Green and...green
#1
Posted 28 April 2009 - 05:49
But
Cooper dark green and white
BRM dark green and orange
Lotus darkish green and yellow
I've seen dark/(ish) green and red and even green and blue on an Aston Martin sports car.
But what about dark green and a lighter green on an open-wheeler. Did anyone ever run that as like a regular 'team' colour?
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#2
Posted 28 April 2009 - 06:22
When it comes to getting your greens, this thread is worth a blimp, Vicuna.............
#3
Posted 28 April 2009 - 07:21
Might Barry have one ?
#4
Posted 28 April 2009 - 07:22
The colour was laughingly called British Grazing Green, but it was way lighter than grass....
Grass green was a colour close to that used by Tony Marsh on his Coopers and Lotus towards the back end of the 50s and the early 60s.
As for two-tone green, I'm struggling.....
#5
Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:14
#6
Posted 28 April 2009 - 08:43
#7
Posted 28 April 2009 - 10:26
Yep,think that is it BRG- Cooper F2 with pale green nose stripe?Originally posted by Vicuna
#8
Posted 28 April 2009 - 11:58
Originally posted by Barry Boor
The lightest green used regularly on any open-wheeler was probably on cars run by Ken Gregory's teams - whether they were entered under the name of the British Racing Partnership or Yeaman Credit.
The colour was laughingly called British Grazing Green, but it was way lighter than grass....
Grass green was a colour close to that used by Tony Marsh on his Coopers and Lotus towards the back end of the 50s and the early 60s.
As for two-tone green, I'm struggling.....
I seem to recolect that YEOMAN Credit's cars were pale green with a gold band round the nose.
Tony Marsh latterly has had a couple of his Gould hillclimb/sprint cars decked out in two-tone green but like most I am struggling to recollect a racing car from the 50s or 60s that was painted in two shades of green!
#9
Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:03
Pat
#10
Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:49
Lister's brief F2 effort ran in BP green and yellow (BL's sponsor's colours at the time, basically) , but legend has it that Napier was the first, probably the darkest ever. Brian maintains to this day that Lotus nicked the Lister colour scheme...
#11
Posted 28 April 2009 - 12:55
IIRC they were painted that way as green was a difficult colour to work with and ICI wanted to show off a bit.
#12
Posted 28 April 2009 - 13:09
So I wonder if the varying shades of BRP/UDT/Yeoman Credit green are all being correctly remembered, having been sprayed over different underlying colours. Having said which, I can't imagine the boys at Lotus missing the chance to save a bob or two by supplying a bare metal body - then again, not all the teams' cars came to them new or were Loti.
#13
Posted 28 April 2009 - 14:13
My books show the pale green (referred to as "apple green" in R&T way back then) Coopers with the nose painted red, sweeping all the way to the windscreen. This, of course, was when the BRP ran as Yeoman Credit. In 1961 Yeoman Credit took its money to Reg Parnell and his cars were dark BRG with a red stripe. BRP picked up sponsorship from UDT-Laystall and ran the cars (now mostly Lotus 18s) in the "BRP green" with a tartan plaid stripe on the nose.Originally posted by Stephen W
I seem to recolect that YEOMAN Credit's cars were pale green with a gold band round the nose.
It has been interesting to note all the shades of "BRG". From the light green of BRP to the very dark, seemingly mixed with gray, green of BRM. I always thought the Aston Martin green was mixed with a bit of silver to give it that distinctive Aston look.
Not to forget 1979 when Lotus changed its shade of green in mid year. They started out with a rather dark shade of green with Martini flashes along the cockpit surround. Later in the year they changed to a much lighter green with the Martini flashes now on the sidepods.
But as someone mentioned many years ago, any shade of green is BRG if it is on a race car.
Tom
#14
Posted 28 April 2009 - 14:18
I think we've discussed this before, but my clear recollection is that the Bowmaker cars were a very deep turquoise/dark blue with red nosesOriginally posted by RA Historian
In 1961 Yeoman Credit took its money to Reg Parnell and his cars were dark BRG with a red stripe
#15
Posted 28 April 2009 - 15:35
Briitish Racing Green was usually 'Sherwood Green' a mid colour and used before the darker shade was adopted by Jaguar and BRM.
Who cares if a car was two tone green? You guys do go down some blind alleys.
#16
Posted 28 April 2009 - 15:48
Originally posted by Bauble
Who cares if a car was two tone green? You guys do go down some blind alleys.
Ahh, but you should never forget Bauble, that in the land of the blind, the one eye'd man is King!;)
#17
Posted 28 April 2009 - 16:16
Did the Formula 1 Jaguars adopt a two-tone green livery at any time?
#18
Posted 28 April 2009 - 16:35
DCN
#19
Posted 28 April 2009 - 16:41
Well done, Pat! I've never noticed before. These are the best photos I could find on Google to show the true colours of the 191 - lighter green on the leading edge of the front wings and the upper surface of the sidepods - not just a trick of the light.Originally posted by Pat Clarke
First Jordan F1??
Pat
http://www.linksheav...6/jordan191.jpg
http://farm1.static...._7d61b111d6.jpg
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#20
Posted 28 April 2009 - 16:50
And the ICI F.2 Marches were two or three shades plus white.
#21
Posted 28 April 2009 - 16:54
Curiously, yes and no - a sort of hi-tech version of Doug's Aston Martins. I remember they tried BRG on the F1 Jaguars but on TV it looked black, so they resorted to a 'flip' green which altered its hue depending on the light - this time it really was a trick of the light! Not quite two-tone, though - several, just like the Astons, except all at once!Originally posted by D-Type
To be very boring and return to the original question:
Did the Formula 1 Jaguars adopt a two-tone green livery at any time?
Incidentally, aircraft modellers have strived for years to replicate the 'patchwork' effect of the panels of bare metal aircraft - seems like an accurate model of the Aston Martins would have to apply the same principle with varying shades of metallic green - and no two cars would be alike!
#22
Posted 28 April 2009 - 17:26
A very similar thing used to occur on the [British] railway network, right up and into the diesel era. Not so much the panels, but locos were often out-shopped in slightly differing shades.Originally posted by Doug Nye
Works Aston Martins tended to be in more than one shade of green I have been assured - dependent upon whether or not the notably irascible paint shop foreman was in a good mood the tin got shaken either furiously, or insufficiently.
#23
Posted 28 April 2009 - 23:10
I would assume that you are right, David. My memory is based on trying to recall faded color photos from 46 or so years ago!Originally posted by David McKinney
I think we've discussed this before, but my clear recollection is that the Bowmaker cars were a very deep turquoise/dark blue with red noses
Tom
#24
Posted 29 April 2009 - 06:42
Colour photos in, amongst other places, Roy Salvadori's autobiography confirm the fact.
#25
Posted 29 April 2009 - 07:14
Afraid this is accounted by poor colour printing Barry.Works Coopers were certainly Dark Green.Yeoman Credit /Bowmaker/Reg.Parnell cars 1961-67 a bluish dark green.I was there Anyone seeing turquoise must be thinking of an early Brabham/MRD?Originally posted by Barry Boor
Don't know about the turquoise aspect but the Coopers in 1961 and the Lolas in 1962 were most definitely dark blue.
Colour photos in, amongst other places, Roy Salvadori's autobiography confirm the fact.
#26
Posted 29 April 2009 - 08:41
And I'll swear by dark blue rather than dark green - greenish dark blue rather than bluish dark green
I was there too
#27
Posted 29 April 2009 - 09:03
Teal?Originally posted by David McKinney
I did say very dark turquoise, which has probably got another name
#28
Posted 29 April 2009 - 09:51
#29
Posted 29 April 2009 - 11:30
Originally posted by Barry Boor
There was no green in the Bowmaker blue; I am unanimous in that!
Okay Mrs Slocombe, no need to shout. :
#30
Posted 29 April 2009 - 11:40
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Works Aston Martins tended to be in more than one shade of green I have been assured - dependent upon whether or not the notably irascible paint shop foreman was in a good mood the tin got shaken either furiously, or insufficiently. Thus bonnet, boot lid, doors and fixed body panels were all liable to emerge with variably metallic shades and finishes...
DCN
I suppose the restorers today are inevitably not being very accurate then?
Whatever, I like this shade a lot...
#31
Posted 29 April 2009 - 13:17
Originally posted by David Beard
Is that Roger on the left?
#32
Posted 29 April 2009 - 15:44
I like that colour, too, but somehow it doesn't seem quite right, but then as we now know, there is no right where Astons are concerned.
#33
Posted 29 April 2009 - 15:52
Originally posted by Barry Boor
Yes it is!
I like that colour, too, but somehow it doesn't seem quite right, but then as we now know, there is no right where Astons are concerned.
But there is a left?
#34
Posted 29 April 2009 - 16:01
Originally posted by Barry Boor
Yes it is!
I like that colour, too, but somehow it doesn't seem quite right, but then as we now know, there is no right where Astons are concerned.
I must own up to have been messing about with the exposure settings on my shots taken in RAW format. I admit I might have gone a bit far with the side view...looks a bit gaudy. The others are reasonably true I think. Perhaps in 1959 the amount of metalic effect in the paint finish would have been a lot less striking?
The man who looks like Roger Clark appears to be up to no good, to me. I hope none of the knock off hub spinners went missing...
#35
Posted 29 April 2009 - 16:11
#36
Posted 30 April 2009 - 08:12
The man who looks like Roger Clark appears to be up to no good, to me. I hope none of the knock off hub spinners went missing...
They only become knock off hub spinners once they have been nicked!
#37
Posted 01 May 2009 - 13:33
#38
Posted 01 May 2009 - 14:37
They only become knock off hub spinners once they have been nicked!
Just repeating this to get the Thread to show up again!
#39
Posted 01 May 2009 - 15:31
I suppose the restorers today are inevitably not being very accurate then?
Whatever, I like this shade a lot...
I believe the Aston racing green was known as Aqua Verde at the factory. God knows what the ICI paint code is, though...
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Posted 01 May 2009 - 17:20
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#42
Posted 03 May 2009 - 22:02