Brawn and Bruno
#1
Posted 01 April 2009 - 14:54
Imagine if he had signed him and Senna had won the race in Melbourne.
The Brawn car is looking so good that even button is being touted for the WDC
Senna could have possibly been WC in his first year.
What a story that would have been.
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#2
Posted 01 April 2009 - 14:55
#3
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:01
;)
#4
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:06
And it would have helped attracting sponsors.
Then again, it would have been a pity for Rubens, and now, as things stand, we might see some more of his idiotic podiums dances, if and when he wins further GPs.
#5
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:08
#6
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:35
#7
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:40
#8
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:42
#9
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:45
______________Originally posted by AyePirate
Bruno isn't Senna get over it people.
you drive a Miata
#10
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:46
but i do think the brawn car is that good. and all it would have taken was a couple of bad races by jenson and a good season by Bruno and bam you would have the biggest story in F1 ever.
Bernie would have creamed himself to death.
#11
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:48
Originally posted by aditya-now
Ross should have signed Bruno, definitely. It would have added immensely to the already enormous Brawn saga.
And it would have helped attracting sponsors.
Then again, it would have been a pity for Rubens, and now, as things stand, we might see some more of his idiotic podiums dances, if and when he wins further GPs.
I still fail to understand why people think the sponsors will flock just because he is called Senna.
#12
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:51
Actually, he is.Originally posted by AyePirate
Bruno isn't Senna get over it people.
#13
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:54
Originally posted by Jackman
Actually, he is.
He has adopted the name of Senna as is customary in Brazil, but he is not Senna.
#14
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:55
Originally posted by Jackman
Actually, he is.
and thats why he would get the sponsorship.
The senna name is massive and if he wona f1 race, which he probably could do in a Brawn as im sure anyone else in f1 could. Then it would be immense in South America.
#15
Posted 01 April 2009 - 15:56
Imagine if he was called Pedro D'Orangé or something.
#16
Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:01
#17
Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:21
People used to call Ferrari's dream team of Todt, Byrne, Brawn, Martinelli, Tombazis and Schumy, always excluding Rubens.
People are doing it again. Like it or not, Rubens helped to develop the car as is. Ross inherited Jenson's contract from Honda, Rubens was Brawns personal choice.
#18
Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:25
Anyway, Senna has a future ahead of him still and isn't unlikely to end up with Brawn GP in the (near) future (2009 ?)...
#19
Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:26
I've seen his passport: he's a Senna.Originally posted by ForeverF1
He has adopted the name of Senna as is customary in Brazil, but he is not Senna.
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#20
Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:31
Originally posted by Barramut
That's so sad.
People used to call Ferrari's dream team of Todt, Byrne, Brawn, Martinelli, Tombazis and Schumy, always excluding Rubens.
People are doing it again. Like it or not, Rubens helped to develop the car as is. Ross inherited Jenson's contract from Honda, Rubens was Brawns personal choice.
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Personal Choice? He inherited Barrichello just the same way. It is very simple: continuity and routine was way more important than any new driver, not to speak of a rookie.
#21
Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:32
#22
Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:40
#23
Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:45
No, Rubens' contract has expired last year.Originally posted by Szoelloe
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Personal Choice? He inherited Barrichello just the same way. It is very simple: continuity and routine was way more important than any new driver, not to speak of a rookie.
This is a new one based on points.
Rubens is Brawns choice.
#24
Posted 01 April 2009 - 16:45
I've seen his face: he's a Senna.Originally posted by Jackman
I've seen his passport: he's a Senna.
#25
Posted 01 April 2009 - 17:11
Originally posted by Apollonius
Senna isn't in F1 because he's not good enough. Even the temptation of money didn't convince Brawn to give him a chance. He's too old, he started to late, his form in other series isn't great and there are a lot more talented drivers around than he who are a lot younger to boot.
I don't think he's too old or started his career too late. After all, Graham Hill only learnt to drive a car in 1953 and was in F1 by 1958 and won his first WDC in 1962.
I'd say Senna would be able to make the grade in F1. Buemi hasn't had a stellar career, but had a good debut at the Australian GP. IMHO I'd rate Senna a better driver than Buemi. I'm sure if Senna got the Toro Rosso seat (and the same amount of testing) he'd at least would have matched Buemi's efforts. However, I don't think he would have won the race had he got the Brawn drive and in fact would have had a very difficult debut with the near zero testing he would of got.
Of the course of the season (despite his novice mistakes in the opening of the Australian GP) Rubens will be a better bet, thanks to his experience and the limited testing mileage available during the season.
#26
Posted 01 April 2009 - 17:17
Originally posted by naboo81
Imagine if .....
Brawn could not afford to gamble on a rookie. They didn't have the time to get someone up to speed with the car, the circuits, or the team. Brawn did a very VERY sensible thing in opting to retain his exceptionally experienced drivers.
Imagine if... Bruno had binned it because of inexperience. What a story THAT would have been. And what a lost opportunity.
#27
Posted 01 April 2009 - 17:24
With Button and Barrichello they were able to hit the ground running, instead of nursing a rookie who has not turned a wheel in F1 and who has only one F1 test day on his CV.
#28
Posted 01 April 2009 - 17:58
Originally posted by Barramut
No, Rubens' contract has expired last year.
This is a new one based on points.
Rubens is Brawns choice.
And they freed Button from his contract.
#29
Posted 01 April 2009 - 18:51
Originally posted by naboo81
The Brawn car is looking so good that even button is being touted for the WDC
Maybe thats because jenson is a top 4 driver, in no particular order.
But hey, this is nothing other than a troll like post.
#30
Posted 01 April 2009 - 19:37
Hamilton, Raikkonen, Kubica, Vettel and Alonso are all better than Button.
It is not a troll post. It was merely a look at what might have been. We all know the car is the star in F1.
Bruno Senna probably is midfield, but in a car that was half a second better than the rest of the field, he had some chance of winning the WC and the point of my original post was to illustrate how much of a story that would have been.
#31
Posted 01 April 2009 - 19:47
#32
Posted 01 April 2009 - 19:53
Originally posted by naboo81
So who exactly else is in your top 4 there.
Hamilton, Raikkonen, Kubica, Vettel and Alonso are all better than Button.
It is not a troll post. It was merely a look at what might have been. We all know the car is the star in F1.
Bruno Senna probably is midfield, but in a car that was half a second better than the rest of the field, he had some chance of winning the WC and the point of my original post was to illustrate how much of a story that would have been.
Replace the two inexperianced drivers in vettel and kubica and replace raikkonen with massa and jenson.
There my top 4 in the current lineup.
The only contentious one would be the choice between raik and massa, but i feel massa is a slow burner, and he is getting better and better and has overtaken raik.
#33
Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:01
#34
Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:01
Originally posted by naboo81
So who exactly else is in your top 4 there.
Hamilton, Raikkonen, Kubica, Vettel and Alonso are all better than Button.
I don't know how you can say that definitively. Alonso is a 2xWDC, so I can understand that one. Hamilton has been impressive in his two seasons in the best (or tied for the best) car, but it's tough to compare the two. Kubica? Last year he was excellent, but not more so than Button in 2004 or 2006. Vettel? A bit early on that call - the kid is a major talent but we still haven't seen enough. And Raikkonen was less than impressive last year (and so far this year). Would Button have been better in last year's Ferrari than Kimi? It's certainly possible.
#35
Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:14
His father died in a motorcycle crash in 1995. Szoelloe quote:
Oh. I missed that one....
#36
Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:18
Originally posted by Jackman
Actually, he is.
I had italicized the word Senna to emphasize the great over the competent nephew.
#37
Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:37
#38
Posted 01 April 2009 - 20:42
Originally posted by Slumberer
Oh. I missed that one....
I didnT quote that!??
#39
Posted 01 April 2009 - 21:00
So, what is the issue here?
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#40
Posted 01 April 2009 - 21:09
Originally posted by AyePirate
Bruno isn't Senna get over it people.
Depends on how negative you choose to be doesn't it and trust me there are plenty of negative people sat hiding behind their PC's writing on forums, all I care about is his pace which looks very good indeed and things like Ross Brawn(who also knows a little bit more than these negative forum trolls) saying that he was hugely impressed with him in his test. Sounds like he showed enough TO THE EXPERTS to get the drive but because of the need to consolidate the outfit as much as possible he had to choose Rubens for the sake of him being a known quantity.
#41
Posted 01 April 2009 - 21:10
#42
Posted 01 April 2009 - 21:59
What makes things confusing is that, in spite of this, people are usually known by their father's surname, even if it is the later. Ayrton was known as Ayrton da Silva until he chose to go by Ayrton Senna; Bruno has every right to do the same, if he wishes to.
#43
Posted 02 April 2009 - 00:01
Originally posted by Barramut
I've seen his face: he's a Senna.
I think the point is that he is "a" Senna, but he is not and never will be "Senna". Same way Ralf is "a" Schumacher.
Sorry Ralf, if by some weird twist of fate you read this, but hey, your wifes hot, you have a kid, sh!t loads of money and you got to drive in F1. Effing sweet dude!
#44
Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:12
#45
Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:15
Originally posted by lustigson
As much as I would've liked to see Bruno race, after last Sunday's race, I said to my wife that Brawn had made the right choice signing R.G. Barrichello for 2009 in stead of B. Senna Lalli. The former managed 4th after a bad start, which got him into 2nd afer the Vettel-Kubica tangle, while I reckon the latter would not have recuperated from his bad start as much as the ultra-experienced Barrichello has.
Yes, I agree.
#46
Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:17
While I understood the logic of going with Rhubarb, I must admit to being very disappointed they didn't take Senna.