Trans Am racing and 2.5 Challenge memories
#101
Posted 28 March 2010 - 22:40
i think originally the gawdawful yellow was for the terlingua team logo - not the car
i believe the cars were correct in a very pale yellow and am trying to confirm the actual color
thanks again - any more info or pics greatly appreciated
ron
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#102
Posted 28 March 2010 - 22:52
hi all and thanks for the comments so far
i think originally the gawdawful yellow was for the terlingua team logo - not the car
i believe the cars were correct in a very pale yellow and am trying to confirm the actual color
thanks again - any more info or pics greatly appreciated
ron
"The correct answer is A. According to Carroll Shelby, the color was originally from a Corvette. It was chosen so that Shelby could beat Chevy with their own color."
So, he's fallible after all ...
#103
Posted 29 March 2010 - 18:02
thanks, Ron
#104
Posted 29 March 2010 - 20:45
this image was found at the www.ponysite.de/transam_news1.htm site. they have a nice collection of photos.
Edited by carpenterdesign, 29 March 2010 - 20:47.
#105
Posted 30 March 2010 - 05:39
"Godawful Yellow" is a 66-67 Corvette color "Sun Fire Yellow" - paint code should be CETA S4U/WA9929 which can be bought in scale model paint sizes from Model Car World as their code MCW 6600 - info came from an interview with Bill Neale in the Shelby Auto Club newsletter of July 2005
Robert Barg
#106
Posted 30 March 2010 - 11:45
#107
Posted 30 March 2010 - 18:30
Picture on (my) Ponysite courtesy Walt Hane, then SCCA inspector - just to add it for proper credit.Looks like Corvette Yellow to me.
this image was found at the www.ponysite.de/transam_news1.htm site. they have a nice collection of photos.
Another story about the yellow from www.boss302.com
"Back in 68 when the Shelby T/A team went from white to yellow on the team cars, they told the painter at KK to paint them yellow, he went to the paint store and got a deal on paint that was already mixed....go ahead, guess...give up? 1968 Corvette yellow"
#108
Posted 30 March 2010 - 22:15
Allan Moffat is/ was Canadian though was racing in Australia before 1970 but also racing regularly still in Nth America.I am going to have to agree with Vince; I would love to see more!
Here are a couple interesting images i found at the newly revamped http://www.barcboys.com site. They have a great collection of photos. These two were found in the Marlboro section.
Marlboro Trans-Am Race: Aussie Allan Moffat hands over to Milt Minter
67 Trans-Am and Bruce Jennings shows his local knowledge edging Horst Kwech's Alfa
He has just been 'promoted' as an ambassador for Ford here in Oz
#109
Posted 01 April 2010 - 14:50
Here's a link to the race program and list of entrants : 1974 Lime Rock Trans Am Race Program
#110
Posted 06 April 2010 - 02:48
Vince H.
#111
Posted 07 April 2010 - 12:24
I purchsed this car from NW racer Mark Johnson in the early nineties - was
in very rough shape and rusty - went down to see Joe Chamberlain and he
authenticated the car as his 2nd Camaro. Decided I couldn't afford to restore it and sold it
to a Dr. in Palm Springs who had it restored. - The Camaro was later sold at the Monterey
auction - it's currently running with the CA historic T/A group.
#112
Posted 07 April 2010 - 15:33
Here are some photographs I found on http://meadowdalerac....homestead.com/ This site is great and links to other ghost tracks. Sad but very cool. The majority of these photos were taken by Mike Odell, Elgin, IL. His website is http://www.sportsracingltd.com
From what Mike says, his racing photos range from 1968-1985 and "include front-runners as well as back-markers. If you are seeking a specific racer, complete the email form describing the car / # / color / year / track. I will let you know if I have any images." He didnt attend any of the races that my car was at, thus didnt have any images of my car...but he did have an image of my friends F5000 car which made me smile and made recreating the paint scheme so much easier. So if you are looking for that all illusive image, I would definitely check his site out.
Pos. Driver Car Laps/SecBehind Class Pts Prize $
1 Mark Donohue......................................... Camaro O-1 9 1500
2 Peter Revson............................................. Javelin 131 O-2 6 1000
3 Sam Posey................................................ Camaro 2L88 O-3 750
4 Craig Fisher............................................... Firebird 4L75 O-4 3 600
5 Tony Adamowicz..................................... Porsche 911 5L123 U-1 9 1000
6 Fred Baker ................................................ Porsche 911 6L32 U-2 650
7 Pete Harrison............................................ Porsche 911 7L35 U-3 450
8 Horst Kwech............................................ Mustang 7L52 O-5 2 500
9 Dick Hoffman........................................... Camaro 7L68 O-6 400
10 Ed Wachs / John Martino......................... Alfa Romeo GTA 7L79 U-4 3 350
11 Jerry Titus................................................ Mustang 7L124 O-7 300
12 Wilbur Pickett........................................... Porsche 911 8L69 U-5 300
13 Jim Corwin............................................... Camaro 9L73 O-8 200
14 Bert Everett .............................................. Porsche 911 10L56 U-6 250
15 Herb Swan................................................ BMW 2002 TI 13L134 U-7 200
16 Peter Braun / Dick Drexler........................ NSU 1000 TTS 18L179 U-8 150
DID NOT FINISH
17 Wilton Jowett........................................... Camaro 53 crash O-9 150
18 Ralph Webb.............................................. Camaro 29 engine O-10 100
19 Bob Bailey / Jim Locke............................. Porsche 911 15 crash U-9 100
20 Bill Brack.................................................. BMC Cooper S 11 ignition U-10 50
21 Malcolm Starr / Don Sesslar..................... Mustang 5 transmission
O-11 50 RESULTS of Trans-American Championship race at Meadowdale International Raceway, Carpentersville, Ill., July 7, 1968. Race sanctioned by the Sports Car Club of America, organized by Chicago Region SCCA., promoted by Meadowdale International Raceway, Inc., listed by the FIA as an National/Open.
Race on 3.2 mile course for FIA Group I and II cars in over and under 2- liter classes. Race length: 75 laps, 240 miles; 2 hours, 45.25 seconds.
Winners average speed 87.053 mph. Winners margin of victory 2:11.0.
Fastest lap: Jerry Titus, 89.026 mph.
Photo by Keith Dale
Folder courtesy of Scott Brener, Apple River, IL
Photo by Mike Odell, Elgin, IL.
Javelin Racing Team, Inc. was established for 1968 with Jim Jeffords as president and Ron Kaplan as VP and Technical Wizard. Drivers were George Follmer in #4 and Peter Revson in #3.
Edited by carpenterdesign, 10 April 2010 - 12:44.
#113
Posted 09 April 2010 - 13:50
Amazing Pictures...Keep them coming.
#114
Posted 09 April 2010 - 21:52
Edited by RA Historian, 09 April 2010 - 21:53.
#115
Posted 10 April 2010 - 14:40
For some reason, it won't let me quote, but this is in reply to carpenterdesign's above message.
Edited by felixdk, 10 April 2010 - 14:44.
#116
Posted 21 April 2010 - 16:22
According to what I have found, 1966 rules required that the car retain their stock steel hood (without a scoop), the original glass windows, and full interior upholstery including dash padding and door panels. But, I have read that the rules loosened quite a bit over the next few years.
Does anyone have a copy of the rules per 1966, 1967, 1968-1972?
Your help would be much appreciated.
#117
Posted 21 April 2010 - 16:44
I believe the Group 2 rules were published in Sportscar Graphic in early 66. I will take a look. The GTA had plexiglass side and rear windows and a special lightweight front windscreen.
Edited by bobLee, 21 April 2010 - 16:45.
#118
Posted 21 April 2010 - 17:45
Jesper
#119
Posted 22 April 2010 - 06:49
Trans-Am rules through 1972 were based off of SCCA A Sedan rules which were created in the pre-T-A days when compact sedan racing became popular and a experimental class was created to see if it would fly.Trans-Am was running to FIA group 1 and 2 rules during 1966-1969 (there might have been the odd exception though, but don't know). For 1970 rules were tailored for Trans-Am. Don't know were any of this leaves plexi glass windows, but the above might be of help to tell the whens, wheres and whys.
Jesper
They were always some-what based on FIA rules but were unique to the SCCA.
When a factory '69 Mustang was used in the Brit. series it had to un-modified to fit the Brit rules. (If I remember correctly the roll-cage that tied the car together had to be mostly removed.)
They were always quite strict , even when the highly mod. type cars ran in the late seventies, if you were not within the boundaries, as they saw them, you did not run.
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#120
Posted 28 May 2010 - 12:15
Cheers,
Robert Barg
RESULTS of the Players Trans-Am race for the SCCA Trans-American Championship held at Edmonton International Speedway,
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, June 20, 1971.
Event sanctioned by the Canadian Automobile Sport Clubs and the Sports Car Club of America, promoted by Edmonton International
Speedway and conducted by the Northern Alberta Sports Car Club and listed by the FIA as an international.
Race on 2.527 mile circuit for SCCA Sedan over 2.5 liter cars for overall position.
Race length: 75 laps (188.525 miles), 2 hours, 6 minutes, 23.9 seconds.
Winners average speed 89.982 mph. Winner’s margin of victory: 19.5 seconds.
Fastest race lap: George Follmer, 1:38.1. 1971 TRANS-AM – Race 4 of 10 – EDMONTON
Pos. Driver Car Laps Pts Prize $
1 Mark Donohue............................................. Sunoco Javelin 75 9 $4,000
2 George Follmer .............................................Bud Moore Mustang 75 6 3,000
3 Joe Chamberlain............................................ Camaro 69 4 2,500
4 Frank Search................................................. Camaro 69 2,200
5 Alfred Ruys de Perez................................... Camaro 68 1,900
6 Bob Bienreth................................................. Camaro 68 1,600
7 Jack Westlund............................................... Camaro 68 1,400
8 Jean de la Bruyere......................................... Camaro 66 1,200
9 John Hall....................................................... Mustang 66 1,000
10 Dick Hoffman............................................... Camaro 63 800
DID NOT FINISH
11 Maurice Carter.............................................. Carter Camaro 59 blown engine 700
12 Peter Gregg................................................... Bud Moore Mustang 38 broken crank shaft 600
13 John Gimble.................................................. Mustang 10 accident 500
14 Ken Jones..................................................... Camaro 1 400
#121
Posted 20 August 2010 - 13:17
Yesterday, while scanning a few of images I had the chance to talk to Ade Ketchum, award winning and internationally published professional photographer, best known for our purposes as Watkins Glen Track photographer from 1970-2006 and owner of MOTORACE GRAPHIKS. He is an avid collector of anything to do with Watkins Glen and has a collection of race photos that would make all of us drool. I say this to let you know that if you are looking for an image of your car, he is probably one of this countries best resources. If he doesnt have it, I am sure he can point you in the direction of someone who does. His email address is adekfoto@stny.rr.com (let him know that you found him Via this site).
Also since the last post, I had the privilege of speaking to former Trans-Am 2.5 racer and builder / driver of my Volvo 122 Stephen Sharkey. I was finally able to get a lot of questions answered and the history of my car was revised.
That said, I am now looking for the following information: Original copies of the Trans-Am Entry List / Race Results / Records, regional BS Entry List / Race Results, information / pictures of SCCA East Coast Drivers Stephen Sharkey, Harold Cunningham, and Don Marino .
I look forward to seeing new posts and hearing more about your TA memories.
OFFICIAL ENTRY LIST
THE GLEN CHALLENGE
For the Two-Five Challenge Championship Watkins Glen, N. Y. - Saturday, June 17, 1972
Car Car and Driver Type Color
3 HORST KWEC H G u rnee, Ill. . _
Entrant: Wetson's Racing, Hewlet!, N. Y. ....................Pepsi Alfa Romeo..........Blue
4 HARRY THEODORACOPULOS New York, N. Y. . . __
Entrant: Wetson's Racing, Hewlet!, N. Y. ....................Pepsi Alfa Romeo..........Blue
5 ROBERT LAZEBNIK Jackson, Mich. . _
Entrant: Commercial Exchange, Inc., Jackson, Mich. ....BMW 1600..................Orange-Black
10 STEPHEN SHARKEY Penn Yan, N. Y. _
Entrant: Same .........................................................Volvo 122S.................Red
13 JAMES L0MBARD Columbus, 0hi0 _
Entrant: Afunzalo Racing, Columbus, Ohio...................Volkswagen..................Tan
17 PETER SCHWARTZOTT Niagara Falls, N. Y. _
Entrant: Dimension Racing, John E. Hoyt, Buffalo, N. Y....Datsun 510................White
20 JACQUES FORTIN, M.D. Montreal, Quebec, Canada _
Entrant: MOJAK Racing, Montreal, Quebec, Canada ........BMW............... Yellow-Black
24 J0HN BUFFUM Sherburne, VI. _
Entrant: LIBRA International Racing, South Burlington, Vt. ..Ford Escort....Blue
25 BERT EVERETT, Conshohocken, Pa. . _
Entrant: BOBCOR Performance, Amherst, N. Y. .................Alfa Romeo.......Yellow-Green
27 MIKE NOBLE Rochester, N. Y. _
Entrant: Barbara Noble, Rochester, N. Y. ....................BMW 2002............Blue-White
JOHN McCOLLlSTER Toledo, Ohio
Entrant: Treuhalt Automotive Specialties, Toledo, Ohio 3.... VW Super Beetle......Yellow
32 GEORGE ALDERMAN Newark, Del. _
Entrant: George Alderman Racing, Newark, Del. ................Datsun 510............ White-Blue
35 MIKE DOWNS El Segundo, Calif. _
Entrant: Brock Racing Enterprises, El Segundo, Calif.
Simoniz-BRE ....................................................................Datsun 510............ Red-White-Blue
36 BILL BALDWIN Gladson, N. J. _
Entrant: Auto Sport Racing, Bondbrook, N. J. ......................Fiat 124................... Blue
44 DONALD L. EMERY Rochester, N. Y. . _
Entrant: Same ____.............................................................BMW............
........ Red
46 JOHN MORTON Torrance, Calif. _
Entrant: Brock Racing Enterprises, El Segundo, Calif.
Simoniz-BRE ....................................................................Datsun 510............ Red-White-Blue
FRAN LARKIN Binghamton, N. Y. . __
Entrant: Tech Garage Racing, Binghamton, N. Y. 51 ................BMW....................Yellow-Black
52 "BING" SHERER Cheektowaga, N. Y. _
Entrant: BOBCOR Performance, Amherst, N. Y. .......................Alfa Romeo ............ Yellow-Red
54 A. CHRISTOPHER GROSS Ijamsville, Md.
Entrant: David Domizi, Weston, Conn. ..................................Ford Cortina.............. Green
65 ROBERT HUFF Hubbard, Ohio _
Entrant: Tim Meehan, Ashtabula, Ohio ...................................Opel-Rallye............. Yellow-Black
68 Simoniz-BRE ..................................................................Datsun 510............. Blue-White
Entrant: Brock Racing Enterprises, El Segundo, Calif.
71 LOTHAR STAHLBERG Utica, N. Y. .....................................Datsun 510................. Black-White
Entrant: Stahlberg Racing, Ltd., Utica, N. Y.
72 DON EICHSTADT Berkley, Mich. .......................................Pinto........................... Red
Entrant: Performance Engineering, Berkley, Mich.
74 OLlVER JONES Farmington, Conn. ....................................Capri ......................... Red-Black
Entrant: Race and Rallie, Farmingham, Conn.
84 WARREN KLINGMAN Dearborn, Mich. ...............................Toyota Corolla.............. White-Burgundy
Entrant: Gregory Kopp, Dearborn, Mich.
85 TONY ROLFE Glen Alien, Va. ............................................BMW ..........................Yellow-Blue-Orange
Entrant: Robert Rolfe, Glen Alien, Va.
91 DR. ARTHUR MOLLlN Port Washington, N. Y. .......................Volvo 142.................... Red
Entrant: Arthur Mollin Racing, Port Washington, N. Y.
93 JERRY WALSH Suffern, N. Y. .............................................Pinto............................ Lavender-Chartreuse
Entrant: Racer Walsh Pinto Parts, Suffern, N. Y.
99 GEORGE SHAFER Somerset, Pa. ........................................Datsun 510.................. 0range- White
Entrant: SHABRO Racing Enterprises, Somerset, Pa.
#122
Posted 20 August 2010 - 15:39
#123
Posted 20 August 2010 - 23:34
Please forgive me if this has already been covered - did any Escort Twin Cams or RS1600s ever compete in Trans Am and if not, why not?
John Buffum used both in Trans Am the TC in 1971 and the RS1600 '72 &'73 more details on this racingsportscar.com page.
#124
Posted 21 August 2010 - 00:15
I am now looking for the following information: Original copies of the Trans-Am Entry List / Race Results / Records, regional BS Entry List / Race Results, information / pictures of SCCA East Coast Drivers Stephen Sharkey, Harold Cunningham, and Don Marino
Some results for the first two at these links:
http://www.racingspo...n-Sharkey-.html
http://www.racingspo...ingham-USA.html
Vince H.
#125
Posted 21 August 2010 - 01:34
John Buffum used both in Trans Am the TC in 1971 and the RS1600 '72 &'73 more details on this racingsportscar.com page.
Memory tells me that Ford Escorts were not sold in either Canada or the US. The few that showed up in the under 2 or 2.5 races were likely imported from the UK.
The following drivers were listed as Escort drivers in a few T/A races - John Buffum, Rob Tanner, Tom Lynch, Ron Shantz, and Ray Gage.
Escorts raced at Bryar, Lime Rock, Le Circuit, Watkins Glen, and Mid Ohio.
They were out-paced by Alfa, BMW, and Datsun. Best showing was Buffum with a 3rd at Bryar. Perhaps with some factory support and strength in numbers they would have been front runners.
Roibert Barg
#126
Posted 21 August 2010 - 08:07
Thank you, "oldtransamdriver" and "arttidesco"
#127
Posted 06 September 2010 - 23:13
-Jon
#128
Posted 09 October 2010 - 00:22
#129
Posted 09 October 2010 - 13:03
#130
Posted 09 October 2010 - 13:51
Tom
#131
Posted 10 October 2010 - 17:39
Robert Barg
#132
Posted 10 October 2010 - 22:17
"The two works Mustangs of Follmer and Jones headed he grid, Follmer turning the pole lap at 2:31.0. Leslie and Savage were on row two, followed by Hall and Revson. At the first turn, Jones, Follmer, and Leslie came together, disputing the turf, with the resulting damage eliminating Follmer and Leslie. Jones kept going in the lead, while Savage pitted to repair some minor damage. Posey and Donohue followed Jones." And so forth.
Donohue won the race, using a typical Penske strategic move, pitting out of sequence in order to have an open track with the ability to lap faster. Savage finished second, followed by Posey, Jim Hall, Jones, and Milt Minter.
Tom
Edited by RA Historian, 10 October 2010 - 22:18.
#133
Posted 24 October 2010 - 17:09
#134
Posted 05 November 2010 - 15:20
Mark Donahue's winning Camaro
AMC Javelin
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Edited by bill p, 05 November 2010 - 16:26.
#136
Posted 05 November 2010 - 21:32
The fact it is a sixty-eight Camaro would indicate '68.No vinyl roof covering should indicate 1968!
Jesper
#137
Posted 20 December 2010 - 18:31
Marlboro 1966
#138
Posted 21 December 2010 - 00:06
Robert Barg
Edited by oldtransamdriver, 21 December 2010 - 00:23.
#139
Posted 21 December 2010 - 00:08
VIR Virginia International Raceway 1966 Trans-Am Race
Marlboro Trans-Am 1967. Chuck Cunningham Volvo 122
Edited by carpenterdesign, 21 December 2010 - 02:08.
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#140
Posted 21 December 2010 - 02:03
Perhaps that series of images was mixed up and mislabeled? The R. Petty #14 Barracuda seen in the second picture I believe is from the Marlboro 1966 TA race.So who is driving the 2 yellow Falcons #1 and #2? I take it these photos are taken at Marlboro in 66? Those Falcons don't appear in the official results according to ultimateracinghistory.com.
Robert Barg
#141
Posted 21 December 2010 - 06:54
So who is driving the 2 yellow Falcons #1 and #2? I take it these photos are taken at Marlboro in 66? Those Falcons don't appear in the official results according to ultimateracinghistory.com.
Robert Barg
Maybe this race from 1963?
http://homepage.mac....20Marlboro.html
Vince H.
#142
Posted 22 December 2010 - 20:37
Any ideas?
#143
Posted 22 December 2010 - 21:34
-Jon
#144
Posted 22 December 2010 - 23:43
#145
Posted 23 December 2010 - 14:04
Looks like Lime Rock. The Trans-Am race was May 30th. Are there any other photos you have from that race? If there are any pony cars in the with these smaller cars, it should be the Trans-Am race. Also, are you able to obtain photos from the '67 Marlboro race which shows the pony cars? They ran the under 2-liter cars on Saturday and the bigger cars on Sunday. I had a car in the over-2-liter race on Sunday.
-Jon
Hi Jon, Sorry, these were the only photographs that had anything to do with the Trans-Am series.
#146
Posted 24 December 2010 - 18:32
#2 Marvin Davidson and Jim Haynes, Alfa GTA
#34 John Kelly and Bob Bailey, Porsche 911
#37 Peter Sachs and Lyle Davis, Lotus Cortina
#41 Alan Moffatt, Lotus Cortina
#55 Bill Bowman and John Pauly, Porsche 911
#90 Gaston Andrey and Bill Taylor, Alfa GTA
#95 John Igleheart and Roger Barr, Alfa GTA
Hi Jon, Sorry, these were the only photographs that had anything to do with the Trans-Am series.
#147
Posted 31 December 2010 - 19:42
Clint Cunningham has been kind enough to share their family photo album with me. His father Chuck raced many different kinds of cars throughout the years and even participated in the Trans-Am Series during it's infancy. These are a few of my favorites.
Hi Carpenterdesign, Some new Trans Am Photos thanks for posting. Would you mind posting any Alfa Romeo related pictures over in the Trans Am Thread on the Alfa BB
http://www.alfabb.co...s-trans-am.html
where I know you have been active or shall I. Are there other Alfa pics in the Cunningham Album that you did not post here.
BTW my info would agree that the Lime Rock pics were from the 1967 TA there.
Ciao
Ken
#148
Posted 02 January 2011 - 17:26
Hi Carpenterdesign, Some new Trans Am Photos thanks for posting. Would you mind posting any Alfa Romeo related pictures over in the Trans Am Thread on the Alfa BB
http://www.alfabb.co...s-trans-am.html
where I know you have been active or shall I. Are there other Alfa pics in the Cunningham Album that you did not post here.
BTW my info would agree that the Lime Rock pics were from the 1967 TA there.
Ciao
Ken
Hi Ken, Just posted the Alfa related images to the alfabb.com blog. Hope you all enjoy! I thumbed through the album again and sadly these were the only images that had anything related to the TA series.
Thanks
Clay
P.S. In the future, please feel free to re-post or circulate any of my images. I only ask that the re-poster site the source of the image and that they are used for research or enjoyment and not for profit.
#149
Posted 05 January 2011 - 22:02
#150
Posted 05 January 2011 - 23:14
For all of you in search of the SCCA PRO RACING results including TRANS-AM 1966-2005 check out http://www.scca.com/...spx?content=111
Hi all, I checked out that SCCA site and make 2 notes. The result posted for Marlboro 1966 is not correct in that the second page is actually the results second page for Green Valley. The correct result for Marlboro was published in SCCA Sports Car magazine. Also they do not post the result for the 1971 Laguna Seca race. I have sent SCCA an E-mail re these to items.
I have copies of both of these correct results as well the 1966 result for Green Valley in the 8.5 x 17 format , same as other 1966 results.
BTW Clay, thanks for posting that info on the other BB.
FWIW
Ken
Edited by kengta, 05 January 2011 - 23:15.