most if not all of these were looked after by the ex works mechanics?Originally posted by scheivlak
The 1958 Argentine GP had the smallest grid ever: only 10 cars, but from 7 different teams.
1969 was the last season when the F1 entry was worse than it is now.
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#20
Posted 08 December 2008 - 16:25
#21
Posted 08 December 2008 - 16:50
I'll get me coat...
Justin
#22
Posted 08 December 2008 - 16:57
I've already got mine..........
Paul M
#23
Posted 08 December 2008 - 17:06
You will soon be able to buy Honda from there...Originally posted by Macca
.............and STR will be known as Poundland!
#24
Posted 08 December 2008 - 17:10
#25
Posted 08 December 2008 - 17:14
#26
Posted 08 December 2008 - 17:22
#27
Posted 08 December 2008 - 17:39
Originally posted by Rob29
1969 was the last season when the F1 entry was worse than it is now.
I suspect you meant 'smaller', though for a variety of reasons, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with your original choice of words.
#28
Posted 08 December 2008 - 20:50
Originally posted by Rob29
Not sure how you define a team.There was only ONE works team-Ferrari.Rob Walkers private Cooper and 6 private Maseratis-I think most if not all of these were looked after by the ex works mechanics?
1969 was the last season when the F1 entry was worse than it is now.
I count 3 works Ferraris, the Rob Walker Cooper and 6 private Maseratis from 5 different teams - see http://www.forix.com...&r=19580001&c=1
#29
Posted 08 December 2008 - 21:39
DCN
#30
Posted 08 December 2008 - 21:43
Ah, I see!Originally posted by Doug Nye
Might you consider that Rob meant "there was only one works team (and that was Ferrari...") - which would, strictly speaking, be correct.
DCN
But I was just try to follow the intentions of the thread starter ("how many team owners").
#31
Posted 08 December 2008 - 21:54
But I was just try to follow the intentions of the thread starter ("how many team owners").
However, I think that it is clear that he is using the term "team owners" in its present context, its current operational definition, not as it was used historically.
#32
Posted 08 December 2008 - 21:55
14 starters 7 teams
OK It's an anomaly but...
#33
Posted 08 December 2008 - 22:13
#34
Posted 08 December 2008 - 22:26
Well, just because he was referring to 1970 - a rather bad example because it was a year with surprisingly fuller grids than '69 BTW!- it looked to me like he included the Rob Walkers and Colin Crabbes of the day as team owners.Originally posted by HDonaldCapps
However, I think that it is clear that he is using the term "team owners" in its present context, its current operational definition, not as it was used historically.
#35
Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:10
As for the definition of 'team owner', things have changed of course.
#36
Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:40
Originally posted by LB
Imola 1982
14 starters 7 teams
OK It's an anomaly but...
Given that practice and qualifying results are generally 'unofficial' what about Indy 2005?
#37
Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:45
#38
Posted 09 December 2008 - 11:18
Originally posted by Arjan de Roos
Is it only a matter of time for the FIA to abandon the strictly-two-cars-per-team rule? It would be nice to see Jenson in the fourth McLaren next year as well as Vettel in the fifth Ferrari!!
How about Nigel Mansell in the seventeenth Williams?