Paris-Roubaix
#1
Posted 03 February 2009 - 15:15
Despite searching the net I can only find references to the pedal cyclists. Does anybody know anything about the motorised section, such as entries and results?
John
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#2
Posted 03 February 2009 - 15:23
All I have however is a note for the 1898 race saying "see Autocar 1923" - and I no longer have 1923 Autocars
#3
Posted 03 February 2009 - 17:09
#4
Posted 03 February 2009 - 17:50
As you say the mentions on the web imply that motorised vehicles were used for pacing which was undoubtedly the case but Rose states that the first motor-cycle race was won by Degrais in 7 hours and 29 mins in April 1898. Could it be that this race was on a different day to the cycle event?
On 11-12 May 1898 the race for motor-cycles, Paris-Bordeauux, was titled the Criterium des Entraineurs and the Tricycle class was won by Jean Corre on a de Dion-Bouton. "Le Velo" organised this race as well as the Paris-Roubaix. Maybe the Entraineurs had their own race from Paris-Roubaix?
John
#5
Posted 03 February 2009 - 18:59
#6
Posted 03 February 2009 - 22:51
Originally posted by humphries
Jean
As you say the mentions on the web imply that motorised vehicles were used for pacing which was undoubtedly the case but Rose states that the first motor-cycle race was won by Degrais in 7 hours and 29 mins in April 1898. Could it be that this race was on a different day to the cycle event?
On 11-12 May 1898 the race for motor-cycles, Paris-Bordeauux, was titled the Criterium des Entraineurs and the Tricycle class was won by Jean Corre on a de Dion-Bouton. "Le Velo" organised this race as well as the Paris-Roubaix. Maybe the Entraineurs had their own race from Paris-Roubaix?
John
Lots of Bicycleracers became later car drivers or had something else to do with motorsport.
Some names; Albert Champion, Henri & Maurice Farman, Henri Fournier, Thaddäus Robl, Jack William Stocks, Selwyn Francis Edge, Jean Marie Corre, Fernand Charron, Ugo Sivocci, Ralph DePalma etc.
From Paris-Roubaix I have
1-5-1898: 1. Degrais (De Dion) 180 miles/ 7:29
2-4-1899: 1. Osmont (De Dion) 180 miles/ 5:35.30
0-0-1900: 1. Paul Baras (??) 52 entries. 19 starters
For early motoracing (bikes) you may try
http://racingmemo.fr...TO_SOMMAIRE.htm
Gerrit Stevens
#7
Posted 03 February 2009 - 22:55
Originally posted by gerrit stevens
From Paris-Roubaix I have
1-5-1898: 1. Degrais (De Dion) 180 miles/ 7:29
2-4-1899: 1. Osmont (De Dion) 180 miles/ 5:35.30
0-0-1900: 1. Paul Baras (??) 52 entries. 19 starters
The date of the bicycle races
1898 10 April
1899 2 April
1900 16 April
1901 7 April
So perhaps the tricycle races were on 16-4-1900 and 6-4-1901 (if there was any).
Gerrit Stevens
#8
Posted 04 February 2009 - 15:58
1898-04-10, 287 km, 1 Henri Degrais, 7:29', etc.
1899-04-02, 1 Georges Osmont (De Dion-Bouton), 5:35', (2 Léon Théry (Decauville)?), etc.
1900-04-??, 1 Paul Baras, etc. (29 starters, 52 entries)
Btw, Apr 16 in 1900 was Easter Monday, the other dates were Easter Sundays.
#9
Posted 04 February 2009 - 16:18
Delsaux's Chronique du Sport Automobile Mondial quotes:Originally posted by gerrit stevens
From Paris-Roubaix I have
1-5-1898: 1. Degrais (De Dion) 180 miles/ 7:29
2-4-1899: 1. Osmont (De Dion) 180 miles/ 5:35.30
0-0-1900: 1. Paul Baras (??) 52 entries. 19 starters
Gerrit Stevens
16-04-00: 1. Baras (Perfecta)
Fred
#10
Posted 04 February 2009 - 18:32
So it appears there were distinct races for the tricycles and odd motos.
Michael, the etcs? Just what I'm looking for!!
John
#11
Posted 04 February 2009 - 20:06
#12
Posted 07 February 2009 - 20:21
Paris-Roubaix 02-04-1899
Motorcycles
57 starters (list available, if there is interest)
mostly tricycles, only two 2 bicycles and 3 tandems
27 competitors finished in time
1. Osmont 5:35:30
2. Béconnais 5:45:15
3. Girardot 6:02
4. Vasseur 6:09:10
5. Caron 6:24:30
6. Rolland 6:31
7. Baras 6:36:45
8. Hugues 6:54
9. Echalié 6:57
10. Prince 7:02
11. Oury 7:03
12. Lepoutre 7:20
13. Bar 7:24
14. Ducom 7:25
#13
Posted 07 February 2009 - 20:26
YES, yes, yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesy...Originally posted by Henk
57 starters (list available, if there is interest)
#14
Posted 08 February 2009 - 11:40
Interested? Most certainly. Well, half a dozen of us! Are the tricycle manufacturers mentioned?
Thanks
#15
Posted 08 February 2009 - 17:24
Composed after two somewhat controversial listings in ‘Le Petit Parisien’ and ‘La Presse’.
Subject to further correction/amendment.
Tricycle manufactures not mentioned.
Bicycle makes: Phébus (1), Werner (1)
Tandem makes: Chouberski (2), Dussart (1)
Accou brothers (tandem), Achille, Ajax, Auto
Bar, Baras, Bardin, Bastaert, Bataillelie (or Bataiellie), Béconnais, Bourgine
Caron, Chenard, Christophle (or Christophe), Courbe,
Deckert, Degré (Degrais ?), Duval, Ducom
Echalié
Gaëtan de Meaulne, Girardot, Gori, Grandclaude brothers (tandem), Griet
Hébert, Hugues
Isidore
Kuhling
Lamberjack, Lamon, Learle, Lefebvre, Léonard, Lepoutre, Lopard
Nicolas
Osmont, Oury
Perrault (or Perault), Ponscarme and Robinet (tandem), Prince
Quantin de la Roere
Renoire, Ricard, Rigal, Rolland
Scigriol
Teste, Théodore, Tisci, Tronchon (or Trouchon)
Vasseur, Verdal (or Verdol), Vigneaux
Walcker, Weidenfeller, Whitechurch, Wilfrid
#16
Posted 08 February 2009 - 17:32
Paris-Roubaix 10-04-1898
1. Degrais 7:29 (Victor Mathieu tricycle)
2. Osmont 8:34
3. Marot 8:34
Paris-Roubaix 15-04-1900
1. Baras 3:48
2. Tart 4:28
3. Vasseur 4:40
4. Bataillelie (or Bataiellie) 5:02
5. Collignon 5:16
6. Delisle
7. Ghénard
8. Bathiat
#17
Posted 09 February 2009 - 07:19
Thanks, Henk!
#18
Posted 23 September 2009 - 07:30
On 11-12 May 1898 the race for motor-cycles, Paris-Bordeauux, was titled the Criterium des Entraineurs and the Tricycle class was won by Jean Corre on a de Dion-Bouton. "Le Velo" organised this race as well as the Paris-Roubaix. Maybe the Entraineurs had their own race from Paris-Roubaix?
John
John
Are you sure Jean Marie Corre won the race?
I thought he was 4th and driving a Fouillaron with Dion engine
(He was director of the Fouillaron compagnie till 1901)
12-05-1898 I Criterium des Entraneurs ´Paris/Bordeaux´
1) René de Knijff - voiture Panhard
2) Fernand Charron - voiture Panhard
3) Breuil - voiture Panhard
4) Jean Marie Corre - voiture de Dion ( Fouillaron )
J.M.Corre sur Tricycle
www.corre-lalicorne.com
Edited by corre-lalicorne.com, 23 September 2009 - 07:32.
#19
Posted 23 September 2009 - 08:45
John
Are you sure Jean Marie Corre won the race?
I thought he was 4th and driving a Fouillaron with Dion engine
(He was director of the Fouillaron compagnie till 1901)
12-05-1898 I Criterium des Entraneurs ´Paris/Bordeaux´
1) René de Knijff - voiture Panhard
2) Fernand Charron - voiture Panhard
3) Breuil - voiture Panhard
4) Jean Marie Corre - voiture de Dion ( Fouillaron )
J.M.Corre sur Tricycle
www.corre-lalicorne.com
I don't see the problem. The first three were cars, so Corre was the first motor(tri)cycle as the picture shows.
Gerrit Stevens
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#20
Posted 23 September 2009 - 10:13
You are absolutly wright, i am sorry that i did'nt noticed.I don't see the problem. The first three were cars, so Corre was the first motor(tri)cycle as the picture shows.
Gerrit Stevens