Will all motorsport be banned eventually?

Ok, the thought happened across my mind today that motorsport is one of the only sporting activities that in the real world is illegal. i.e, if you take your car out on the road and drive as fast as possible, you'll get fined and/or arrested. Personally, I'm fine with motorsport on private grounds on a circuit as it's up to us if we all want to take the risk and race/spectate etc. But in the future, one could really see some sort of p.c. nutjob banning all motorsport as mirroring an illegal activity, i.e. speeding. its not that out of the question really, switzerland did it....

Edited by nada12, 14 August 2009 - 23:54.

You'll also get arrested if you punch guys in the face like in boxing, or if you dish out vicious bodychecks to strangers like in hockey or football, or if you dash down a slope on your ski's with maximum speed. Dont mean to sound condescending, but practically every sport has elements that are only legal within the confinements of that sport, so that's not really much of a point you have there.

Switzerland lifted the ban two years ago.

Edited by Rob29, 15 August 2009 - 07:41.

Edited by Slowinfastout, 15 August 2009 - 08:00.

It's illegal to throw javelins in a crowd.

Oh and then I find this...

http://en.wikinews.o...on_motor_racing

Don't scoff the Isle of Mann TT held its first electric tt race this year

Yeah I heard that, oh hang on, no I didn't ...

Electric racing reminds me of the worlds most successful food; The Chip, also known as French Fries, has 3 ingredients - potato, oil and salt. Take one away and they taste like **** (especially the potato!).

Motor Racing has 3 ingredients - speed, thrills and SOUND. Take one away and you have ****.

Oh now you tell me....


Correct me if I'm wrong but the Swiss banned racing after the Lemons 1955 accident?

I'm not sure what they felt it had to do with them, maybe some of the spectators killed were Swiss?

Oh and then I find this...

http://en.wikinews.o...on_motor_racing

Edited by Rob29, 15 August 2009 - 15:26.

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^ Personally I hope so because there no real racing anymore, and I for one am of this racertainment B*.
Politicians should force a return to relevance/true motorsport or wipeout anything that goes against this.

And why would politicians care about motor-racing?

thats a good point that you bring up, and i agree that many other sports fit the same template, but i don't think that this is an angle thats been discussed much from a motorsport pov. I think one point is that motorsport really does need a green cred in some way or another to really ensure things keep going. i do think that f1 needs to try harder in this regard. we've got teams spending $150 million plus a year, and a hell of a lot of that gets spent on silly little things like flip ups which lets face it, are pretty useless for next years carolla. it is interesting to think that one day f1 could gain a negative rep though as well as motorsport in general, especially with the scenario of government 'speed kills' campaigns and then said government investing massively in a grand prix, it could easily be picked up by opposition parties etc.

Oh now you tell me....


Correct me if I'm wrong but the Swiss banned racing after the Lemons 1955 accident?

I'm not sure what they felt it had to do with them, maybe some of the spectators killed were Swiss?

Oh and then I find this...

http://en.wikinews.o...on_motor_racing

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 16 August 2009 - 02:21.

Yeah I heard that, oh hang on, no I didn't ...

Electric racing reminds me of the worlds most successful food; The Chip, also known as French Fries, has 3 ingredients - potato, oil and salt. Take one away and they taste like **** (especially the potato!).

Motor Racing has 3 ingredients - speed, thrills and SOUND. Take one away and you have ****.

"Among the competitors are past TT winners and a number of seasoned motor cycle racing pros, all of whom are excited by the challenges and prospect of racing clean machines,"

Edited by Demo., 15 August 2009 - 19:53.

Re:- your not hearing about the races
so is that my fault or yours?
People world wide did hear and consider them of them enough importance that they coverd them and not just in the racing press either
http://www.motorcycl...GP-Results.aspx
or
http://www.techradar...-tt-race-591453
More importantly they spectators (including me) also enjoyed the 150MPH bikes.
Yes they were different but that is all.
Different but the same!
The track was the same the racing was the same the enjoyment was the same.

All sport changes over time and while it is far too easy for the nay sayers to Pooh Pooh such changes in the short term. Long term they all add up to benefits. After all far too many people were just like you when it came to such stupid things as seatbelts in F1 cars would you argue they are not needed or detract from motorsport?
BY the way i think you need to check up on a few facts chips are not the most successful food even the spud in all its forms is not the most successfull food try rice it beats spuds in all its forms by 10 to 1

Edited by DOF_power, 15 August 2009 - 19:57.

Re:- your not hearing about the races

Re:- re:-, I read it that because the bikes were electric, they made no sound (or very little), not that cheapracer had not heard OF them.

Different ways of interpreting humour I guess.

Edited by Demo., 15 August 2009 - 20:29.

True if i missed such a joke sorry i did not 'get it' untill you pointed it out.
shame on me if that was what he meant
However i still stick by what i said and do think they are valid points.
Would you argue that ForeverF1?

After all it may have been quieter on the track but boy it made more noise in the racing world and other press than any other race(s) at this years TT.
What was even better was the way the 2 wheeled fraternity embraced them.


P.S. they did make quite a bit of sound but yes very very different but wind and tyre sounds never change the only difference was we got a chance for the first time to hear them mixed up with the motor sounds

That F1 is a dinosaur heading for extinction because it is lead by 'old men', I would argue with on the grounds that they have not always been 'old men' and other younger men will eventually take over from them, just as they took over from the 'old men' of the past.

These old men have been around since the 70s.

Well, to me, the '70s is quite recent.

And, of course, the cars and technology has stood still since then? I think not.

The technology has gone to peaks and then backwards and there no innovation or relevance anymore.

So, if you were to put a time line on technology, are you saying that the technology peaks in an earlier time frame were greater or lesser than the peaks later in that time line?

But, we digress, motor racing will never be banned (imho) whilst there are men and motors, whether they be internal combustion of fossil fuels, or, by any other means of propulsion.

The active ride era was the peak of GP racing technology. And the 6 wheelers and fan car of aerodynamics.

Personally, I would love to see the reincarnation of active suspension.

With the advanced knowledge of those systems and metals, I think they would be truly awesome machines and worthy of being called the pinnacle of motor sport.

I don't think the Tyrrell P34 was anything outstanding though even if it was a nice concept.

The 'Fan Car' BT46 was just downright dangerous for following cars and was rightfully banned.

Aerodynamics have certainly advanced in there concept, but, IMHO the 'ground effect' concept should never have been banned but allowed to progress.

I meant the Williams enhanced ground effects 6 wheeler, it had 4 times the aero efficiency of modern/contemporary aerodynamics.

But, the Williams FW08B never actually raced did it.

Under FiA I thought racing was banned

I think there won't be much motorsport going on when we start to run out of oil...

The 'Fan Car' BT46 was just downright dangerous for following cars and was rightfully banned.

Actually, the fan car was never banned. It was withdrawn by Brabham.

The argument that it was dangerous for following cars are vague at best.

According to Ecclestone's biographer Terry Lovell, the heads of the other FOCA teams, led by Colin Chapman threatened to withdraw their support for Ecclestone unless he withdrew the BT46B. Ecclestone negotiated a deal within FOCA whereby the car would have continued for another three races before Brabham would voluntarily withdraw it. However, the CSI intervened to declare that henceforth fan cars would not be allowed and the car never raced again in Formula One. The car was not considered to have been illegal when it raced however, so the Swedish Grand Prix win stood.

Edited by nordschleife, 17 August 2009 - 03:19.

I wonder why the decision did not apply retroactively. I suppose the grounds for exclusion cited by the CSI must have been that a fan car's effect on other racers' safety had not been considered by them until after its first race. On the other hand if they concluded that the fan was a movable aerodynamic device wouldn't the car and its results have been illegal and subject to being disallowed retroactively? Unless it was just an easier compromise to agree that Gordon Murray put one by us this time so keep the results but we're wise to it now, it's illegal, don't argue and don't bring any variation of it around again.

Edited by ForeverF1, 17 August 2009 - 03:33.