Penske in NASCAR
#1
Posted 17 May 2009 - 23:44
I have few questions about Penske team. Since this board has a few knowledgeable chaps I decided to post it here, although at first I was thinking of posting it over there (for personal reasons) but then finlay I decided to post it here.
Questions:
1) In the early 90s, Penske team was associated with Ford in Nascar competition, while in Indycars they were associated with Chevrolet. How come? Did it bother Ford or Chevrolet for that matter
2) From the early 90s Penskes the main partner in indycars was Marlboro, yet they never ran Marlboro in Nascar. I find it a bit odd since Marlboro was quite popular in the southern states. Was it Winston that prevented that?
3) Was the name "Penske Racing South" official name, or was it used only to distingish the Nascar operation from the main team. Or was infact PRS completely independant from the main team so thats why they could sign contracts with opposition?
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#2
Posted 17 May 2009 - 23:59
I believe Penske Racing South was a seperate division of Penskes many. Can't remember the name of one of the partners who recently left, Rusty Wallace was the third with Penske.
#3
Posted 18 May 2009 - 00:53
One of their Nationwide cars i believe is sponsored by Verizon (Sprint opposition) and so i believe they enter the car under a name like 'Penske Verizon Racing' but the car runs in just black Penske branding.
#4
Posted 18 May 2009 - 01:25
Hi,
I have few questions about Penske team. Since this board has a few knowledgeable chaps I decided to post it here, although at first I was thinking of posting it over there (for personal reasons) but then finlay I decided to post it here.
Questions:
1) In the early 90s, Penske team was associated with Ford in Nascar competition, while in Indycars they were associated with Chevrolet. How come? Did it bother Ford or Chevrolet for that matter
2) From the early 90s Penskes the main partner in indycars was Marlboro, yet they never ran Marlboro in Nascar. I find it a bit odd since Marlboro was quite popular in the southern states. Was it Winston that prevented that?
3) Was the name "Penske Racing South" official name, or was it used only to distingish the Nascar operation from the main team. Or was infact PRS completely independant from the main team so thats why they could sign contracts with opposition?
Penske's NASCAR efforts go back to 1972 when he and Mark Donohue ventured South with AMC and the MATADOR as a way to continue with AMC with the demise of a competitive TRANS AM series. That effort which led to a Donohue win at the Winston Western 500 @ Riverside in 1973, ( A first with Disc Brakes in Winston Cup Cars. . .An "Unfair Advantage! ) also had Dave Marcis, Gary Bettenhausen, and Bobby Allison each taking turns behind the wheel. Allison delievered several wins starting at Ontario in 1974 with more in '75 including the Southern 500. The MATADOR ended its run with PENSKE at Riverside in jan 1976 with a Spectacular CAM 2 Scheme, and was replaced with a Mercury Montego, which at the time seemed to be hot choice for NASCAR with the Wood Brothers and Bud Moore winning several races a year since '73. That effort never showed any fruit, and by '77 Allison had moved on to his own team and was replaced by Dave Marcis in 1977, and the Mercury's were replaced by Chevy Laguna's and Monte Carlos. Beautiful cars resplendent in CAM 2 colors they nonetheless had no success. and by the end of the year PENSKE was out of NASCAR, and sold his entire stock of Winston Cup cars to the Elliot Family & Rod Osterlund, who enabled one Dale Earnhardt to win Rookie of the year and Champion honors back to back. . . thats another story.
Penske returned to NASCAR briefly in 1980 with Chevy's and a very young Rusty Wallace, with a couple of good runs, gauging a return down south with cars sponsored by NORTON and PENSKE Chevrolet. He decided against it, instead concentrating on CART and Indycar racing, which was his earlier reason for abandoning his previous efforts. He did return though in 1991 with Rusty Wallace and Miller Beer and PONTIAC's with the #2. They moved to a new development program
with FORD Thunderbird's in the mid 90's, and joined with Michael Kranefuss's #12 team, eventually buying it outright, before evolving to 3 teams, and moving to DODGE. Which is where he is today. The only MARLBORO signage ever seen on a PENSKE Related Stock Car was an IROC / Marlboro activity in the mid 90's for a promotion. The Cars looked fantastic. MILLER has been a constant, as has MOBIL 1, Kodak was with the team for 2-3 years as well. Though competitive always, success at the ROUSH or HENDRICK levels has yet to be attained. Though i'm sure with time PENSKE will conquer in NASCAR as well.
#5
Posted 18 May 2009 - 03:31
Was it Winston that prevented that?
According to one of the Marlboro executives with whom I occasionally worked, Philip Morris and RJR had a "gentleman's agreement" not to tread on each other's turf, which meant NASCAR and drag racing for RJR, F1 and CART for Marlboro, various other events, music festivals, rodeos, and the like were similarly split.
#6
Posted 18 May 2009 - 03:40
#7
Posted 18 May 2009 - 14:40
#8
Posted 18 May 2009 - 18:07