OK, bit of a drama queen poll. But with all of the bullsh!t offtrack, taking away from anything that happens ontrack, becoming more and more prevalent. Have you just about had it?
Have you almost had enough of F1?
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Posted 13 April 2009 - 22:59
I have almost enough of people comparing Hamilton or anyone else with Senna.
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Posted 13 April 2009 - 23:01
Originally posted by giacomo
I have almost enough of people comparing Hamilton or anyone else with Senna.
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Posted 13 April 2009 - 23:13
I'm expecting to be in an impotent rage on 29th, otherwise it's still looking like the best season ever.
Yet more intrigue coming tomorrow...
Yet more intrigue coming tomorrow...
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Posted 13 April 2009 - 23:20
I voted Yes.
It is not the lovely sport it used to be.
Strange that it isn't since Alonso said that in Monzas 2006,huh? A coincidence.
It is not the lovely sport it used to be.
Strange that it isn't since Alonso said that in Monzas 2006,huh? A coincidence.
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Posted 13 April 2009 - 23:27
Originally posted by giacomo
I have almost enough of people comparing Hamilton or anyone else with Senna.
OT: Agreed, I think Hamilton is more like a young Prost.
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Posted 13 April 2009 - 23:43
I'm fed up of people saying they're finished with F1.... only to post about the next race. 
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 01:40
Originally posted by undersquare
Yet more intrigue coming tomorrow...
What is happening tomorro? What? What?
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 01:51
Originally posted by senna da silva
But with all of the bullsh!t offtrack, taking away from anything that happens ontrack, becoming more and more prevalent. Have you just about had it?
Yes I have had enough of your whining.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 01:55
I've almost had enough of Racing Comments. :
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 02:05
Originally posted by Chubby_Deuce
I've almost had enough of Racing Comments. :
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 02:06
Will never get enough of F1. Thirty plus years and going strong. When they're putting me into my final resting place you can bet I'll have known the F1 standingsright up to my last day.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 02:21
No,
I love OW racing.
As bad as F1 is, all other forms are even worse.
I love OW racing.
As bad as F1 is, all other forms are even worse.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 02:22
F1 always has been and always will be both controversial and rife with political machinations. If you don't like it, the door is *that* way... oh, just make sure you don't let it smack you on the ass on the way out.
The beauty about F1 is that (at what used to be 2pm Sunday, nowadays start times vary), when the lights went out, all the bullshit stopped and you can just enjoy it for what it should be... the best drivers in the world, in the most sophisticated machinery, on the best tracks, driving for the best teams, the pinnacle of motor sport.... etc etc.
Now, we may disagree that all of the above still represents F1 these days, with all the changes to the Sporting & Technical regs, but the one thing you can't deny is that when a race is running, nothing else really matters so much. I sure as hell can't!!
The beauty about F1 is that (at what used to be 2pm Sunday, nowadays start times vary), when the lights went out, all the bullshit stopped and you can just enjoy it for what it should be... the best drivers in the world, in the most sophisticated machinery, on the best tracks, driving for the best teams, the pinnacle of motor sport.... etc etc.
Now, we may disagree that all of the above still represents F1 these days, with all the changes to the Sporting & Technical regs, but the one thing you can't deny is that when a race is running, nothing else really matters so much. I sure as hell can't!!
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 02:39
No, I still love the race starts..
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 03:00
Originally posted by BMW_F1
No, I still love the race starts..
Exactly! I think no other sport or even any other motorsport has a more dramatic start than a F1 race. It starts as it should, from dead stop (i hate the rolling starts on other motorracing) and because it's the fastest cars, with very big and exposed wheels, the cars goes from 0 to 100 mph in the blink of an eye, and everyone is trying to squeeze their way into the first corners... there is never enough room! there is always someone's car stalling, and there is never much space for error, you rub a little bit on somebody else, and a big mess is about to happen.
I will never forget spa 98!! i think it was one of the sports best moments, i guess that is why in spa 08 kimi and lewis had to do a 10 year anniversary celebration! lol
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 03:01
Originally posted by giacomo
I have almost enough of people comparing Hamilton or anyone else with Senna.
You are right, giacomo.
Again we concur. Senna is incomparable.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 03:11
The liegate and DD controversies dominating the start of whats looking like an amazing season have ruined it this year so far.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 03:12
I will always follow, but won't go out of my way to get up at 3-5 am anymore. It seems lately that the better action is in reading the FIA press releases from their tribunals
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 03:43
No.
F1 has been testing my patience for the last few years (boring), but 2009 has been very interesting so far...
F1 has been testing my patience for the last few years (boring), but 2009 has been very interesting so far...
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 04:04
Originally posted by stevewf1
No.
F1 has been testing my patience for the last few years (boring), but 2009 has been very interesting so far...
True, very true.
Each season is unique in many ways. I've been following the sport since the 1970 season, so it is the 40th year now, and F1 never failed to amaze me, in so many ways. There is no other sport that produces so many stories, side-plots, backgrounds etc.
Uniquely, F1 never fails to create sensation and satisfaction.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 04:18
The racing alone this year has been great, the politics and rulings I could do without.Originally posted by stevewf1
F1 has been testing my patience for the last few years (boring), but 2009 has been very interesting so far...
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 05:24
Originally posted by senna da silva
OK, bit of a drama queen poll. But with all of the bullsh!t offtrack, taking away from anything that happens ontrack, becoming more and more prevalent. Have you just about had it?
Over the last 4 years my interest in F1 has declined. Too much politics, back stabbing, self interest, interference with results post race, too much fanboyism, fans not having enough repect for drivers (one in particular). I wont be setting the alarm special to watch the race. If i'm up i'll watch it, if not I'll watch the replay. At the moment, F1 doesn't deserve my loyalty, the show is a shambles.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 06:47
No, no, no!
The racing so far has been great! I like to see how McL and Ferrari will respond to their poor performance, and will they catch Brawn? It's very exciting right now.
The racing so far has been great! I like to see how McL and Ferrari will respond to their poor performance, and will they catch Brawn? It's very exciting right now.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 06:52
Exactly. Filter out all the outside influence (although in some cases you really can't since the outcome of those out-of-track activities will have a great impact on the circuit) and you have a season with incredible fighting and unpredictable results. Glock could have easily chased down Button in Malaysia, i am not saying he could pass him but he could definitely close the gap.
Its a spanking season and I think people are being unfair with the game.
I think this is the only time when one can truly say "Don't hate the game, hate the player!"
Its a spanking season and I think people are being unfair with the game.
I think this is the only time when one can truly say "Don't hate the game, hate the player!"
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 07:04
I have followed F1 since around 1977, and I love it. However if the ICA rule that the DD difusers are illegal that would probably be difficult for me to see this as a sport. In the off season it is up to the team to do the best with the regulations, which these 3 teams have done, its tough luck on the others. IMO
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 07:05
Originally posted by KiwiF1
I have followed F1 since around 1977, and I love it. However if the ICA rule that the DD difusers are illegal that would probably be difficult for me to see this as a sport. In the off season it is up to the team to do the best with the regulations, which these 3 teams have done, its tough luck on the others. IMO
x2 pretty much. except change 1977 to 2003 ;)
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 07:42
Originally posted by Chubby_Deuce
I've almost had enough of Racing Comments. :
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 07:51
Yes, but only from the perspective of watching the FIA/FOM make a mess of it - again!
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 07:54
I think I've had more than enough of the FIA.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 07:57
ditto. No one follows F1 for anything other than two hours on a sunday, without it, none of us would be here. Doubtless it was the racing that attracted us to the sport, and thats what it should be about.Originally posted by Owen
I think I've had more than enough of the FIA.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 08:00
On - track great. Off - track tedious.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 08:54
Originally posted by Frixos
I think this is the only time when one can truly say "Don't hate the game, hate the player!"
the on-track racing has been fantastic this year. but so far everything outside of the track has been disgraceful. first there was bernie's nonsensical points system, then there is DD and now liegate. there is too much drama off-track, and they're only interesting because of the potentially massive consequences.
i can't say i'm for max's style of innovating by legislation either. by that i mean KERS and the talk of budget caps and freedom of development for some. the most genious concepts in F1's history has been by teams interpreting the rules creatively and innovatively and finding areas of performance. not by the regulator developing it's own agenda for what innovation should look like.
i don't hate the players or the game, in this instance i hate the umpire.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 09:11
Now you don't really mean that do you......
In f1 the issues and actions my be hyped and sometimes officialdom does get rather facist at times, but formula one or grand prix racing IS all about extremes.
Right from the days when Enzo Ferrari withdrew his cars in a fit of pique from the US grand Prix or when the drivers went on stike at the South African Grand Prix or when the FIA are over sensitive and react or when teams are found out that they have compromised themselves in some ethical way.
But does anyone really want Mclaren suspended? On second thoughts I prefer no.
Do people really believe that Lewis is now someone of questionable character? No.
And fans react in extreme ways sometimes as well.
In one way or another this great sport - its greatness is no empty claim - has always been this way.
In f1 the issues and actions my be hyped and sometimes officialdom does get rather facist at times, but formula one or grand prix racing IS all about extremes.
Right from the days when Enzo Ferrari withdrew his cars in a fit of pique from the US grand Prix or when the drivers went on stike at the South African Grand Prix or when the FIA are over sensitive and react or when teams are found out that they have compromised themselves in some ethical way.
But does anyone really want Mclaren suspended? On second thoughts I prefer no.
Do people really believe that Lewis is now someone of questionable character? No.
And fans react in extreme ways sometimes as well.
In one way or another this great sport - its greatness is no empty claim - has always been this way.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 09:24
On track we're having a good start to the season. I wonder if we will lose some of the action as teams get to grips with aero decision due today and as KERS is rolled out on more cars. I also wonder how influential the tyre strategies were for the race in Australia and if we will also see a more standard approach from teams at most races making that race something of an exception - presumably the weather forecast was most important in putting everyone on the same tyres at the start of the last race and the rain prevented us from seeing differing strategies unfold.
Off track, things are worse than ever, considering we've only had one and a half races. The results of two races shouldn't be in doubt from a technical dispute. It does sound like Ross Brawn had hinted that there was a problem with the regulations, so the teams share part of the blame here. Then McLaren were clearly paranoid from the second half of last year onwards and it's resulted in the biggest possible mess. They are expecting instant decisions from race control that they can rely on, but it evidently doesn't work that way and they have to factor that in to the way they make decisions at races. The coverage of the whole affair is what's most annoying though... it's not actually a news story that someone said "ordinarily" in a sentence. Noone will speak to the media without a lawyer being present at this rate.
Off track, things are worse than ever, considering we've only had one and a half races. The results of two races shouldn't be in doubt from a technical dispute. It does sound like Ross Brawn had hinted that there was a problem with the regulations, so the teams share part of the blame here. Then McLaren were clearly paranoid from the second half of last year onwards and it's resulted in the biggest possible mess. They are expecting instant decisions from race control that they can rely on, but it evidently doesn't work that way and they have to factor that in to the way they make decisions at races. The coverage of the whole affair is what's most annoying though... it's not actually a news story that someone said "ordinarily" in a sentence. Noone will speak to the media without a lawyer being present at this rate.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 09:24
Anyone that answers clearly cares enough to still be bleating here.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 09:52
Yes, sort of. I like the idea but the execution sucks. I'm interested but not really excited. I wish I could just watch the racy bits on every second weekend or so and resent that I can't because it's such a high-profile sport that I can't escape the offputting off-track shenanigans even if and when I desperately want to. Which, incidentally, is most of the time.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 10:02
Given that the first two GP have been in the top 10% for entertainment of any in the past 10 years, the answer is a most definite no.
What I have had enough of though, is the ridiculous moaning about everything and anything from people, usually when the outcome doesn't suit them.
There's plenty of things in F1 that do not work just how we would like them too. Problem is they _do_ work the way, others like them. F1 has so many unreconcilable tensions that there simply will never be 'peace in our time'.
Build a bridge, get over it.
And enjoy the racing - because the racing we're getting this season is as good as it has been in a looonnng time.
What I have had enough of though, is the ridiculous moaning about everything and anything from people, usually when the outcome doesn't suit them.
There's plenty of things in F1 that do not work just how we would like them too. Problem is they _do_ work the way, others like them. F1 has so many unreconcilable tensions that there simply will never be 'peace in our time'.
Build a bridge, get over it.
And enjoy the racing - because the racing we're getting this season is as good as it has been in a looonnng time.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 10:40
I have started taking a huge interest in LMP 1 cars recently. Now there is a formula the FIA cant destroy.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 10:54
Originally posted by kar
Given that the first two GP have been in the top 10% for entertainment of any in the past 10 years, the answer is a most definite no.
What I have had enough of though, is the ridiculous moaning about everything and anything from people, usually when the outcome doesn't suit them.
There's plenty of things in F1 that do not work just how we would like them too. Problem is they _do_ work the way, others like them. F1 has so many unreconcilable tensions that there simply will never be 'peace in our time'.
Build a bridge, get over it.
And enjoy the racing - because the racing we're getting this season is as good as it has been in a looonnng time.
Mosley himself could not have said it better
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 11:08
I love F1 - on track. Hate it off track.
I usually await with eager anticipation my copy of Autosport landing on the doormat. Not this season. In fact the last two issues pretty much stayed in their wrappers for a few days cause I just did not want to read about all the BS off track. So the hell what if Hamilton and Ryan told a porky pie. They go caught, they got penalised. Simple as that. End of. Who the hell cares! The whole 'brought the sport into disrepute' is total and utter BS. The stewards should not have done such a knee jerk reaction in the first place and just left the results as it stood - McLaren did not appeal the place.
Anyway, if the stewards had simply just said, Ooops, made a mistake, lets swap them back, then there would have been no harm, now foul.
As for the whole 'lets change the championship a few weeks before it stars'-gate - pathetic.
The whole diffuser issue - GET OVER IT!!! They have been declared legal. All this talk about 'levelling the field'. For F's sake, its a competition between manufacturers as well as drivers - we dont want a spec car, so if some teams get an advantage, you can't whinge about it!
In short, I fear F1 is being used as a toy by two old gits. Mosely for his revenge power trip (who wont be satsfied till McLaren are out of the sport) and Bernie to satisfy his mad as hell money lust. The sooner those two shove off and leave the sport alone, the better.
We potentially have THE BEST f1 season for decades ahead of us, and I am actually clicking yes in a poll regarding whether I am sick of it or not. As a fan of over 20 years, that is saying something.
I usually await with eager anticipation my copy of Autosport landing on the doormat. Not this season. In fact the last two issues pretty much stayed in their wrappers for a few days cause I just did not want to read about all the BS off track. So the hell what if Hamilton and Ryan told a porky pie. They go caught, they got penalised. Simple as that. End of. Who the hell cares! The whole 'brought the sport into disrepute' is total and utter BS. The stewards should not have done such a knee jerk reaction in the first place and just left the results as it stood - McLaren did not appeal the place.
Anyway, if the stewards had simply just said, Ooops, made a mistake, lets swap them back, then there would have been no harm, now foul.
As for the whole 'lets change the championship a few weeks before it stars'-gate - pathetic.
The whole diffuser issue - GET OVER IT!!! They have been declared legal. All this talk about 'levelling the field'. For F's sake, its a competition between manufacturers as well as drivers - we dont want a spec car, so if some teams get an advantage, you can't whinge about it!
In short, I fear F1 is being used as a toy by two old gits. Mosely for his revenge power trip (who wont be satsfied till McLaren are out of the sport) and Bernie to satisfy his mad as hell money lust. The sooner those two shove off and leave the sport alone, the better.
We potentially have THE BEST f1 season for decades ahead of us, and I am actually clicking yes in a poll regarding whether I am sick of it or not. As a fan of over 20 years, that is saying something.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 11:42
I've had enough of the off-track rubbish.
Still enjoy the sport strangely enough.
Still enjoy the sport strangely enough.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 11:42
NO! I love F1. In fact I love it so much that when there is a 2-week gap between races I get withdrawal symptoms! 
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 12:10
well......almost. But it is a persisting feeling for the past ten years. It could last another ten.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 12:18
73 voted yes, 94 no (until now)
the forum would certainly be a nicer place again if from those 73 some would direct themselves to other sports...if you had enough of it great...
the forum would certainly be a nicer place again if from those 73 some would direct themselves to other sports...if you had enough of it great...
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 12:19
I'm really starting to get sick of this bullshit drama every year.
The only reason I'm really watching F1 races at this point so I can visit my parents. I don't have cable, and for some reason the powers that be have not established an official online broadcast service.
The only reason I'm really watching F1 races at this point so I can visit my parents. I don't have cable, and for some reason the powers that be have not established an official online broadcast service.
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Posted 14 April 2009 - 12:33
The politcs are becoming tedious and ugly.
Collectively the Teams, FIA, FOM and FOTA are as bad as each other. They live in a gold fish bowl.
Taking 6 weeks to debate the implications of lying to the FIA is a joke. I don't mind care what the punishment is, I just don't see why this cannot have been decided within 48 hours. I find the ongoing negative press embaressing to the whole sport. Just ban or fine the team and get on with it. I don't think its fair that we should be hearing each microscopic instalment of the story such as 'FIA demands BBC interviews' like nobody in the FIA has access to it and needed to demand it. Its just crap that the phiranas feed upon.
And as for the diffusor debate. Sam Michael actually claimed that the process for establishing was 'almost perfect'. Christ on a moped. Nearly Perfect?! As this diffusor was first questioned during winter testing, there is simply no excuse that the season started with this issue unresolved. The FIA has already passed this diffusor as legal. Then the scrutineers at 2 race tracks passed it as legal. Those decisons have been appealed so the FIA are now effectively being asked to change their minds 2 races into the season. How is that nearly perfect?
Its a shambles.
Collectively the Teams, FIA, FOM and FOTA are as bad as each other. They live in a gold fish bowl.
Taking 6 weeks to debate the implications of lying to the FIA is a joke. I don't mind care what the punishment is, I just don't see why this cannot have been decided within 48 hours. I find the ongoing negative press embaressing to the whole sport. Just ban or fine the team and get on with it. I don't think its fair that we should be hearing each microscopic instalment of the story such as 'FIA demands BBC interviews' like nobody in the FIA has access to it and needed to demand it. Its just crap that the phiranas feed upon.
And as for the diffusor debate. Sam Michael actually claimed that the process for establishing was 'almost perfect'. Christ on a moped. Nearly Perfect?! As this diffusor was first questioned during winter testing, there is simply no excuse that the season started with this issue unresolved. The FIA has already passed this diffusor as legal. Then the scrutineers at 2 race tracks passed it as legal. Those decisons have been appealed so the FIA are now effectively being asked to change their minds 2 races into the season. How is that nearly perfect?
Its a shambles.
