From Valencia on, how many podiums for Button?
#1
Posted 13 August 2009 - 20:51
#3
Posted 13 August 2009 - 21:17
As it is, they will keep on falling down the order and that midfield battle is so tight, on a good day you can end up 4th and on a slightly worse day, 12th.
#4
Posted 14 August 2009 - 02:21
#5
Posted 14 August 2009 - 02:26
#6
Posted 14 August 2009 - 10:19
#7
Posted 14 August 2009 - 11:22
Brawn have yet to show they can develop a car, with their performance dropping off constantly since the first race. There are other elements involved but it will surprise me if they can pull themselves out of the midfield in the rest of the season. I'll go with 2, and I'm talking 3rd places.
Brawn have yet to show they can develop a car [without Honda paying for 4 wind tunnels]. The ground that Brawn have lost this season is staggering, given the DD situation at the start of the year.
I went for 1.
Edited by bigginge, 14 August 2009 - 11:22.
#8
Posted 14 August 2009 - 12:16
#9
Posted 14 August 2009 - 12:51
#10
Posted 14 August 2009 - 13:02
This. With current form of Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari and Williams, well, even Renault, if they're not losing any more wheels during the race, I find it hard for Brawn to score any more podiums this season. IMO there will be a couple of lucky third places and this will be it.I'll go with 2, and I'm talking 3rd places.
#11
Posted 14 August 2009 - 13:46
#12
Posted 14 August 2009 - 14:29
#13
Posted 14 August 2009 - 14:33
It can't be some core design philosophy they are working with that keeps creating this problem can it? difficult to say if it was a problem in 07/08 because the car was so fundamentally bad both years
#14
Posted 14 August 2009 - 14:33
#15
Posted 14 August 2009 - 15:57
It was a combination of good driving and good strategy which got them those wins. Several times, other drivers and teams threw away chances.
I'm sure they will find some way of dealing with their tyre problems, so I think there will be at least 3 or 4 more podiums.
Edited by BillBald, 14 August 2009 - 16:05.
#16
Posted 14 August 2009 - 16:23
their performance dropping off constantly since the first race.
Say what now, check out race 6, Turkey ,,,,, then get back to us.
#17
Posted 14 August 2009 - 16:28
If you think back, all the races where they were so dominant were pretty hot. Australia, Malaysia, Bahrain, Turkey and Monaco - all warm/hot conditions. And the races where it wasn't as hot - China, Silverstone and the Nurburgring weren't as hot. Hungary was kind of in the middle(though raceday was cooler than rest of the weekend), and their lack of good qualifying pace(relative to their race pace) hurt them there.
I expect them to be back fighting at the front again soon. Its easy to get carried away and assume that they're officially only 3rd/4th best team, but that kind of drop-off is rare in F1, and its not unusual to see a good team have a run of bad races.
It seems that the most popular option chosen was 'zero', which seems like a gross overreaction if you ask me. Not only will Red Bull and BrawnGP be the only teams developing at 100% to the very end, but even only as 3rd best team, they'd still be liable to get another podium at some point with Brawn at the helm, in my opinion.
Edited by Seanspeed, 14 August 2009 - 16:29.
#18
Posted 14 August 2009 - 16:50
It seems that the most popular option chosen was 'zero', which seems like a gross overreaction if you ask me. Not only will Red Bull and BrawnGP be the only teams developing at 100% to the very end, but even only as 3rd best team, they'd still be liable to get another podium at some point with Brawn at the helm, in my opinion.
BrawnGP went down the wrong road development-wise once already. IF they can turn it around they have legitimate podium shots in some of the remaining races. Brawn have got to not only fix what they broke, but also attempt to catch Red Bull - thats asking a lot imo.
I wonder if Brawn got to keep the $28m supposably paid out upon signing of the new Concorde? Or, did Honda take that or did the two split it?
Oh, I voted no podiums... probably should have gone for one.
#19
Posted 14 August 2009 - 16:53
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#20
Posted 14 August 2009 - 17:31
Well its not certain that they went down the wrong road, development-wise. As far as I know, their latest developments just didn't help them improve as much as they thought it would. And that could be conditional as well. Maybe it did help them, but the conditions just didn't enable them to exploit those advantages as much as they might have liked? Anyways, its not unusual for a team to have one upgrade package that doesn't work as well as they'd like. Even the top teams have that happen once in a while.BrawnGP went down the wrong road development-wise once already. IF they can turn it around they have legitimate podium shots in some of the remaining races. Brawn have got to not only fix what they broke, but also attempt to catch Red Bull - thats asking a lot imo.
I wonder if Brawn got to keep the $28m supposably paid out upon signing of the new Concorde? Or, did Honda take that or did the two split it?
Oh, I voted no podiums... probably should have gone for one.
Like I said, even top teams in the past have gone through a run of bad races here and there. If these sorts of results continue for the next few races, I'll agree with you guys that they're out of contention, but until then, I still think they'll be back fighting at or near the front again soon. Hell, I wouldn't count them out for another race win or two or three.
Edited by Seanspeed, 14 August 2009 - 17:32.
#21
Posted 15 August 2009 - 09:39
No more podiums or even points. He's obviously the worst driver ever to step into a Formula 1 car and it's beyond anyone's understanding how he manages to get out of the garage, let alone win races.
Did you fall on your head?
#22
Posted 15 August 2009 - 09:41
Did you fall on your head?
I think your Internet sarcasm filter is broken.
On a serious note, I'd say three more podiums for Jenson this season, but no more wins.
#23
Posted 15 August 2009 - 10:41
#24
Posted 15 August 2009 - 10:50
Two RBR's
Two Mclarens
A Ferrari or two
A Williams
All appear to be able to ensure that he doesnt get any more.
#25
Posted 15 August 2009 - 11:46
Brawn are all punched out
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#26
Posted 15 August 2009 - 11:46
#27
Posted 15 August 2009 - 13:01
Well, we have different perspectives about this situaton. I'm one of those who voted "zero", the reason is that I don't think that only circunstances ruined Brawn's performance, the car dropped not only in one track or temperature condition, neither in a unique layout(which wouldn't be the case anyway since Brawn was good in every kind of corner). In certain circuits, it seems to me that about 4 or 5 cars are better than Brawn atm, eventhough drivers like Glock, Trulli and Nakajima rarely delivers the car's potential result. Exception to Spa and Suzuka where I think Brawn can do better than Mclaren and Ferrari, in all other tracks I think at least 4 teams will be better.I dont think BrawnGP has dropped off as much as it seems. I just dont think the conditions these past few races have suited them, and some crappy strategies haven't helped, either.
If you think back, all the races where they were so dominant were pretty hot. Australia, Malaysia, Bahrain, Turkey and Monaco - all warm/hot conditions. And the races where it wasn't as hot - China, Silverstone and the Nurburgring weren't as hot. Hungary was kind of in the middle(though raceday was cooler than rest of the weekend), and their lack of good qualifying pace(relative to their race pace) hurt them there.
I expect them to be back fighting at the front again soon. Its easy to get carried away and assume that they're officially only 3rd/4th best team, but that kind of drop-off is rare in F1, and its not unusual to see a good team have a run of bad races.
It seems that the most popular option chosen was 'zero', which seems like a gross overreaction if you ask me. Not only will Red Bull and BrawnGP be the only teams developing at 100% to the very end, but even only as 3rd best team, they'd still be liable to get another podium at some point with Brawn at the helm, in my opinion.
Brawn is struggling with financial resources atm and the development was affected. In Silverstone qualifying the temperature was the lowest and Brawn was still the 2nd best car behind RBR, then in Germany the temperature was a bit higher and the performance in quali was much worse than in England. In Hungary, this decrease in Brawn's car development was confirmed in a significantly different situation.
Is wait to see how things turns to be, but I can only see Brawn's "recovery" in fast corners tracks.
#28
Posted 15 August 2009 - 13:21
#29
Posted 15 August 2009 - 21:27
I think your Internet sarcasm filter is broken.
On a serious note, I'd say three more podiums for Jenson this season, but no more wins.
i agree but perhaps not even another podium...
he does not need that
he does not even need to outscore his opponents
only not score less than 18.5 points less than anyone else
that will end up with JB as WDC 2009