Rubens' worst nightmare...
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:02
Imagine for a moment the following scenario....we come down to the second last race of the season, Brawn has been strong all year and both drivers have a shot at the title. Rubens is leading the race and if he wins all he needs is to finish in the points in the final race and he will be world champion, but...Right behind him is Jenson, if Rubens lets him past Jenson is world champion right there and then.....a certain Mr Brawn is on the radio too, "the beer is in the fridge Rubens, the beer is in the fridge...understand?"....[Rubens]"no not again...Michael...no..no..."
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:08
I think there's no way Rubens would gift title to Jenson if he can still win it. Not a chance.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:13
Jenson would not want to win it that way either he would want to win out right
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:16
The beer is in the fridge lol 
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:22
I think if if this scenario arose in Rubens mind. The beer and a lot of it would be in Rubens.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:28
Originally posted by Roger39 "the beer is in the fridge Rubens, the beer is in the fridge...understand?"
"You must find the jade monkey before the next full moon"...
I think Rubens would gladly risk getting the sack (surely he wouldn't be sacked on the spot if he was subsequently in a better WDC position for the last GP, but only after the season ends, right?). He's in a stage of his career where there are not going to be many next chances.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:29
Why would he pull over? He'd never get the chance again, and his career is nearly over as is so why not go out as a World Champion having given them all the finger?
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:39
I'm pretty sure the situation, as described, is mathematically impossible...
That said, on a less anally spoilsporty note, if it's the last race of the season and the WDC is between the two Brawn drivers who are tied in points, Rubens leads and Jenson is second and it's the last lap of the race... No, I would not expect Rubens to move over. Amazingly enough, I don't think Ross Brawn would even dream of asking him to, either.
That said, on a less anally spoilsporty note, if it's the last race of the season and the WDC is between the two Brawn drivers who are tied in points, Rubens leads and Jenson is second and it's the last lap of the race... No, I would not expect Rubens to move over. Amazingly enough, I don't think Ross Brawn would even dream of asking him to, either.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:41
I guess it depends on what beer it is...
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:44
I think he'd rather be fired as World Champion than to continue racing after giving it up.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:56
He said on Saturday when asked about that very scenario that he wouldn't listen this time.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 12:57
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
He said on Saturday when asked about that very scenario that he wouldn't listen this time.
"but Rubens, the beer is in the fridge..."
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 13:22
Originally posted by kismet
That said, on a less anally spoilsporty note, if it's the last race of the season and the WDC is between the two Brawn drivers who are tied in points, Rubens leads and Jenson is second and it's the last lap of the race... No, I would not expect Rubens to move over. Amazingly enough, I don't think Ross Brawn would even dream of asking him to, either.
What he said.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 13:27
This is simple. At least this is what i will do. Win the race and then say that you didn't get the meaning of the beer in the fridge innuendo.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 13:34
Hey guys...I really like the performance of the Brawns...but it was only one race until now...
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 13:35
Ahhhh, but the scenario is slightly different - with one race to go;
1. Jenson Button - 95 points
2. Ruebens - 94 points
3. Hamilton - 92 points
Ruebens is leading and on course to snatch the WDC from his fancied team mate who is lying in second place and the current WDC, Hamilton is a in 3rd place keeping a watching brief. Both Brawn drivers are aware this is perhaps their one and only chance of a WDC and the 2nd place driver, Button, has better race pace.
What does Ross tell them to do? race each other and risk taking each other out and thereby handing a successive WDC to Hamilton.
What would you do
1. Jenson Button - 95 points
2. Ruebens - 94 points
3. Hamilton - 92 points
Ruebens is leading and on course to snatch the WDC from his fancied team mate who is lying in second place and the current WDC, Hamilton is a in 3rd place keeping a watching brief. Both Brawn drivers are aware this is perhaps their one and only chance of a WDC and the 2nd place driver, Button, has better race pace.
What does Ross tell them to do? race each other and risk taking each other out and thereby handing a successive WDC to Hamilton.
What would you do
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 13:36
Brawn can say what he likes, even shout it over the radio as per Sunday, but there's no way Rubens would bend over.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 13:38
Originally posted by fed up
Ahhhh, but the scenario is slightly different - with one race to go;
1. Jenson Button - 95 points
2. Ruebens - 94 points
3. Hamilton - 92 points
Ruebens is leading and on course to snatch the WDC from his fancied team mate who is lying in second place and the current WDC, Hamilton is a in 3rd place keeping a watching brief. Both Brawn drivers are aware this is perhaps their one and only chance of a WDC and the 2nd place driver, Button, has better race pace.
What does Ross tell them to do? race each other and risk taking each other out and thereby handing a successive WDC to Hamilton.
What would you do
Keep the faster driver in second since he'll be able to hold off Hamilton ensuring a team 1-2.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 13:39
The worst nightmare after sensuous meeting between Brawn and MS in the paddock is Michael`s voice in the ears, that forces him to wake up: "Rubens, let Jenson pass to ze championship !"
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 13:50
Originally posted by RoutariEnjinu
Brawn can say what he likes, even shout it over the radio as per Sunday, but there's no way Rubens would bend over.
He fu.cking better not, either. I'd go from rooting for him to being disgusted with him.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 13:56
Actually, I would guess that Rubens' worst nightmare right now is wondering if he'll be able to outqualify Button. Jenson seems very comfortable with the car in race trim and seems to be able to set very quick times (and consistent longer stints) easier than Rubens. This could indicate that he is just quicker than Barrichello with fuel on board. So it's possible we could see a repeat of Melbourne over and over, with Rubens being slightly quicker in Q1 and Q2 but losing out with fuel on board in Q3.
Maybe he just got the setup wrong (he said understeer this week) but my bet is that he knows that he has to find speed in those conditions to have any chance at the WDC.
Maybe he just got the setup wrong (he said understeer this week) but my bet is that he knows that he has to find speed in those conditions to have any chance at the WDC.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 13:59
Let both BrawnGP drivers do their maximum racepace. That is, let the faster pass. Otherwise Hamilton will overtake them both.Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Keep the faster driver in second since he'll be able to hold off Hamilton ensuring a team 1-2.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 14:24
He'll never pull over.
Button and Brawn are not the same menace like it was in the Schumi days for Rubens.....
Button and Brawn are not the same menace like it was in the Schumi days for Rubens.....
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 14:26
Originally posted by micra_k10
Let both BrawnGP drivers do their maximum racepace. That is, let the faster pass. Otherwise Hamilton will overtake them both.
Nah Jenson could hold him off. Leaving Rubens to the wolves means you risk finishing 1-3. Hamilton isn't going to get them both.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 14:29
It will depend on what the standings are the race before... because in this scenario, I don't think either Brawn (or Virgin or whatever it's called by then) will finish the race.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 14:30
Originally posted by fed up
Ahhhh, but the scenario is slightly different - with one race to go;
1. Jenson Button - 95 points
2. Ruebens - 94 points
3. Hamilton - 92 points
Ruebens is leading and on course to snatch the WDC from his fancied team mate who is lying in second place and the current WDC, Hamilton is a in 3rd place keeping a watching brief. Both Brawn drivers are aware this is perhaps their one and only chance of a WDC and the 2nd place driver, Button, has better race pace.
What does Ross tell them to do? race each other and risk taking each other out and thereby handing a successive WDC to Hamilton.
What would you do
at this point each driver should drive for themselves and forget about the team. If they get fired so be it..
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 14:44
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Why would he pull over? He'd never get the chance again, and his career is nearly over as is so why not go out as a World Champion having given them all the finger?
A leopard doesn't change its spots... or more approriate in this case, a rabbit won't grow lions teeth...
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 14:45
Originally posted by as65p
A leopard doesn't change its spots... or more approriate in this case, a rabbit won't grow lions teeth...
A Rubens wont turn down a cold one.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 14:47
Originally posted by as65p
A leopard doesn't change its spots... or more approriate in this case, a rabbit won't grow lions teeth...
But I thought his problem was his Ferrari contract required him to pull over? I imagine he won't have the same problems at Brawn...
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 14:48
Originally posted by fed up
Ahhhh, but the scenario is slightly different - with one race to go;
1. Jenson Button - 95 points
2. Ruebens - 94 points
3. Hamilton - 92 points
Ruebens is leading and on course to snatch the WDC from his fancied team mate who is lying in second place and the current WDC, Hamilton is a in 3rd place keeping a watching brief. Both Brawn drivers are aware this is perhaps their one and only chance of a WDC and the 2nd place driver, Button, has better race pace.
What does Ross tell them to do? race each other and risk taking each other out and thereby handing a successive WDC to Hamilton.
What would you do
Ross should only say one thing - "Guys, don't go and pull a McLaren and Lewis on me now." And I think Rubens and Jenson are both experienced and smart enough to not do just such a thing.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 15:04
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
But I thought his problem was his Ferrari contract required him to pull over? I imagine he won't have the same problems at Brawn...
Whatever his contract was, there are drivers who wouldn't stay as long in a position like he had at Ferrari. And usually those drivers become champions.
Of course it's a bit of an unkown factor how tough (or not) Button would get in the moment of truth.
Between Barrichello and MS the vast difference of character was never more apparent than in that moment at Monaco were MS overtook his teammate on the last lap (2005?). Afterwards MS didn't know what all the fuss was about while Rubens was taken completely off guard...
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 15:23
Originally posted by as65p
Between Barrichello and MS the vast difference of character was never more apparent than in that moment at Monaco were MS overtook his teammate on the last lap (2005?). Afterwards MS didn't know what all the fuss was about while Rubens was taken completely off guard...
I think it was 2005. That move was one example of why Schumacher was Champion so many times. He just never gave up...
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 15:31
Originally posted by fed up
Ahhhh, but the scenario is slightly different - with one race to go;
1. Jenson Button - 95 points
2. Ruebens - 94 points
3. Hamilton - 92 points
Ruebens is leading and on course to snatch the WDC from his fancied team mate who is lying in second place and the current WDC, Hamilton is a in 3rd place keeping a watching brief. Both Brawn drivers are aware this is perhaps their one and only chance of a WDC and the 2nd place driver, Button, has better race pace.
What does Ross tell them to do? race each other and risk taking each other out and thereby handing a successive WDC to Hamilton.
What would you do
nothing can be done, Hamilton will overtake both of them
on a serious note, Ruebens is at a stage in his career that he couldnt care less, he will go for the WDC if he has a decent shot, and none can blame him
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 15:39
The worst nightmare of Rubens is Rubens himself.. Austrialia has shown that he will take himself out of championship fight as it was during Ferrari days.. And TO has nothing do to with it. I cant wait when he will try overtaking maneuver next time. Contact guaranteed 
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 15:39
Rubens wont be a world champion. it is against the rules of nature. He lost the right to be one (or a racing driver for that matter) in Austria 2002. Maybe even before - when he allowed a certain chapter to be inserted into his Ferrari contract. He is just a prostitute that happens to be well paid. Still a prostitute.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 16:26
Being nearer the end of his career by some margin I doubt Rubens would bend over again given the choice.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 16:37
Originally posted by RoutariEnjinu
I think there's no way Rubens would gift title to Jenson if he can still win it. Not a chance.
Lemme see...
Gift the title to Button and retire from F1...
or...
Win the title and retire from F1...
The only person I could ever see Little Bitch still gifting the title to would have be to Ayrton Senna himself...
Then again, would Senna even pass him to accept?
Nah, title and retire...
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 16:39
Originally posted by tkulla
Maybe he just got the setup wrong
Or maybe he ran Q3 heavier, had an incredibly bad racestart, had 3 collisions and drove half the race with a damaged wing, and still came in 2nd. Seems like he's pretty comfortable with the car....
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 17:52
Rubens would rather be a World Driver's Champion who just got fired than the guy who was "almost" the WDC who may get fired or not.
I don't think it would happen. I would hope that Ross Brawn learned from his previous experience in telling a driver winning a race to move over and let the second place guy through. On the other hand, he's done it at least twice, so he's certainly proved himself capable of doing it again.
That goes for both Barricello and Brawn.
I don't think it would happen. I would hope that Ross Brawn learned from his previous experience in telling a driver winning a race to move over and let the second place guy through. On the other hand, he's done it at least twice, so he's certainly proved himself capable of doing it again.
That goes for both Barricello and Brawn.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 18:48
Originally posted by Roger39
Imagine for a moment the following scenario....we come down to the second last race of the season, Brawn has been strong all year and both drivers have a shot at the title. Rubens is leading the race and if he wins all he needs is to finish in the points in the final race and he will be world champion, but...Right behind him is Jenson, if Rubens lets him past Jenson is world champion right there and then.....a certain Mr Brawn is on the radio too, "the beer is in the fridge Rubens, the beer is in the fridge...understand?"....[Rubens]"no not again...Michael...no..no..."
Rubens worst nightmare? Let me see....
What about being repeatedly outqualified by JB? Or being replaced midseason by Bruno Senna?
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 19:06
Originally posted by Roger39
Imagine for a moment the following scenario....we come down to the second last race of the season, Brawn has been strong all year and both drivers have a shot at the title. Rubens is leading the race and if he wins all he needs is to finish in the points in the final race and he will be world champion, but...Right behind him is Jenson, if Rubens lets him past Jenson is world champion right there and then.....a certain Mr Brawn is on the radio too, "the beer is in the fridge Rubens, the beer is in the fridge...understand?"....[Rubens]"no not again...Michael...no..no..."
I think your calculator is in the fridge. And unlike KERS it is not charged up.
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Andy
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 19:17
Originally posted by Rubens Hakkamacher
Or maybe he ran Q3 heavier, had an incredibly bad racestart, had 3 collisions and drove half the race with a damaged wing, and still came in 2nd. Seems like he's pretty comfortable with the car....
I guess they all would feel pretty comfortable in a Brawn right now...;)
And saying he "had" this or that... it's not as if bad starts and collisions fall from the sky, you know. Usually the driver has something to do with it.
That said, it was only one race and the starting mishap compromised everything else. Lets see the score after 4 or 5 races.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 19:18
Good grief. One race! Just one tiny little race. A whole sixteen to go people!
Anyway, if you listen to most of the dudes on this board, Brawn have scored all the points they're going to for the rest of the season and it only remains for Lewis to come first, second and third in the remaining sixteen, when God will appear at the end of the Brasilian GP and acknowledge him as his only son. If God can't make it, it'll be Senna.
Anyway, if you listen to most of the dudes on this board, Brawn have scored all the points they're going to for the rest of the season and it only remains for Lewis to come first, second and third in the remaining sixteen, when God will appear at the end of the Brasilian GP and acknowledge him as his only son. If God can't make it, it'll be Senna.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 19:40
I think if Ross wanted to scare Barrichello he wouldn't tell him anything about a beer. He would get a certain audio clip and radio it to Rubens' car:
"Rubens, let Michael pass for the champion-chip. Let Michael pass for the champion-chip..."
Now THAT would be a shock for Rubens
"Rubens, let Michael pass for the champion-chip. Let Michael pass for the champion-chip..."
Now THAT would be a shock for Rubens
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 19:43
Barrichellos worst nightmare? Schumacher testing a Brawn.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 20:00
Rubens is "always the bridesmaid" in dominant cars because he is a natural number 2. Schumacher was better than him, and Jenson is better than him. Team orders or not, he is gonna get beaten. I find itt funny those people who claim Rubens is better because of 2008, when he was fighting to stay in F1 and Jenson was just pissed off with another crap car. 2006 and 2007, Jenson made him look just as bad as Michael did. He didn't even score a point in 07, and his teammate won a race in 06.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 20:08
Originally posted by Josta
2006 and 2007, Jenson made him look just as bad as Michael did.
Rubens was never close to MS on quali..
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 20:14
Originally posted by Roger39
Imagine for a moment the following scenario....we come down to the second last race of the season, Brawn has been strong all year and both drivers have a shot at the title. Rubens is leading the race and if he wins all he needs is to finish in the points in the final race and he will be world champion, but...Right behind him is Jenson, if Rubens lets him past Jenson is world champion right there and then.....a certain Mr Brawn is on the radio too, "the beer is in the fridge Rubens, the beer is in the fridge...understand?"....[Rubens]"no not again...Michael...no..no..."
This is the best thing I ever read on this BB.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 20:25
Originally posted by BMW_F1
Rubens was never close to MS on quali..
LOL. I take it you haven't been watching for long? In 2000, Michael won quali 9/8. In 2001, Rubens won quali 9/8. In 2004, Michael won quali 13/5, in 2006, Jenson won quali 13/5.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 20:35
Your figures are just awsome.Originally posted by Josta
LOL. I take it you haven't been watching for long? In 2000, Michael won quali 9/8. In 2001, Rubens won quali 9/8. In 2004, Michael won quali 13/5, in 2006, Jenson won quali 13/5.
Actually 2000 was 15-2 and 2001 16-1 in Schumachers favour.
