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AUTOSPORT.com's top 10s of the decade

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#101 jcbc3

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:44

I'm a HUGE Hamilton fan. But placing him above Alonso (even if I think he is 'better' as of right now) on a decade list is just wrong.

At least they got No. 1 right. I am wondering how many will disagree. :drunk:

#102 Gareth

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:47

That's a little weird and a bit too focused on what happened the last 2 or 3 years.

Agree - given it's about what happened in the 00s only, it seems an odd list to me. Last couple of years and (from some of the reasoning) potential for next few years seem to have influenced things which, IMO, isn't exactly right.

To me that means Alonso is in 3rd where he should be 2nd. Kimi should be a lot higher (3rd or 4th). Hamilton in 3rd or 4th, rather than second. Vettel should be a lot lower. Kubica possibly shouldn't make it in.

I'm also unsure about Massa's place - only 2 decent seasons (07 and 08 - and 07 wasn't exactly spectacular) in the 00's should not qualify you for a top 10 spot IMO.

#103 jcbc3

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:50

Oh dear. Just read it through. From MS's:

... Senna is the only realistic threat to his claim of being best of all time...

Don't let the TNF'ers see that.

#104 noikeee

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:50

Btw I'm not sure if we should continue this discussion here, or in this thread: http://forums.autosp...howtopic=121199. Plenty of different opinions about the F1 top 10 there.

#105 ryan86

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 11:51

Sometimes I think these lists exist with some weird ones otherwise we'd all go I agree with that and move on. I'm sure others would disagree with my list, but it was made with the best of intentions.

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Fernando Alonso
3. Kimi Raikkonen
4. Lewis Hamilton
5. Juan Pablo Montoya
6. Jenson Button
7. Rubens Barrichello
8. Mika Hakkinen
9. Felipe Massa
10. Sebastian Vettel

Edited by ryan86, 31 December 2009 - 11:52.

#106 jeze

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:10

Dodgins's list was crap, but such are always his driver ratings at the Grands Prix, so I'm not really surprised about it. Suggesting that Vettel achieved more than Räikkönen in this decade is just crazy... It shows that people's memories sometimes are way too short.

Edited by jeze, 31 December 2009 - 12:10.

#107 Jackmancer

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:12

Tbh I think the Eurosport lists where better.

#108 potmotr

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:17

Dodgins's list was crap, but such are always his driver ratings at the Grands Prix

They're written by Edd Straw. The ones in Autosport.

#109 wj_gibson

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 13:05

They're written by Edd Straw. The ones in Autosport.

I'm fairly relaxed on these sorts of lists nowadays, they're always subjective, but Button ahead of Raikkonen is plain boonies.

#110 potmotr

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 13:08

I'm fairly relaxed on these sorts of lists nowadays, they're always subjective, but Button ahead of Raikkonen is plain boonies.

Yeah, I agree.

They're just talking points to encourage debate, magazine sales and web traffic.

#111 FlatOverCrest

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 13:19

WRC
10. Tommi Makinen
9. Markko Martin
8. Carlos Sainz
7. Mikko Hirvonen
6. Gilles Panizzi
5. Petter Solberg
4. Colin McRae
3. Richard Burns
2. Marcus Gronholm
1. Sebastien Loeb

I would tweak slightly...

1: Seb Loeb
2: Marcus Gronholm
3: Petter Solberg
4: Carlos Sainz
5: Colin McRae
6: Richard Burns
7: Mikko Hirvonen
8: Tommi Makinen
9: Markko Martin
10: Gilles Panizzi

#112 Toby Moody

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 13:24

Oh Gawd.... I know. Stoner so low. I wrote it in a hurry as usual journo panic on deadline...did VR in 1st and then Gibbers because was concentrating on the 990s...then wrote the other 8, so bit of a mess by me for which I apologise.

Bigger apologies all round, least of all to CS and DP and JL. Sent my new order to the office, but they are all on hols and who can blame them with the work they all put in throughout the year. They are heroes at ALL hours of the day with, for example, Australian MotoGP and Sao Paulo F1 on the same day.

For the record, MY order is as follows so please look at it this way...:

1 VR
2 S Gib
3 Stoner
4 Lorenzo
5 Hayden
6 Pedrosa
7 Capirossi
8 Biaggi
9 MM
10 KRJR

People who were 11th included McCoy (won the first race of the decade) and Kato. Maybe OJ?

In Buenos Aires for the Dakar at present so no hols for me.

Happy New Year everyone.

TM

#113 P123

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 13:28

That's a little weird and a bit too focused on what happened the last 2 or 3 years. Had they swapped Kimi with Seb it'd be okay.

JPM should be there too somewhere.

Yep, it looks as if more weight has been given to what has happened in the past few years.

#114 santori

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 13:28

Now I'm outraged that you've put Biaggi only eighth. :lol:

#115 Hairpin

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 14:04

For those doubting the list exists, here is the top...

Worth point out that the list appears to be the opinion of Tony Dodgins alone rather than the whole team.

Or am I missing something here?

I was joking about it a bit carelessly, because that list is so absurd that it was very difficult to believe it was done by a pro. Häkkinen in fron of Kimi, after only two lackluster seasons in the 00's. Ok, one decent and one crap. Massa in front of Kimi after only one impressive season (08) and... well, the ONLY thing right with that list is Schumi as #1, that is indisputable.

I just say this: Great list, spot on! :up:

#116 BMW_F1

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 14:08

very weird list.

#117 Hairpin

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 14:14

Oh Gawd.... I know. Stoner so low. I wrote it in a hurry as usual journo panic on deadline...did VR in 1st and then Gibbers because was concentrating on the 990s...then wrote the other 8, so bit of a mess by me for which I apologise.

Bigger apologies all round, least of all to CS and DP and JL. Sent my new order to the office, but they are all on hols and who can blame them with the work they all put in throughout the year. They are heroes at ALL hours of the day with, for example, Australian MotoGP and Sao Paulo F1 on the same day.

For the record, MY order is as follows so please look at it this way...:

1 VR
2 S Gib
3 Stoner
4 Lorenzo
5 Hayden
6 Pedrosa
7 Capirossi
8 Biaggi
9 MM
10 KRJR

People who were 11th included McCoy (won the first race of the decade) and Kato. Maybe OJ?

In Buenos Aires for the Dakar at present so no hols for me.

Happy New Year everyone.

TM

That is good, although I would put Capirossi and Biaggi as 4 &5, ahead of Pedrosa. They both drove many magnificet races during the first part of the decade.

#118 Phoenixx

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 14:36

Very weird list. Kubica (beaten by 'SlowNick') and Mark Webber in Top 10 ??
And no JPM, Coulthard, Barrichello, R Schumacher in that list ?

#119 Anssi

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 14:46

In my opinion the clear top-3 from 2000-2009 in F1 have been Michael Schumacher, Fernando Alonso and Kimi Räikkönen.

I don't see how you can place any of the other drivers ahead of them. Of course it is a subjective opinion - but it is strongly supported by statistics as well.

In the recent couple of years imho clearly Lewis, Kimi and Fernando have been the top-3. Perhaps not surprisingly these seem to be the ones with the most fans.

Edited by Anssi, 31 December 2009 - 14:48.

#120 juicy sushi

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 14:50

I'd guess most of the riders laughing at Max would be lapped by him if they ever managed to get on the same grid. If his 500/Motogp career hadn't run into Rossi's he'd have a couple more titles to go with his four 250 ones.

How about:

Rossi
Stoner
Biaggi
Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Gibernau
Hayden
Capirossi
Barros
Roberts

But I want Edwards and Melandri there, too.

I don't think Edwards has shown merit to be included, he was good in Superbike, but proved that MotoGP was indeed a step beyond. Melandri is just too inconsistent, and has never threatened anyone for a title. I think Hayden and Roberts should be above Lorenzo and Pedrosa. Yes, Jorge and Dani may ultimately prove to be better, but until they win titles, they're just not worthy of being put up the list. Roberts won a title in text-book style on a 2-stroke 500 (which I think is more of a feat that what Stoner or Hayden managed), and Hayden won when everyone else choked. It was one of only two off-years for Rossi in the decade (the other was 2007), and when everyone else had the golden opportunity, they stumbled. Hayden didn't, and won a title as a result. He also beat Biaggi in 2005 when he was his teammate.

I don't think Barros is really deserving of consideration, as he was worthless at developing a bike (see his season at HRC), and couldn't win from the front (Schwantz said it at the start of his career, and it was true until the end).

There may only be a justifiable Top 9 this decade in MotoGP.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 14:54

Stoner became WDC very young on a Ducati, breaking the Japanese brands dominance over years.

Isn't that a feat comparable with MS breaking Ferrari's duck ?

#122 noikeee

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 15:05

"The top 10 F1 cars, 2000-2009" - can we get the list?

Here's my attempt at doing one:

1. Ferrari F2002
2. Ferrari F2004
3. Ferrari F2001
4. Renault R25
5. Renault R26
6. Ferrari F1-2000
7. Brawn GP BGP001
8. McLaren MP4-15
9. Ferrari 248 F1
10. McLaren MP4-20

It's difficult not to pick all 10 winning championship cars, but I slotted in the 2000 and 2005 runner-up Macs, and the 2006 runner-up Ferrari ahead of the winning car for Ferrari in 2003 (which had little over Mac and Williams) and the winning cars of 2007 and 2008 where we practically had a tie between the Ferraris and the Macs.

#123 Kaiser

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 15:23

I wish that I followed other races too, not just F1.

Good god man, watch some motorcycle racing. You'll actually find yourself jumping up and yelling.

#124 juicy sushi

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 15:39

Good god man, watch some motorcycle racing. You'll actually find yourself jumping up and yelling.

Definitely. If there was going to be a top 10 list for most exciting genres of the sport, then motorcycle road racing would have been the best this decade. While MotoGP has fallen off after the move to 800cc, WSBK has re-emerged as barely controlled mayhem, and the 250s have been absolutely terrific race-in, race-out.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 17:10

"The top 10 F1 cars, 2000-2009" - can we get the list?

Yep,

Tony Dodgins compiles his list of the best Formula 1 cars of the last 10 years:
10. Ferrari F1-2000
9. Renault R26
8. McLaren MP4-23
7. Red Bull RB5
6. Brawn BGP001
5. Ferrari F2001
4. McLaren MP4-20
3. Renault R25
2. Ferrari F2002
1. Ferrari F2004

Once again, the full explanations and stats are in the subscription only full article

#126 Atreiu

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 17:44

The pilots list is a lot like mine, just bump Webber out and put JPM in.

Guys like Coulthard and Barrichello really have no business in such a list, they've had more than enough chances but always came short.

#127 aditya-now

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 01:07

Sometimes I think these lists exist with some weird ones otherwise we'd all go I agree with that and move on. I'm sure others would disagree with my list, but it was made with the best of intentions.

1. Michael Schumacher
2. Fernando Alonso
3. Kimi Raikkonen
4. Lewis Hamilton
5. Juan Pablo Montoya
6. Jenson Button
7. Rubens Barrichello
8. Mika Hakkinen
9. Felipe Massa
10. Sebastian Vettel

ryan86, totally agree with your list. There is not a single driver I would put differently!

#128 RedDawn

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 01:35

Yep,

Tony Dodgins compiles his list of the best Formula 1 cars of the last 10 years:
10. Ferrari F1-2000
9. Renault R26
8. McLaren MP4-23
7. Red Bull RB5
6. Brawn BGP001
5. Ferrari F2001
4. McLaren MP4-20
3. Renault R25
2. Ferrari F2002
1. Ferrari F2004

Once again, the full explanations and stats are in the subscription only full article

How can he rate the Renault R25 as 3rd best car of the decade when it spent most of the season being much slower than the Mclaren. The F2001 was just as reliable and much faster relative to its competition that year, not to mention a lot of other cars. The Brawn should be 3rd. Its level of dominance in the hands of two ordinary drivers prove it was one of the very best ever, let alone this decade. When judging cars both drivers performances must be included, and according to Mr Dodgins, a talented and well established driver like Fisichella, could only manage 60 points, 5th in the Wdc, and 3 podiums in the 3rd best car of the decade. :eek:

Edited by RedDawn, 01 January 2010 - 02:59.

#129 armchair expert

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 01:54

Oh Gawd.... I know. Stoner so low. I wrote it in a hurry as usual journo panic on deadline...did VR in 1st and then Gibbers because was concentrating on the 990s...then wrote the other 8, so bit of a mess by me for which I apologise.

Bigger apologies all round, least of all to CS and DP and JL. Sent my new order to the office, but they are all on hols and who can blame them with the work they all put in throughout the year. They are heroes at ALL hours of the day with, for example, Australian MotoGP and Sao Paulo F1 on the same day.

For the record, MY order is as follows so please look at it this way...:

1 VR
2 S Gib
3 Stoner
4 Lorenzo
5 Hayden
6 Pedrosa
7 Capirossi
8 Biaggi
9 MM
10 KRJR

People who were 11th included McCoy (won the first race of the decade) and Kato. Maybe OJ?

In Buenos Aires for the Dakar at present so no hols for me.

Happy New Year everyone.

TM

Thanks for the clarification Toby.
(I'd still put Stoner ahead of Gibernau

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#130 J2NH

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 03:18

Of course everyone knows that the decade does not end until Dec. 31, 2010.

#131 RedDawn

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 05:52

10. Mark Webber
9. Robert Kubica
8. Kimi Raikkonen
7. Felipe Massa
6. Mika Hakkinen
5. Jenson Button
4. Sebastian Vettel
3. Fernando Alonso
2. Lewis Hamilton
1. Michael Schumacer

The Autosport top 10 is worse than I thought it would be. Where to start?

Hamilton has no business being ahead of Alonso on this list as he has acheived far less this decade. Alonso was the driver who stopped the domination of Schumacher, he won 2 titles and 21 races, thats much more than Hamilton achieved. Autosport clearly based their ranking on personal driver preference and believing Hamilton is better than Alonso. Thats debatable but thats not what this poll is about.

Button has no business being 5th either. He only won 1 race the entire decade until the final year when had a dominant car at his disposal. He also spent too much of the decade getting beaten by team mates.

Kubica at 9th is terrible. He hasnt even beaten his team mate during the decade and only 1 race. Whats he doing there?

There's some drivers left out who I thought should be included though - primarily Rubens. He was on the podium over 60 times this decade, came closer to Michael Schumacher in equal machinery than any other driver, and put up a credible title challenge in 2009 - indeed for the second half of the season he looked better than Jenson. Also where is Montoya? He won 7 races in two different teams, and had some great drives. He should be ranked ahead of a lot of those drivers listed. This seems to primarily be a

British press is such a drag.

#132 zlev

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 06:19

Top 10 cars IMO...

1. Ferrari F2004
2. Ferrari F2002
3. Renault R26
4. McLaren MP4-20
5. Brawn BGP001
6. Renault R25
7. McLaren MP4-23
8. Ferrari F2001
9. Ferrari F2007
10. Red Bull RB5

Honorable mentions go to the McLaren MP4-22, Ferrari F2006, BAR-Honda BAR006, and BMW-Sauber F1.08

Top 5 were all dominant on pace for long stretches of a season

#133 fullcourseyellow

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 06:39

That F-1 drivers' list is totally ridiculous. Vettel 4th? Raikkonen 8th?

I totally agree with the posters who think Barrichello and Montoya should be on the list. ryan86's list is a million times better.

#134 potmotr

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 11:19

James Allen's list is much more to my liking. It seems much less influenced by recent history that the Autosport list. He also includes JPM and DC, which I think is needed. Both drove some great races, early in the decade for DC, mid-00s for JPM.

1- Michael Schumacher
2- Fernando Alonso
3- Lewis Hamilton
4 -Kimi Raikkonen
5- Felipe Massa
6- Juan Pablo Montoya
7- Rubens Barrichello
8- Jenson Button
9- David Coulthard
10- Sebastian Vettel

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/

Edited by potmotr, 01 January 2010 - 11:20.

#135 cheapracer

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 11:28

James Allen's list is much more to my liking. It seems much less influenced by recent history that the Autosport list. He also includes JPM and DC, which I think is needed. Both drove some great races, early in the decade for DC, mid-00s for JPM.

1- Michael Schumacher
2- Fernando Alonso
3- Lewis Hamilton
4 -Kimi Raikkonen
5- Felipe Massa
6- Juan Pablo Montoya
7- Rubens Barrichello
8- Jenson Button
9- David Coulthard
10- Sebastian Vettel

+1 Solid list. :up:

How anyone can put Webber in a list and not DC and Rubes is amazing both on track and statistically.

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 12:11

Thank you to everyone that's joined in. It's great to see so many opinions, and we expected criticisms - especially with lists created by a single person - that's the beauty of debate!

We have also created a list of F1 drivers of the decade compiled by the combined votes of the magazine and website staff and contributors, which is a lot more along the lines of the comments here.

If you're a subscriber, you can read the full article here

If not, these are the results (each person's top 10 drivers scored using the 2009 F1 points system)

1. M. Schumacher 254
2. Alonso 235
3. Hamilton 191
4. Raikkonen 177
5. Button 111
6. Vettel 89
7. Massa 88
8. Montoya 83
9. Hakkinen 79
10. Barrichello 55
11. Coulthard 23
12. Kubica 13
13. R. Schumacher 8
14. Trulli 4
15= Webber 3
15= Sato 3
17. Verstappen 2
18. Villeneuve 1

Edited by AUTOSPORT.com, 01 January 2010 - 12:13.

#137 cheapracer

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 12:17

We have also created a list of F1 drivers of the decade )

17. Verstappen 2

Frans has a brother?

#138 DLaw

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 12:52

Mark Webber #10? :rotfl:

Who's been drinking?

#139 Atreiu

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 12:54

Webber, DC and Barrichello have no place on the list, unless sitting around waiting for a blessed car to come your way is some sort of achievement.

- Webber scored points in a Minardi, but what elese did he do that had any impression over the decade? The one time he had a very good car, he got beaten fair and square by a guy who just got out of his diapers.
- how many races did Barrichello not win with the best car of the grid? How many times was he stomped and shamed by his teammate (including Button, for Christ's sake)?
- DC had two good seasons in 2000 ad 2001, but he was also so far away from the bar, not to mention some horrible seasons. Raikkonen was driving circles around him in the end, 2008 was a 12 month crash fest, and on and on. I don't think what he did had any lasting impression upon the decade.

So, basically, to make it to the list, having some sort of lasting impression is a requirement and I can think of ten other guys who were better at that than those three.

#140 postajegenye

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 12:58

The F1 list must be a joke :lol:

It is supposed to be a "best of the decade" list . Then, how come Mika is two places ahead of Kimi? How the hell is Kimi 8th if Vettel is 4th? :lol:

Button 3 places ahead of Kimi? (And I'm no Kimi fan.)
Where is Montoya, if Kubica and Webber are there on the list?
Why has Webber done more than Barrichello?
I'd also put Hamilton behind Alonso (if we're talking about the whole decade, definetely.)

At least they got MS right...

P.S.: I quite like James Allen's list.

Edited by postajegenye, 01 January 2010 - 12:59.

#141 gerry nassar

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 15:26

The F1 list must be a joke

It is supposed to be a "best of the decade" list . Then, how come Mika is two places ahead of Kimi? How the hell is Kimi 8th if Vettel is 4th? Button 3 places ahead of Kimi? (And I'm no Kimi fan.)
Where is Montoya, if Kubica and Webber are there on the list?
Why has Webber done more than Barrichello?
I'd also put Hamilton behind Alonso (if we're talking about the whole decade, definetely.)

At least they got MS right...

P.S.: I quite like James Allen's list.

Dodgins obviously hates Kimi. You can tell from his commentary. Regardless, it's just embaressing and paints him as a fanboy like anyone else.

I also like the James Allen list!

#142 santori

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 15:36

Thank you to everyone that's joined in. It's great to see so many opinions, and we expected criticisms - especially with lists created by a single person - that's the beauty of debate!

We have also created a list of F1 drivers of the decade compiled by the combined votes of the magazine and website staff and contributors, which is a lot more along the lines of the comments here.

If you're a subscriber, you can read the full article here

If not, these are the results (each person's top 10 drivers scored using the 2009 F1 points system)

1. M. Schumacher 254
2. Alonso 235
3. Hamilton 191
4. Raikkonen 177
5. Button 111
6. Vettel 89
7. Massa 88
8. Montoya 83
9. Hakkinen 79
10. Barrichello 55
11. Coulthard 23
12. Kubica 13
13. R. Schumacher 8
14. Trulli 4
15= Webber 3
15= Sato 3
17. Verstappen 2
18. Villeneuve 1

This isn't the sort of thing I'd publicise.

#143 DLaw

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 15:41

Dodgins obviously hates Kimi. You can tell from his commentary. Regardless, it's just embaressing and paints him as a fanboy like anyone else.

I also like the James Allen list!

James Allen

Webber maybe, just may be #49 in my book, Dodgins had one too many! :rotfl:

#144 santori

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 15:43

Sato and Verstappen? Ahead of, say, a certain pair of Mönchengladbachers? Taku might have been eighth on three lists?

Edited by santori, 01 January 2010 - 15:48.

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 17:25

Thank you to everyone that's joined in. It's great to see so many opinions, and we expected criticisms - especially with lists created by a single person - that's the beauty of debate!

We have also created a list of F1 drivers of the decade compiled by the combined votes of the magazine and website staff and contributors, which is a lot more along the lines of the comments here.

If you're a subscriber, you can read the full article here

If not, these are the results (each person's top 10 drivers scored using the 2009 F1 points system)

1. M. Schumacher 254
2. Alonso 235
3. Hamilton 191
4. Raikkonen 177
5. Button 111
6. Vettel 89
7. Massa 88
8. Montoya 83
9. Hakkinen 79
10. Barrichello 55
11. Coulthard 23
12. Kubica 13
13. R. Schumacher 8
14. Trulli 4
15= Webber 3
15= Sato 3
17. Verstappen 2
18. Villeneuve 1

If Alonso has more votes then Hamilton how come Hamilton is ahead on the list and if Kimi has more votes then Massa Button and so on how come they are ahead. Or am i just not understanding how this works.

anyway i think this list is shameful and a disgrace.

#146 P123

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 17:34

If Alonso has more votes then Hamilton how come Hamilton is ahead on the list and if Kimi has more votes then Massa Button and so on how come they are ahead. Or am i just not understanding how this works.

anyway i think this list is shameful and a disgrace.

The original Top 10 was written by Dodgins. The definitive Autosport Top 10 has been compiled from canvassing all the staff writers of the website and magazine. They are two seperate top 10s.

Dodgins top 10 is :drunk:

whilst the other one is :up:

Edited by P123, 01 January 2010 - 17:36.

#147 whoisjohngalt

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 18:30

The MOTOGP list is just ludicrous..then I saw F1.....Vettel at 4? Button...5? Raikkonen at 8? No Montoya? I'm getting nauseous.

(At least Autosport's consistent...)

#148 Mr j

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 21:02

This list is a total disgrace. I have always turned to AUTOSPORT.COM for news but this is a total disgrace. Shame on you. Button in 5th place, Kimi im 8th... I will have a hard time taking anything you you write seriously from now on. Shame on you. I know you are a english website but come on. You have now lost a reader.

#149 Hairpin

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4,468 posts
Joined: September 09

Posted 01 January 2010 - 21:30

This list is a total disgrace. I have always turned to AUTOSPORT.COM for news but this is a total disgrace. Shame on you. Button in 5th place, Kimi im 8th... I will have a hard time taking anything you you write seriously from now on. Shame on you. I know you are a english website but come on. You have now lost a reader.

I would not go so far to say I stop reading Autosport because of it, but one thing is certain - when I read an article by Tony Dodgins I will remember that list.

#150 fullthrottle

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489 posts
Joined: November 09

Posted 01 January 2010 - 22:38

This list is a total disgrace. I have always turned to AUTOSPORT.COM for news but this is a total disgrace. Shame on you. Button in 5th place, Kimi im 8th... I will have a hard time taking anything you you write seriously from now on. Shame on you. I know you are a english website but come on. You have now lost a reader.

Couldn't agree more :up: