Sorry if there is another thread going.
Very interesting interview with Windsor, so got me thinking, who would fit as drivers?
Andretti III
Rahal
Liuizzi
K Busch
I don't know any of the youger guys in F BMW and such.
But please no Danica discussion.
Drivers for USGPE?
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 15:40
I think excluding Danica from consideration would be premature. Aside from the immature allusion that Danica is a woman, indeed, a very attractive woman, ignores the fact that she is good driver, committed towards winning, and has experience in the earlier leagues overseas. She would be an advantageous choice based on her height and weight, if the car is going to have KERS installed. (Just ask Robert Kubica, if he would not be doing better, if BMW could be persuaded to put KERS onto his racecar!)
She would probably attract sponser money, which she excels at in IRL.
And to say that woman don't belong in F1, is just plain chauvinist, sexist, if not misogynistic.
She would probably attract sponser money, which she excels at in IRL.
And to say that woman don't belong in F1, is just plain chauvinist, sexist, if not misogynistic.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 15:42
Originally posted by cloudman
And to say that woman don't belong in F1, is just plain chauvinist, sexist, if not misogynistic.
And something that no-one here said.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 15:43
1st choice - Allmendinger.
2nd . - Rahal.
3rd. - Liuzzi
4th. - Busch (he may not be ready yet but its the most talented)
5th. Rossi (may not be ready for 2010)
2nd . - Rahal.
3rd. - Liuzzi
4th. - Busch (he may not be ready yet but its the most talented)
5th. Rossi (may not be ready for 2010)
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 15:46
My theory is that this actually a reality show for Speed TV. So I nominate Tanner Foust. 
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 15:48
I read somewhere that even Montoya and Scott Speed were mention in the possible group of drivers.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 15:50
Originally posted by kaivo
Americans are too fat
And as can be seen from this post some Estonians are dumbass trolls. Too bad you couldn't find another forum to join.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 15:51
Someone currently in F1 or on the periphery. I wouldn't bother with anyone else. Assuming I was running a race team and not a gimmick.
Rossi is doing Formula Master this year, there's no way F1 is on his horizon at this point other than the BMW Sauber test for winning the Formula BMW World Finals.
Rossi is doing Formula Master this year, there's no way F1 is on his horizon at this point other than the BMW Sauber test for winning the Formula BMW World Finals.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 16:10
Forgot about AJ and Speed.
AJ is getting there in NASCAR, Speed is having problem.
I think Speed deserves a 2nd chance not sure how motivated AJ is to go F1.
Marco sucks big time lately, looks out of league even in A1.
AJ is getting there in NASCAR, Speed is having problem.
I think Speed deserves a 2nd chance not sure how motivated AJ is to go F1.
Marco sucks big time lately, looks out of league even in A1.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 16:10
Originally posted by kaivo
Americans are too fat
and Estonians are slow..
what's your point?
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 16:16
In the current ranks of US drivers I'd pick Hunter Reay and Rahal.
RHR has always been steady, if not spectacular and Rahal has some speed and ATM is young enough to learn.
The main thing this vaporware team should be doing if they are serious is to be looking 5 years down the road as far as drivers go, and start looking in the kart ranks for their future drivers and groom them.
IMO, ain't never gonna happen anyway...
RHR has always been steady, if not spectacular and Rahal has some speed and ATM is young enough to learn.
The main thing this vaporware team should be doing if they are serious is to be looking 5 years down the road as far as drivers go, and start looking in the kart ranks for their future drivers and groom them.
IMO, ain't never gonna happen anyway...
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 16:17
really?Originally posted by kaivo
Americans are too fat
been to america yet?
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 16:28
Can we at least have the beginning of a design before we start talking about drivers?
From the interview I get the impression that virtually not a single byte has been designed yet as they have not even begun hiring designers. We're well into April already ...
From the interview I get the impression that virtually not a single byte has been designed yet as they have not even begun hiring designers. We're well into April already ...
Q. What is the next step for the team in terms of personnel?
PW: Personnel is an interesting one because a lot of the personnel that are involved in the design and build of the car, we are going to be hiring them very, very soon. And we will be up to full capacity by July/August in that area. In terms of marketing and other stuff like that, that will gradually rise as the year progresses.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 16:31
Personal list of US/NA drivers for USGPE:
1) Rahal
2) Almendinger
3) Marco Andretti
4) Danica Patrick
5) Kurt Busch
6) Alex Gurney
7) Paul Tracy
1) Rahal
2) Almendinger
3) Marco Andretti
4) Danica Patrick
5) Kurt Busch
6) Alex Gurney
7) Paul Tracy
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 16:35
Originally posted by cloudman
I think excluding Danica from consideration would be premature. Aside from the immature allusion that Danica is a woman, indeed, a very attractive woman, ignores the fact that she is good driver, committed towards winning, and has experience in the earlier leagues overseas. She would be an advantageous choice based on her height and weight, if the car is going to have KERS installed. (Just ask Robert Kubica, if he would not be doing better, if BMW could be persuaded to put KERS onto his racecar!)
She would probably attract sponser money, which she excels at in IRL.
And to say that woman don't belong in F1, is just plain chauvinist, sexist, if not misogynistic.
I m sorry ... Danica is a good driver? When did that happen?
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 16:45
If they want to get a lot of publicity, then Danica Patrick and Marco Andretti would help.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 16:46
Originally posted by BMW_F1
and Estonians are slow..
what's your point?
Originally posted by whitewaterMkII
really?
been to america yet?
Guys, just ignore him. There are trolls in every nation.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 16:52
Have to agree with Timstr11, I find the whole thing very odd. I would really like it to succeed, a team in NC would be great, and Windsor and Anderson should have a fair idea how to go about it.
But the idea is to have an American car, that surely means they design and build it in NC, how can they do that in 5 months? Look at the huge established superteam McLaren struggling to catch up having had "only" 9 months or so.
No drivers specifically in mind but saying US driver(s), and that is a real problem, Lots of big countries can't find a decent F1 driver even after decades of trying - Japan, France, Italy - so just wishing for it isn't going to make it happen. And pairing one slow US driver with an etsablished F1 driver is problematic too. US enthusiam is going to dry up pretty quickly if the US driver/team/USA are being humiliated every race.
And reportedly they planned to use the Windshear tunnel without even asking if they had capacity.
It will be an amazing story if they can pull it off. But at the moment it has some childish dream-like qualities, even more so than Donington.
But the idea is to have an American car, that surely means they design and build it in NC, how can they do that in 5 months? Look at the huge established superteam McLaren struggling to catch up having had "only" 9 months or so.
No drivers specifically in mind but saying US driver(s), and that is a real problem, Lots of big countries can't find a decent F1 driver even after decades of trying - Japan, France, Italy - so just wishing for it isn't going to make it happen. And pairing one slow US driver with an etsablished F1 driver is problematic too. US enthusiam is going to dry up pretty quickly if the US driver/team/USA are being humiliated every race.
And reportedly they planned to use the Windshear tunnel without even asking if they had capacity.
It will be an amazing story if they can pull it off. But at the moment it has some childish dream-like qualities, even more so than Donington.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 17:03
They would only pick Danica for publicity. She hasn't won a race since 1998, albeit the fluke win at Motegi when everyone else ran out of fuel.
I would like to see Kyle Busch run F1, just so he can get hit a$$ handed to him, just to prove to himself that he isn't all he think's he is.
But seriously, Allmendinger, Rahal and Gurney would be the best choices, although Allmendinger has voiced his plans to not race in F1.
I would like to see Kyle Busch run F1, just so he can get hit a$$ handed to him, just to prove to himself that he isn't all he think's he is.
But seriously, Allmendinger, Rahal and Gurney would be the best choices, although Allmendinger has voiced his plans to not race in F1.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 18:19
Peter Windsor said this earlier:
"There are some good American drivers out there: Jonathan Summerton, Charlie Kimball, AJ Allmendinger, Ryan Hunter-Reay, Colin Fleming and Jonathan Edwards - there's also a new generation in Josef Newgarden, Alex Rossi and Conor Daly. The driver selection programme will be part of the story of this year, and we'll make it a reality TV programme"
"There are some good American drivers out there: Jonathan Summerton, Charlie Kimball, AJ Allmendinger, Ryan Hunter-Reay, Colin Fleming and Jonathan Edwards - there's also a new generation in Josef Newgarden, Alex Rossi and Conor Daly. The driver selection programme will be part of the story of this year, and we'll make it a reality TV programme"
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 18:24
I'm slightly wary of a non-American trying to spearhead an American Dream Team. The first question becomes, why?
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 18:34
Almendinger is easily the best American road racer out there atm, and probably as good as most in F1.
Sadly, I dont think he is interested in F1, a great shame because he is a great talent!
Sadly, I dont think he is interested in F1, a great shame because he is a great talent!
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 18:37
Rahal for sure.
From a pure marketing standpoint, the other driver would definitely have to be someone with a Nascar pedigree.
I am not too familiar with Nascar at the moment, but I will repeat again what others have said that Almendinger has no interest in F1. I also don't think S. Speed would want to come back to F1 and drive for a team who would probably fare worse than Toro Rosso, at least in their maiden season.
I really do wish this new US team the best. The realist in me doesn't paint too good a picture for them however, and sadly if they do horribly, it will only reflect more negativity toward the US and F1 with the rest of the world.
I really hope they prove me wrong!
From a pure marketing standpoint, the other driver would definitely have to be someone with a Nascar pedigree.
I am not too familiar with Nascar at the moment, but I will repeat again what others have said that Almendinger has no interest in F1. I also don't think S. Speed would want to come back to F1 and drive for a team who would probably fare worse than Toro Rosso, at least in their maiden season.
I really do wish this new US team the best. The realist in me doesn't paint too good a picture for them however, and sadly if they do horribly, it will only reflect more negativity toward the US and F1 with the rest of the world.
I really hope they prove me wrong!
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 18:44
Did any of you guys watch Allmendinger in WindTunnel the other day? To me he sounds interested in F1 but his main problem is that he needs to grab sponsors to be able to compete full time in the NASCAR sprint cup.
Dave Despain kind of made it obvious that he does not want to be saying "yeah I want to go to F1 " while at the same time marketing himself in nascar for a potential deal with a sponsor. If they think he is not committed to NASCAR 100%, they won't sponsor his team.. - its that simple.
Dave Despain kind of made it obvious that he does not want to be saying "yeah I want to go to F1 " while at the same time marketing himself in nascar for a potential deal with a sponsor. If they think he is not committed to NASCAR 100%, they won't sponsor his team.. - its that simple.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 18:51
Originally posted by PNSD
Almendinger is easily the best American road racer out there atm, and probably as good as most in F1.
Sadly, I dont think he is interested in F1, a great shame because he is a great talent!
Would you like to explain why Speed was always much quicker than Allmendinger growing up then?
I think Allmendinger was flattered by Champ Car- Speed is still the best bet America has had in a long time.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 19:09
Him and Wilson were quite a match, but AJ always had some more tbf, then when he got paired up with Tracy he just blew Tracy out the water along with the rest of the competition!
Speed was not slow, what he lacked in F1 was the work ethic. Both him and Luizzi never looked to really try be any faster than they were. They seemed content with what they had. I think thats the reason Berger wanted them out also. I think lazy is the right term. I fully believe if they work harder, try harder and try make something of it, then both drivers could be quick. I think Luizzi has possibly turned a corner with FI, but we dont know about Speed as he is currently enjoying the the massive V8 monters atm
Speed was not slow, what he lacked in F1 was the work ethic. Both him and Luizzi never looked to really try be any faster than they were. They seemed content with what they had. I think thats the reason Berger wanted them out also. I think lazy is the right term. I fully believe if they work harder, try harder and try make something of it, then both drivers could be quick. I think Luizzi has possibly turned a corner with FI, but we dont know about Speed as he is currently enjoying the the massive V8 monters atm
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 19:20
Bernie loves to get involved and make driver deals happen. Remember Villeneuve?
I'd damn sure he'll do anything to get Danica into F1.
I'd damn sure he'll do anything to get Danica into F1.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 19:29
Originally posted by Timstr11
Can we at least have the beginning of a design before we start talking about drivers?
From the interview I get the impression that virtually not a single byte has been designed yet as they have not even begun hiring designers. We're well into April already ...
Well the point is that the team wont ever see the grid. So just forget about it
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 19:33
I think that Allmendinger would be great if he wanted it, otherwise I'd like to see Rahal in F1. If any foreigner should come in, I'd take Davidson or someone other with experience with small teams, like Sato or Sutil, so he doesn't start to cry when he misses Q2 in the first race ;)
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 19:35
Originally posted by CWeil
Would you like to explain why Speed was always much quicker than Allmendinger growing up then?
I think Allmendinger was flattered by Champ Car- Speed is still the best bet America has had in a long time.
I thought it was the other way around.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 19:47
Originally posted by cloudman
...that Danica is a woman, indeed, a very attractive woman...
I just don't get this at all, she's an indifferent driver and not that great looking.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 19:47
Originally posted by PNSD
Him and Wilson were quite a match, but AJ always had some more tbf, then when he got paired up with Tracy he just blew Tracy out the water along with the rest of the competition!
Speed was not slow, what he lacked in F1 was the work ethic. Both him and Luizzi never looked to really try be any faster than they were. They seemed content with what they had. I think thats the reason Berger wanted them out also. I think lazy is the right term.
The fact that he never got the same results as Wilson says just as much about himself as it does about an aging Tracy. I don't think Allmendinger has really had much good competition to be judged by in open-wheel. I think if he'd gone to Europe when he was younger, he would've floundered. Speed dominated F.Renault and was quite good in GP2.
Your second paragraph, though, is spoken completely out of your behind. Anyone who's worked with either knows that it's a huge load of crap. How they were both marketed by Red Bull has done their image no amount of damage, and Berger in particular hasn't helped (as they tended to get blamed for the car's problems). Both of them got an extremely unfair rap. The fact that Speed, an American, got to F1 by going through the proper European channels speaks enough of his work ethic- he could've taken the easy way out and stayed in America against much, much lesser competition, but went to Europe and did very well. That he and Liuzzi came out with a reputation for being lazy and "content" is just purely crap.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 19:48
Originally posted by BMW_F1
I thought it was the other way around.
In what sense? Speed was always the quicker of the two.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 20:09
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
I'm slightly wary of a non-American trying to spearhead an American Dream Team. The first question becomes, why?
Peter Windsor needs to use other people's money. Americans have money and some awareness of him as an F1 expert and insider. He is a known liason between the American motorsport audience and the working community in F1. Making a pitch in a boardroom he can assuage any concerns about whether he knows what such a team requires. In addition to which he can effectively work the angle that the elements are present in North Carolina. The absence of an American-titled presence in F1 has long been a niche that ought to be filled. From the time he and his partners started seriously considering the idea until his announcement of their intention to go for it the availability of potential American sponsors must have appeared sufficiently encouraging. That was then.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 20:21
1) Cordy Speed
2) Buck Apex
3) Kevin Boost
4) Jimmy Lasers
Either of those would be good.
Oh and if the cars livery is an American flag I will die laughing
They surely CANNOT be that predictable.
2) Buck Apex
3) Kevin Boost
4) Jimmy Lasers
Either of those would be good.
Oh and if the cars livery is an American flag I will die laughing
They surely CANNOT be that predictable.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 20:45
Originally posted by kaivo
Americans are too fat
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 20:46
Originally posted by rolf123
Bernie loves to get involved and make driver deals happen. Remember Villeneuve?
I'd damn sure he'll do anything to get Danica into F1.
Bernie thinks she should be in the kitchen...........
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 20:52
Originally posted by rolf123
Bernie loves to get involved and make driver deals happen. Remember Villeneuve?
I'd damn sure he'll do anything to get Danica into F1.
And what great publicity would he get for F1, by having an american girl qualifying a consistent 22nd in the grid?
Speed and Hunter-Reay would be a nice duo to start their first season, given their limited base of talents. But I'm not sure Speed would want the seat.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 20:55
What they ought to do is look for promising drivers in the junior ranks and place them in Formula Three in Europe. It's a proven training ground whereas taking drivers across the pond later in their career is always a bit hit-and-miss.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 20:58
Originally posted by RoutariEnjinu
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Oh and if the cars livery is an American flag I will die laughing
Oh yes they can!
Agree wth Timstr11 - why talk about drivers if you have nothing for them to drive? : But...Dancia in F1 would make me ill. Like the idea of AJ and Scott though.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 21:02
Originally posted by Rob
What they ought to do is look for promising drivers in the junior ranks and place them in Formula Three in Europe. It's a proven training ground whereas taking drivers across the pond later in their career is always a bit hit-and-miss.
that's what RedBull did with Scott Speed, Paul & John Edwards, & Colin Fleming.
Only Speed made it all the way to F1, the other guys either ran out of talent or money.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 21:05
Originally posted by BMW_F1
that's what RedBull did with Scott Speed, Paul & John Edwards, & Colin Fleming.
Only Speed made it all the way to F1, the other guys either ran out of talent or money.
I'd say a 25% success rate is pretty good. If they were to finance ten drivers racing in Europe, they might get one or two who go all the way.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 21:49
Except that where is the money coming to do such a thing? It's not a money making venture, so there is nothing sustainable about it. Thus it has to rely on the same thing that all the other drivers in Europe rely on- sponsorship...the lack of such a thing being one of the main reasons more Americans don't go over to Europe in the first place. Where are you suddenly going to find sponsorship for 10 drivers? It's not a feasible or realistic plan, unfortunately.
It works for Red Bull because they ARE the sponsorship...and look at how well that worked for them. (<--- That's sarcasm.)
It works for Red Bull because they ARE the sponsorship...and look at how well that worked for them. (<--- That's sarcasm.)
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 22:50
Originally posted by CWeil
Except that where is the money coming to do such a thing? It's not a money making venture, so there is nothing sustainable about it. Thus it has to rely on the same thing that all the other drivers in Europe rely on- sponsorship...the lack of such a thing being one of the main reasons more Americans don't go over to Europe in the first place. Where are you suddenly going to find sponsorship for 10 drivers? It's not a feasible or realistic plan, unfortunately.
This is what I think. It's what USGPE would like, I'm sure, but without funding it won't happen. This is why I think they'll have to at least start with drivers of other nationalities. But I wonder if their PR orientation would allow this to happen.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 23:42
Originally posted by RoutariEnjinu
Oh and if the cars livery is an American flag I will die laughing
what's so funny? Idiot.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 09:30
Originally posted by DLaw
what's so funny? Idiot.
It's a bit stereotypical of the americans and their "stars and stripes" I guess.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 11:11
Why laughter? Because it would look kind of tacky and fit a stereotype. 
The other cars on the F1 grid, while a couple may have national colours included via a corresponding sponsor or whatnot, aren't currently racing around draped in full nation flag paint schemes. I don't know if you remember, but quite a few folks laughed at the name 'Force India' too. Same deal here.
I really wish there was less jingoism – And a reality show? Did I read that right? Please No! - involved. A professional team going about their business with American backing would be one thing, but this sounds more and more improbable with each interview. I want more opportunities and growing interest in international motorsport in North America, not gimmicks that attract jokes! They need to get serious about this before I'm willing to take them seriously. Time's running short for a quality first-time entry by 2010. Right now, it all feels like something put together by a pr department checking off a list of, well, stereotypes about what they think Americans will like. Disappointing so far.
As for drivers, if they finally come to that point, they need to start with folks already in the F1 arena. Groom future prospects and draw the best from that pool down the road (which is expensive and takes time). Anything else isn't going to result in much over the long term.
The other cars on the F1 grid, while a couple may have national colours included via a corresponding sponsor or whatnot, aren't currently racing around draped in full nation flag paint schemes. I don't know if you remember, but quite a few folks laughed at the name 'Force India' too. Same deal here.I really wish there was less jingoism – And a reality show? Did I read that right? Please No! - involved. A professional team going about their business with American backing would be one thing, but this sounds more and more improbable with each interview. I want more opportunities and growing interest in international motorsport in North America, not gimmicks that attract jokes! They need to get serious about this before I'm willing to take them seriously. Time's running short for a quality first-time entry by 2010. Right now, it all feels like something put together by a pr department checking off a list of, well, stereotypes about what they think Americans will like. Disappointing so far.
As for drivers, if they finally come to that point, they need to start with folks already in the F1 arena. Groom future prospects and draw the best from that pool down the road (which is expensive and takes time). Anything else isn't going to result in much over the long term.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 11:13
Originally posted by AyePirate
My theory is that this actually a reality show for Speed TV. So I nominate Tanner Foust.
haha! he would drift around corners, thus covering every possible line and would never be overtaken.
