Didnt think about the light conditions starting the races so late did you. Idiot. Also, this race would have made it to the end if it had been started an hour earlier. I hate the little troll.
Bernie you twit
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:44
No, Bernie is completely right. As a European viewer this is far far better than getting up at 7am to watch cars racing. 
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:45
Originally posted by Lopek
No, Bernie is completely right. As a European viewer this is far far better than getting up at 7am to watch cars racing.
Yes huge difference. They should string the little troll up on top of the grandstand and wait for some more lightning.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:47
Well he did say he wanted shorter races...
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:48
I'm not surprised his wife left him...
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:51
This was quite silly. I think they should have started it really early in the morning so you guys could stay up and watch it. Atleast then youd have the rest of the day to mess around and what not if it rained.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:54
I've had the good fortune to travel to Malaysia several times, and if there is one thing all the locals know, it's that you can practically set your watch by the rain in the evening...
Next, Bernie will be looking to give Canada our GP back - but only if we run it sometime in January....
Next, Bernie will be looking to give Canada our GP back - but only if we run it sometime in January....
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:54
joining the bernie's a moron crew
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:54
There should be a rule that every Q and race must be held at 14:00 local time. FULLSTOP.
F*** that!
F*** that!
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:55
He is utterly incompetent when it comes to the sporting side of F1, yet the FIA is supporting him and allowing him to meddle and turn the sport into a farce. Mosley and this little twit must go. This is an utter farce.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 10:57
It looked really ammateurish. Everyone plus their moms were expecting heavy rainfalls and visibility problems.
I hope Bernie loses a lot of money on this.
I hope Bernie loses a lot of money on this.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:07
Yeah! And what about the poor people who dished out $$$ to buy tickets to watch it!
What a farce! As I said in the live feed, Bernie needs his nose and little Armani spectacles rubbed in a steaming pile of cow turds for enabling this farcical shambles....
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What a farce! As I said in the live feed, Bernie needs his nose and little Armani spectacles rubbed in a steaming pile of cow turds for enabling this farcical shambles....
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:24
Does Bernie not know that for the last 30 years people have owned VCR's and for the last 10 or so PVR's
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:25
Originally posted by Bruce
Next, Bernie will be looking to give Canada our GP back - but only if we run it sometime in January....
The next series of "Ice Road Truckers?"
Hugh Rowland wins the DWC.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:26
Originally posted by Decode
He is utterly incompetent when it comes to the sporting side of F1, yet the FIA is supporting him and allowing him to meddle and turn the sport into a farce. Mosley and this little twit must go. This is an utter farce.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with his payout of some 300 million USD to Max.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:27
It's worth pointing out that Bernie has done all this for some very good reasons....
1) many Asian and Middle Eastern countries are so anxious to get their flag flown on international TV that they'll pay whatever Bernie asks for in terms of cost of staging the race... (witness Singapore, malaysia, India, China dubai, and doubtless more to come). Note that Bernie is careful to explain this as making the series "truly international" ( in spite of the fact that there is only a single race staged between England and Australia - Brazil).
2) knowing that European broadcasters (and Europe is still a major fan base for F1, in spite of all the evaporating European races) don't like the late races because it minimizes their viewing figures, Bernie has "cleverly" forced Malaysia into a late race (where it was almost guaranteed to pour).
A race cut short by half? Who cares? The Asian and Middle Eastern countries are paying a sh#tload of money to stage the races, and European broadcasters are paying a sh*tload of money to broadcast them, and Bernie, wallowing in all that money is very content indeed. And that is what is most important.
1) many Asian and Middle Eastern countries are so anxious to get their flag flown on international TV that they'll pay whatever Bernie asks for in terms of cost of staging the race... (witness Singapore, malaysia, India, China dubai, and doubtless more to come). Note that Bernie is careful to explain this as making the series "truly international" ( in spite of the fact that there is only a single race staged between England and Australia - Brazil).
2) knowing that European broadcasters (and Europe is still a major fan base for F1, in spite of all the evaporating European races) don't like the late races because it minimizes their viewing figures, Bernie has "cleverly" forced Malaysia into a late race (where it was almost guaranteed to pour).
A race cut short by half? Who cares? The Asian and Middle Eastern countries are paying a sh#tload of money to stage the races, and European broadcasters are paying a sh*tload of money to broadcast them, and Bernie, wallowing in all that money is very content indeed. And that is what is most important.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:28
Definitely an idiot and a blasted moron.A big thumbs down to him,Whiting and the GPDA for robbing me of at least twenty minutes of the GP.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:29
Originally posted by Bruce
A race cut short by half? Who cares? The Asian and Middle Eastern countries are paying a sh#tload of money to stage the races, and European broadcasters are paying a sh*tload of money to broadcast them, and Bernie, wallowing in all that money is very content indeed. And that is what is most important.
No that is what's important to Bernie.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:29
Originally posted by Lopek
No, Bernie is completely right. As a European viewer this is far far better than getting up at 7am to watch cars racing.
How sad. I'm in Canada. I am waking up at 7am for every European GP and also to watch re-runs of Asian GPs.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:30
Originally posted by Madras
No that is what's important to Bernie.
exactly.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:32
Originally posted by BRK
Definitely an idiot and a blasted moron.A big thumbs down to him,Whiting and the GPDA for robbing me of at least twenty minutes of the GP.
The GPDA was just a passenger in this Bernie wreck.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:32
Originally posted by Bruce
Next, Bernie will be looking to give Canada our GP back - but only if we run it sometime in January....
They'll need to get Mika back. I remember when he drove the McLaren with Erja on snow.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:33
Originally posted by JtP1
The next series of "Ice Road Truckers?"
Hugh Rowland wins the DWC.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:33
Words fail me.
And would be wasted on this man.
And would be wasted on this man.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:35
Next year they should start an hour later still. Will leave much more time to do other stuff on Sundays if they race only really lasts 10 minutes and then they merrily go around for 1:50 behind the Merc SC with wipers and high beams on.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:37
I'm sure most people have been waiting for more than an hour in front of the TV for the restart. The audience have been watching the sponsors. That's all about. The fans, the people at the circuit, the team members, the drivers... who cares!.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:38
What a waste of time and sleep!
I'm in Toronto on a business trip and have a meeting at 9am today. I got to my hotel last night at midnight and decided to put my alarm at 4:45 to watch what I thought would be an exciting race.
WTF???
Dark, wet, slow... Don't get me wrong, I love wet races, not sprint races.
One hour awake so that I wouldn't miss the restart.....
Bernie, your lack of awareness of the obvious will make you lose millions in pocket-change if you keep pampering the european audience in this way.
Have you noticed there are more fans beyond Portugal and Poland? Or is it that Brazilian TV doesn't tip you as generously as a London Broadcaster?
I agree with somebody above: 14:00 start. Period.
I should have left the tv on that channel showing the Teletubies and have a couple more hours of sleep before my meeting.
Good job Button!
I'm in Toronto on a business trip and have a meeting at 9am today. I got to my hotel last night at midnight and decided to put my alarm at 4:45 to watch what I thought would be an exciting race.
WTF???
Dark, wet, slow... Don't get me wrong, I love wet races, not sprint races.
One hour awake so that I wouldn't miss the restart.....
Bernie, your lack of awareness of the obvious will make you lose millions in pocket-change if you keep pampering the european audience in this way.
Have you noticed there are more fans beyond Portugal and Poland? Or is it that Brazilian TV doesn't tip you as generously as a London Broadcaster?
I agree with somebody above: 14:00 start. Period.
I should have left the tv on that channel showing the Teletubies and have a couple more hours of sleep before my meeting.
Good job Button!
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:46
Originally posted by guillo
What a waste of time and sleep!
I'm in Toronto on a business trip and have a meeting at 9am today. I got to my hotel last night at midnight and decided to put my alarm at 4:45 to watch what I thought would be an exciting race.
I live in Toronto, so my alarm was set for the same time - and yet the race was over before I'd finished my first coffee.
Hope you enjoy your trip... looks sunny today, so that's a plus.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:47
Toronto, ah the memories ...
Love it!
Love it!
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:49
Those who dished out 200 quid for a grandstand ticket?Originally posted by Bruce
A race cut short by half? Who cares?
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:53
I don't mind getting up early to watch races. Those in America always have to. If countries in Asia are hosting races, why should European TV audiences be the priority? I'm not so selfish to expect Australia and the like to bend to my timezone when it's their race and I find it unbelievable that Bernie thinks he's speaking for me and others in Europe when he makes these choices; because he isn't.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:53
Originally posted by VresiBerba
Those who dished out 200 quid for a grandstand ticket?
Actually I read somewhere that ticket prices started at 10$.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 11:54
Originally posted by VresiBerba
Those who dished out 200 quid for a grandstand ticket?
GP tickets are a great deal cheaper in Malaysia - I saw a MotoGP race at Sepang in 2006 and it cost me 50 Ringgit for the ticket - in the grandstand at the end of the pit straight.
50 Ringgit was about $15 Cdn at the time - or about 8quid.
Mind you - this is not cheap for the locals - and I'm pretty sure that the F1GP is more $$$$ (or rather RRRRR).
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:03
Doesn't really matter, they still only got half of what they paid for.Originally posted by Bruce
GP tickets are a great deal cheaper in Malaysia - I saw a MotoGP race at Sepang in 2006 and it cost me 50 Ringgit for the ticket - in the grandstand at the end of the pit straight.
50 Ringgit was about $15 Cdn at the time - or about 8quid.
Mind you - this is not cheap for the locals - and I'm pretty sure that the F1GP is more $$$$ (or rather RRRRR).
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:12
Originally posted by VresiBerba
Doesn't really matter, they still only got half of what they paid for.
True enough - I'm sure that everyone left the racetrack with a feeling that, in spite of all the rain, they'd been burned...
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:16
Originally posted by Bruce
GP tickets are a great deal cheaper in Malaysia - I saw a MotoGP race at Sepang in 2006 and it cost me 50 Ringgit for the ticket - in the grandstand at the end of the pit straight.
50 Ringgit was about $15 Cdn at the time - or about 8quid.
Mind you - this is not cheap for the locals - and I'm pretty sure that the F1GP is more $$$$ (or rather RRRRR).
My 2006 ticket for what sounds like that same stand cost 1000 Ringgit, that was a three day pass though.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:18
Originally posted by paulm
My 2006 ticket for what sounds like that same stand cost 1000 Ringgit, that was a three day pass though.
And then there's the cost of the flights...
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:19
Better one hour of exciting action than two hours of somnolescence. Same as with prostitutes.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:20
Originally posted by Bruce
GP tickets are a great deal cheaper in Malaysia - I saw a MotoGP race at Sepang in 2006 and it cost me 50 Ringgit for the ticket - in the grandstand at the end of the pit straight.
50 Ringgit was about $15 Cdn at the time - or about 8quid.
Mind you - this is not cheap for the locals - and I'm pretty sure that the F1GP is more $$$$ (or rather RRRRR).
but if you don't live in malaysia, add on the cost of flights, hotel, food, transfers.
If Bernie wants races to be on at times that suit European audiences, then he should have them at european tracks.
As a european viewer, i have no problem getting up at 3am/6am to watch a race, but bernie isn't interested in us fans, he wants the casual viewer. And races like today's is what will put casual viewers off. They won't tune in for farces like this morning's. They won't spend the money to go to a race in case this happens and they don't get value for money.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:21
Originally posted by Redback
I'm not surprised his wife left him...
perhaps she didn't like things only half finished....
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:21
So how about throwing 151c at Bernie and Max...
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Originally posted by ensign14
Better one hour of exciting action than two hours of somnolescence. Same as with prostitutes.
Or 5 hours - just ask Max...
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:22
Nope they got exactly what they paid for, a F1 race raced under the current regulations.Originally posted by VresiBerba
Doesn't really matter, they still only got half of what they paid for.
Maybe they didn't get what they expected.
If you attend motorraces there's always the possibility that it's cut short because of weather conditions, accidents etcetera.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:22
Originally posted by Lopek
No, Bernie is completely right. As a European viewer this is far far better than getting up at 7am to watch cars racing.
Sorry i disagree! As a true fan of the sport, i'd rather wake up at 4:00 being sure i'll be seeing something, rather than seeing a race in the middle of my day, being ruined because it's driven in a place where there's 70% of chance it'll be washed out by a thunderstorm or nightfall preventing visibility...
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:24
Originally posted by denthierry
Sorry i disagree! As a true fan of the sport, i'd rather wake up at 4:00 being sure i'll be seeing something, rather than seeing a race in the middle of my day, being ruined because it's driven in a place where there's 70% of chance it'll be washed out by a thunderstorm or nightfall preventing visibility...
That one went sailing straight over your head.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:30
Originally posted by JPW
If you attend motorraces there's always the possibility that it's cut short because of weather conditions, accidents etcetera.
I think the problem is that the "possibility" is a "probability".
I wonder how many overseas people booked their trips and tickets in the not unreasonable assumption that the race wouldn't be specifically timed in the rainiest part of the day in a country where the rain tends to be overwhelming.
Experienced people like you and I might know that F1 is run by people by no interest but their own hip pocket but a lot of people might imagine it's run in a professional manner.
I've been lucky enough to see GPs in Britain, France, Italy, Belgium, Malaysia and Australia. There's no way I'd pay to see one now. There's just too much bullshit.
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Posted 05 April 2009 - 12:47
Regulations don't state that the race start is at 17.00 local time. So, no.Originally posted by JPW
Nope they got exactly what they paid for, a F1 race raced under the current regulations.
