Porsche 917/30 - Porsche Museum

Originally posted by Ted Walker
What a shame to restore it.It looks just like a racing car should .

Originally posted by SWB
They never looked all that good when new, but I like the patina.Steve

Originally posted by Duc-Man
I'm not that good in Porsche typology: do I understand it right that this is the car that was used in '72 to develop the actuall raceversion of the 917/30?

Originally posted by RA Historian
A bit off of the subject of this thread but related. What is the history of the 917-30 that a Lance King drove in some US vintage races some eight to ten years ago? Somebody told me that it was an ex-Kauhsen Interserie car. Is that right?
Tom

Originally posted by 917historian
Next to the 917/30 is a new 917/30 frame.
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Originally posted by Mark Bennett
Hope it's not the one they are going to use - It's not the same... Look at the roll hoops...

Originally posted by Mark Bennett
It seems that many of the cars in the museum are being "restored". A real pity as they all looked well used but "honest" before. Now they will look brand new (or better ) and all the history will be gone.

Originally posted by MCH
Both chassis are the same around the roll hoop. To integrate the roll hoop with the bodywork they are clad in non structural fibreglass, hence the different appearance.

Originally posted by mfd

Personally I can't see it, the other chassis looks more like a 917-10, (the pre turbo one)

Originally posted by 917historian


The car that Lance King Drove was 917/30.006 that was yellow and carried Bosch Sponsership. The car was and still is owned by Chris Gruys.

The history of this chassis is that the build started on this car in 1973 along with -004 and -005 as the intended race cars for Donohue/Penske for the 1974 season. Following Porsche's decision to withdraw from the CanAm series in 1974 due to rule changes the build was suspended.

Vasek Polak purchased 917/30.006 as a part built frame in 1979. Over the following years the car was built into a complete 917/30 using parts from Vasek Polak's huge spares inventory in Hermosa Beach. The car was demonstrated at various historic events on the West Coast of America normally driven bu Milt Minter. Following Polak's sad death the car was purchased by Chris Gruys.

Originally posted by Duc-Man
Like I stated before: I'm not a Porsche expert! But I got pretty good in finding stuff on the web.

Originally posted by mfd

Absolutely - nice hunting

There's a question...I wonder what the frame number is alongside the Martini 10-30 ?

Originally posted by 917historian
May be if some one goes to the museum they could ask the question assuming that it has one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by mfd

For the benefit of anyone going, can you indicate where the chassis number should be, Mike?

Originally posted by mfd

Personally I can't see it, the other chassis looks more like a 917-10, (the pre turbo one)

Originally posted by MCH
Yes it does. My comment was about the photo with development 917/30 and the chassis next to it. The development 917/30 clearly features a 917/10 roll hoop. On the final 917/30 they're different alright.

Originally posted by mfd


I wasn't trying to be contentious, I'm always happy to find out something I didn't know, which I have

I think of a 917-10 as the the Can-Am/Interserie version, either with or without a Turbo. The Martini liveried car, I know as 917-10/30, this being a development towards the Sunoco 917-30. Is this correct?

Originally posted by 917historian
Mike, I think that 917/30-001 was more of a 917/10 than a 917/30, yes it was a development for the 2 Sunoco car (917/30-002 & -003). Other than its been named as a 917/30 I think every thing about the chassis was '917/10'. The main purpose of the chassis was to test parts and wheelbase variations for the forcoming Sunoco chassis, As mentioned in an earlier post the chassis was built to accomodate 3 different sizes of centre sections.

Originally posted by mfd


So if the (lets call it) Martini as it sits in the museum currently has all the marks that show it would / could be cut & shut (if you excuse the terminology) to accomodate wheelbase developments, then if it's re-chassied, if that's the plan, then it will probably just become another 917-10 or 917-30...hope you follow what I'm thinking?

Originally posted by 917historian
It would be great if they did a video of the restoration as Gunnar Racing are currently doing with the ex Rosso Bianco 917.

Originally posted by fbarrett


Mike:

Is that 917/10-015?

Thanks,

Frank

Originally posted by 917historian
The restoration can be viewed at Kevin Jeanette's Blog (Gunnar Racing) : http://kevinshands.blogspot.com/

Originally posted by markpde
although Kevin clearly intends to let the evidence speak for itself:

Originally posted by 917historian
Looks like the Martini 917/30.001 is at long last going to get a restoration.

Originally posted by mfd

I've just read the Frankel piece in Motor Sport about the museum & find it astounding that this self confessed Porsche fanatic, had never known of this particular cars existence...he says, when he first approached it, he thought it was a 908...he also says Porsche just "knocked up" a new spaceframe to rebuild it.
I think he earns money writing articles like this

Originally posted by 917historian


Mike, I find that amazing. Don't believe that the chassis has just been "knock up".

Knowing how Porsche seem to have frames in storage for years. Would love to go aground there "garages" at Weissach. As I said in an earlier post, there was a spare frame in the old museum. The photo of the frame in the Museum garage(post1) looks exactly like the old in the old museum (post 15)

Originally posted by mfd


Agreed Mike! Perhaps the writer could keep himself better informed by reading TNF ;)

Originally posted by 917historian
917/30-001 will lose its individuality by not having a frame that can have its wheelbase changed. That after all was what it was built for!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by 917historian
Back to the chassis plates, the /10 and /30 had the plates is slightly different positions :/10 one the R/H side near the roll bar attachment. Chassis Number 917/10-001

Originally posted by Tony Matthews



The chassis plate on the Leo Kinnunen 917/10 was in a slightly different position, RH side of the top rear cross tube. I can't find my photos at the moment, so don't know the number.

Originally posted by 917historian
Knowing how Porsche seem to have frames in storage for years. Would love to go aground there "garages" at Weissach. As I said in an earlier post, there was a spare frame in the old museum. The photo of the frame in the Museum garage(post1) looks exactly like the old in the old museum (post 15)

Edited by Cam2InfoNeeded, 18 September 2009 - 02:51.