Sad to see BMW out but will we finally get the chance to see Prodrive or Martin Birraine get the slots on the grid they should have been given in the last round of team selections ?
Letting one or both teams in could be one way of the FIA deflecting criticism from the EU over the deeply flawed selection process.
If it's kept as only one place up for grabs, who should get it ?
Who gets BMW's place on the grid ?
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 09:09
It sure as hell aint going to be N. Technology, that's for damn sure. I guess they're now regretting taking the FIA to court.Sad to see BMW out but will we finally get the chance to see Prodrive or Martin Birraine get the slots on the grid they should have been given in the last round of team selections ?
Letting one or both teams in could be one way of the FIA deflecting criticism from the EU over the deeply flawed selection process.
If it's kept as only one place up for grabs, who should get it ?
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 09:10
It's way too late to start from scratch now. If it's anyone they will have to take over Sauber.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 09:11
Sad to see BMW out but will we finally get the chance to see Prodrive or Martin Birraine get the slots on the grid they should have been given in the last round of team selections ?
Letting one or both teams in could be one way of the FIA deflecting criticism from the EU over the deeply flawed selection process.
If it's kept as only one place up for grabs, who should get it ?
Somebody will buy BMW's F1 operation. It will probably be a management buyout, with BMW still providing engines until there are new engine regulations. It will have to be a slimmed down version along the lines of Brawn and Williams. The BMW facilities are first rate. Anybody with £25 million could by a state of the art team. The hard part now is finding the major sponsors. Bring on the budget cap.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 09:13
My guess is Epsilon Euskadi
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Dudley
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 09:13
If Petronas are willing to stick around that's half the battle, someone like Superfund with their own capital could run a team at that point.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 10:39
if someone does come in can they use bmw saubers entry fee or not
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 11:16
if someone does come in can they use bmw saubers entry fee or not
they can buy the team's entry, I don't think they will be eligible to take the tv revenues of this season aswel
Edited by Ruud de la Rosa, 29 July 2009 - 11:18.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 11:20
BMW will sell their F1 operations, just like Honda did, so it will be easier for a buying company to fill right in. But easier doesnt mean easy.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 11:24
BMW will sell their F1 operations, just like Honda did, so it will be easier for a buying company to fill right in. But easier doesnt mean easy.
If I remember corretly brawn didn't recieve tv money from last year because of a name change less than 5 years ago. I wonder if going from Sauber to BMW-Sauber is a name change as well?
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 15:12
Maybe Dave Richards will get Prodrive in now.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 15:31
well, its saying now that FOTA will do all they can to try and keep the team going next season in some form just like brawn
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 15:34
Maybe Dave Richards will get Prodrive in now.
He won't get in. He doesn't want to use a Cosworth.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 16:56
i wonder if he could persuade BMW for a engine deal for a year if he buys bmw sauber
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:04
Nobody is going to take their place, because they will stay. Sauber still owns 20%.
Just as with Honda, BMW will be happy to give everything away for 1,- EUR in order to get rid off the whole operation, so don't be surprised to see a Sauber-Ferrari on the grid next year.
Just as with Honda, BMW will be happy to give everything away for 1,- EUR in order to get rid off the whole operation, so don't be surprised to see a Sauber-Ferrari on the grid next year.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:14
keep in mind,
it's different then the Honda sell=
There's not a new car yet!
A totally new entrant can still buy the entry or something like that .... on the other hand,
the possitive thing is that there's lots more time between now and the start of the new season.
So more time for possible buyers or a new team.. but no car to test in the winter or a car that's already in progress.. is difficult to sell.
it's different then the Honda sell=
There's not a new car yet!
A totally new entrant can still buy the entry or something like that .... on the other hand,
the possitive thing is that there's lots more time between now and the start of the new season.
So more time for possible buyers or a new team.. but no car to test in the winter or a car that's already in progress.. is difficult to sell.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:22
You can always rebadge an engine!He won't get in. He doesn't want to use a Cosworth.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 17:30
A return to just "Sauber" please.
Edited by UPRC, 29 July 2009 - 17:30.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 18:05
A return to just "Sauber" please.
What is Peter Sauber doing these days?
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 18:09
Peter Sauber about the news of today=
http://en.f1-live.co...729164643.shtml
Peter Sauber on Wednesday played down hopes he might simply step back in and resume leadership of his Swiss-based Formula One team.
The 65-year-old, who sold his Hinwil-based outfit to BMW at the end of 2005, said he fears the Munich manufacturer's withdrawal from Formula One could mean the closure of the team.
"I respect and accept the decision but am still finding it hard to digest," Sauber, who retains a 20 percent shareholding of the team he founded in 1993, told the German news agency DPA.
It has been suggested that Sauber could now step back in and resume running the outfit as a privateer, but the Swiss played down that prospect.
"The position we are in now makes it very difficult," he said without elaborating. [/i]
http://en.f1-live.co...729164643.shtml
Peter Sauber on Wednesday played down hopes he might simply step back in and resume leadership of his Swiss-based Formula One team.
The 65-year-old, who sold his Hinwil-based outfit to BMW at the end of 2005, said he fears the Munich manufacturer's withdrawal from Formula One could mean the closure of the team.
"I respect and accept the decision but am still finding it hard to digest," Sauber, who retains a 20 percent shareholding of the team he founded in 1993, told the German news agency DPA.
It has been suggested that Sauber could now step back in and resume running the outfit as a privateer, but the Swiss played down that prospect.
"The position we are in now makes it very difficult," he said without elaborating. [/i]
Edited by Jedi_F1, 29 July 2009 - 18:09.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:29
I have a gut feeling somebody will purchase the team, since it is clearly in a better state than what the Honda assets looked from the outside last year. It has seven months to secure a place on the grid for Melbourne, and it should be given time to find a solution. However, I hope the other teams keep going, and are ready to race in 2011 if no solution is found. I really feel sympathy with all employees, who have done such an excellent job, and have now been fooled by an impatient board, who clearly doesn't know what it takes to win in F1! It's such a shame, because on balance, BMW has outperformed Honda and Toyota accumulated!
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:38
I read that FOTA are "prepared to help BMW survive".
That might make another Brawn fairytale quite unlikely. Watch Mosley.
That might make another Brawn fairytale quite unlikely. Watch Mosley.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:41
Why would Prodrive, Epsilon Euskadi or Lola want to buy BMW Sauber?
They won't because all three of them have an up and running factory and facilities so they have not interest to buy the Hinwill facilities.
They could buy the entry though and apparently Epsilon Euskadi still wants to enter next year.
Maybe Formtech (that initially wanted to enter under Brabham) is interested in buying the Hinwill based team.
But then they bought the remains of the Super Aguri team already.
Another candidate could be Superfund but do they have the budget?
Same for N-Technology, they don't seem a very serious candidate to me.
They won't because all three of them have an up and running factory and facilities so they have not interest to buy the Hinwill facilities.
They could buy the entry though and apparently Epsilon Euskadi still wants to enter next year.
Maybe Formtech (that initially wanted to enter under Brabham) is interested in buying the Hinwill based team.
But then they bought the remains of the Super Aguri team already.
Another candidate could be Superfund but do they have the budget?
Same for N-Technology, they don't seem a very serious candidate to me.
Edited by William Hunt, 29 July 2009 - 19:42.
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 19:55
Not Lada?
Thommo to F1
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Posted 29 July 2009 - 22:07
I read that FOTA are "prepared to help BMW survive".
That might make another Brawn fairytale quite unlikely. Watch Mosley.
Especially with the rules not changing as much as 08-09. It was once in a blue moon opportunity. Plus they aren't going full blast on the 2010 car either like Honda did
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 01:00
Just as with Honda, BMW will be happy to give everything away for 1,- EUR in order to get rid off the whole operation, so don't be surprised to see a Sauber-Ferrari on the grid next year.
At this price, this is a real chance for myF1dream to step in !
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 01:27
You read wrong. FOTA merely indicated that they will help team's employees to stay in F1 (or keep some job, etc.).I read that FOTA are "prepared to help BMW survive".
That might make another Brawn fairytale quite unlikely. Watch Mosley.
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Posted 30 July 2009 - 14:40
Epsilon Euskadi are interested, and they are a constructor. It is known that Barry Walsh is still looking for money in Asia to enter F1 next year somehow (that's how he got the Al Ain team for Super League), although Ultimate is not a constructor so I don't know which are their plans to build an F1 car... I guess they can make it like Campos. Let's see if Lola or Aston are still interested in 2010 F1.
