Just to underline the absurdity of you post: At no time did I say that by reducing braking distances we would see better overtaking manoeuvres. I stated that we would see more overtaking opportunities. The term "best overtaking" was introduced by you and is quite spurious to the point that was being made. Just an opinion Ogami.;)
Okay so you say, i said "Pgj says that reducing braking distances would see more overtaking opportunities" right?
So, first "reducing braking distances" is blurry, i don't know if you're talking about reducing the efficiency of brakes or the inverse..
But then i would advise you to re-read my first sentance which was:
"I disagree that the shortened braking distances as they are have decreased overtaking".
and guess why i said that?
Becaus you said:
Shortening braking distances does not improve overtaking opportunities. Improving braking efficiency will reduce overtaking opportunities even more by shortening braking distances through increasing the thickness of brake discs
That's pretty simple actually.
now as of the whole "show, arrogant, high value opinion Ogami", when you say "Shortening braking distances does not improve overtaking opportunities. Improving braking efficiency will reduce overtaking opportunities even more by shortening braking distances through increasing the thickness of brake discs"
That's an opinion
when i say "No they didn't"
That's an opinion
When i say " They didn't because of 1/increased slipstream time 2/greater speed differential" that's arguments...note that there's no such word as "fact" or "reality" no i said, "arguments" .
And to support my "arguments" i show you a youtuve video in which you can see, out of 15 overtakes moves at least 5 which are clear overtakings that's a fact: you have braking overtakings even now and you have them in a quite significant amount.
So you're free to discuss either my arguments either that video..but you're certainly not going to have a point with "youtube video can be fakes"...I guess this is plain obvious here that the video is real and showing quite explicit overtaking on braking maneuvers.
Next you talk about drivers, and i'll bring my arguments, Do you think the TWG (of the FIA) and OWG (which is under the TWG responsability) would have done several studies since 1998 on the subject if drivers had the answer??
No. What NH is talking about is called a "pits myth" by engineers.
My take on it:
1/too downforce dependant: Oh yes if you cut downforce to zero, you don't have any DOWNFORCE related problems. Now the problem is that the cars would be formula Fords. So you don't cut the downforce to Zero, and you still have to have enough of it: Studies (by the TWG, the OWG, BMW) showed that the loss of downforce was not related to the amount of downforce produced relative to the mechanical grip, and if you want Pat symonds (farewell) explained this in a renault F1 podcast this year.
2/Too fast: Oh so by too fast you have less time to overtake? Yes..but like everything with speed, when the other makes a mistake he travels very far....So what does NH want?
3/Braking distances: see my arguments.
Edited by Ogami musashi, 30 September 2009 - 11:12.