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Looks the same in front of the cockpit but from there backwards big differences. First look at the new fin as well.
Peugeot 90X breaks cover
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wewantourdarbyback
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 13:49
I'd like to see the fin painted up properly before passing judgement on whether i like it or not. Love that air intake on the roof.
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 14:02
I'd like to see the fin painted up properly before passing judgement on whether i like it or not. Love that air intake on the roof.
I believe it is painted proper .... on account I never noticed it till I read your post and tried to make sense of it, and now it jumps off the car for me (like the FedEx logo once you notice the arrow head)
if they paint it it will most likely look like a giant billboard
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 14:24
I believe it is painted proper .... on account I never noticed it till I read your post and tried to make sense of it, and now it jumps off the car for me (like the FedEx logo once you notice the arrow head)
if they paint it it will most likely look like a giant billboard
lol, it was the first thing i noticed
I'd like to see it integrated properly with the silver and blue of the main livery. You might be right though, that could make it stick out like a sore thumb. Either way i guess we better get used to it, and if it prevents cars getting airborne then who cars what it looks like.
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 14:59
That fin is going to destroy the look of all the cars.
Certainly wrecks this car.
Certainly wrecks this car.
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 15:15
The fin seems to be the only change. From reading the article on Autosport's main page, I got the impression that it's just a 908 with a rear fin, and Peugeot are testing it to get data to be incorporated into the final design of the car.Looks the same in front of the cockpit but from there backwards big differences. First look at the new fin as well.
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 15:20
jeez terrible fin. they 've ruined such beauty 
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 16:04
it says "Speed" all over it! 
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 16:08
That fin is going to destroy the look of all the cars.
Certainly wrecks this car.
All those new 2011 prototypes will be UGLY. I'll stop following endurance racing just because of this crap.
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 16:09
The fin is ugly. Does anyone understand how it works, I certainly don't, although I have read somewhere that it stabilizes the car when in yaw. I'm no aerodynamicist, but it looks more likely to flip than it did before.
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 16:11
if they could shape the fin, that would help *alot*
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 16:27
I'm pretty sure that they used 908 bodywork for the front end at the moment, the first impression it gave me was of a 908 tub with 2011 engine and aerodynamics. It won't look exactly like this when it hits the track at Sebring. Behind the driver compartment there's a lot of differences, to be honest, compared to the 908, although you have to look closely: the sidepod is shaped differently, the roof-mounted intake is obvious, new rear wing package, rear fender is a very different shape to the 908 (also the brake lights are relocated higher up on the bodywork and off the legality panels).
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 17:59
All those new 2011 prototypes will be UGLY. I'll stop following endurance racing just because of this crap.
You would stop following a sport because of a fin attached to the cars to stop them getting airbourne?
Pathetic.
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 18:51
that fin could've been designed by me - within a minute.;)
Makes the car soooo ugyl :/
/edit: do all LMP1 and 2 have to carry that fin? even the open ones like Audi?
Makes the car soooo ugyl :/
/edit: do all LMP1 and 2 have to carry that fin? even the open ones like Audi?
Edited by r4mses, 30 October 2010 - 18:52.
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 19:00
P90x ?
LOL... i didn't even realise... that's hilarious.
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 19:08
that fin could've been designed by me - within a minute.;)
Makes the car soooo ugyl :/
/edit: do all LMP1 and 2 have to carry that fin? even the open ones like Audi?
All new-for-2011 cars have to carry it, but the rules are somewhat more tricky when it comes to cars that are "grandfathered" in, and it's not exactly clear which of those cars have to carry a fin and which of them don't have to.
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 20:29
Do we know as of yet what kind of engine Peugeot will be using next year?
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Posted 30 October 2010 - 20:31
Really dont like the fin. They're bad enough in f1 but look even worse on these cars.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 00:04
Spent a while with a mate comparing (I'm cool) the F1 nose at the front is different to the 2010 one. Add that to the higher rear wing with Audi style over the top mounting, plus roof scoop, different rear brake intakes, re-sculpted side pods new wheel arches front and back, more raked windscreen, fin etc and it is pretty much all new.
Just takes some looking to see that.
Just takes some looking to see that.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 00:06
All those new 2011 prototypes will be UGLY. I'll stop following endurance racing just because of this crap.
that fin could've been designed by me - within a minute.;)
Makes the car soooo ugyl :/
/edit: do all LMP1 and 2 have to carry that fin? even the open ones like Audi?
Yes they all do, it is the best solution at present to stop accidents like Stephane Ortelli's in '09. In future another solution may be found but you'll have to live with it for now. TBH it doesn't ruin the car really does it?
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 00:15
Yes they all do, it is the best solution at present to stop accidents like Stephane Ortelli's in '09. In future another solution may be found but you'll have to live with it for now. TBH it doesn't ruin the car really does it?
It destroys the side profile.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 00:47
Are they allowed to have F-Ducts in endurance racing? That could make the fin useful on the long straights of La Sathe.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 01:04
Comparison (908 vs. "90X"
http://www.86400.fr/...n-coin-du-voile
http://www.86400.fr/...n-coin-du-voileThere's very little room with these cardboards (fins) and I think they deliberately wanted to forbid F-ducts.Are they allowed to have F-Ducts in endurance racing? That could make the fin useful on the long straights of La Sathe.
Edited by Meanstreak, 31 October 2010 - 02:02.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:31
You would stop following a sport because of a fin attached to the cars to stop them getting airbourne?
Pathetic.
For me, sportscar racing is all about the cars, they are the stars of the show, if the stars are ugly sorry but I quit, no matter the reason of the change, security or not. It just kills it.
But imo current F1 are 10 times uglier than 2011 prototypes, but in F1, drivers are the stars so ...
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 09:39
Surely that fin can't be the final product, it looks so crude. Not just because it's got no paint/livery on it either.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 10:49
Are they allowed to have F-Ducts in endurance racing? That could make the fin useful on the long straights of La Sathe.
I believe the reward would be much less than in F1 where the majority of downforce and therefore drag is created by the wings. I believe sports cars develop the majority of their downforce from the under body and diffuser so there is less drag to be shed from the single rear wing.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 12:16
The fin width is regulated to 2 cm maximum and F-duct-type devices are banned. As for the engine type, nobody outside of Peugeot themselves knows for sure.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 14:27
I believe the reward would be much less than in F1 where the majority of downforce and therefore drag is created by the wings. I believe sports cars develop the majority of their downforce from the under body and diffuser so there is less drag to be shed from the single rear wing.
You sure that LeMans cars run with diffusers. WOuldn't be optimal if you have Venturi tunnels under the car.
IIRC, most of the rear downforce on an F1 car is generated by the diffuser.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 14:33
You sure that LeMans cars run with diffusers. WOuldn't be optimal if you have Venturi tunnels under the car.
IIRC, most of the rear downforce on an F1 car is generated by the diffuser.
LMP cars are flat-bottomed all the way up to the rear axle as far as I know (with the center-mounted plank and two smaller skidblocks on the underside of the nose), the diffuser can start around the rear axle centerline but the height is rather restricted. However, judging by the pace of the fastest LMP cars, they do produce a significant amount of downforce as well, perhaps in a similar proportion to a F1 car's rear end characteristics.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 17:46
LMP cars are flat-bottomed all the way up to the rear axle as far as I know (with the center-mounted plank and two smaller skidblocks on the underside of the nose), the diffuser can start around the rear axle centerline but the height is rather restricted. However, judging by the pace of the fastest LMP cars, they do produce a significant amount of downforce as well, perhaps in a similar proportion to a F1 car's rear end characteristics.
I thought they brought back limited ground effects into LMP1 rules due to the threat of flat bottom cars flipping ?
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 17:56
The fin looks alright. I'd much rather have that than the cars taking off at 150mph.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 18:00
I thought they brought back limited ground effects into LMP1 rules due to the threat of flat bottom cars flipping ?
Not sure, perhaps they allowed a larger diffuser length, but in any event, between the end of the front splitter and the start of the rear diffuser (which is roughly between the axle centrelines), the underbody is flat (well... not exactly, it does feature a skidblock as well).
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 19:08
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/87824
"Peugeot pleased with 90X's debut"
Guessing the turbo's didn't blow up then
"Peugeot pleased with 90X's debut"
Guessing the turbo's didn't blow up then
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 20:20
Btw, conrods. In all three cars.Guessing the turbo's didn't blow up then
Edited by Meanstreak, 31 October 2010 - 20:21.
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Posted 31 October 2010 - 20:24
If only the fin would be more sophisticated than just being a board from the nearest hardware store.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 05:04
http://www.americanl...?cat=news|15069
http://www.ultimatec...tin-LMP1_1.html
Two other attempts at the fin... still
http://www.ultimatec...tin-LMP1_1.html
Two other attempts at the fin... still
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 05:39
Not sure, perhaps they allowed a larger diffuser length, but in any event, between the end of the front splitter and the start of the rear diffuser (which is roughly between the axle centrelines), the underbody is flat (well... not exactly, it does feature a skidblock as well).
le man car floors are far from flat these days, strictly controlled ground effect tunnels were brought back in a couple of years ago, they start about halfway down the car. on top of that the sides of the floor angle up as well.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 05:39
Exactly how the fin gonna stop the car from being airborne?
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 06:01
Exactly how the fin gonna stop the car from being airborne?
i believe its designed to keep the car straight in yaw, so they will be harder to spin at high speed which is when these incidents happen. and if they do spin it should be at a lower speed and below the threshold when they create enough lift to take off
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 08:41
Yes they all do, it is the best solution at present to stop accidents like Stephane Ortelli's in '09. In future another solution may be found but you'll have to live with it for now. TBH it doesn't ruin the car really does it?
You mean Monza 2008. Not 09.
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Posted 01 November 2010 - 09:12
le man car floors are far from flat these days, strictly controlled ground effect tunnels were brought back in a couple of years ago, they start about halfway down the car. on top of that the sides of the floor angle up as well.
I thought as much. Thanks.
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