Should Red Bull Implement Team Orders in the Brazilian Grand Prix?

Although both Red Bull men are still mathematically in the hunt for the championship, Webber's 14 point lead over Vettel, and Vettel's 25-point deficit to Alonso, makes Vettel very unlikely to win the Championship. Should Red Bull (discreetly) ask Vettel to move aside if they are in consecutive positions tomorrow?

Edited by JosTheBoss, 06 November 2010 - 17:25.

Which is the better championship position for Red Bull?

at least we get to see them race each other properly now. I spose thats as good an argument as your ever gonna get for banning team orders.

I don't think they will, a combination of them insisting on not using team orders and Vettel being their favoured driver won't cause such a situation.

Webber is going to have to go it alone and try and overtake Vettel and actually race him and win if possible, if he wants to have a good shot at this WDC. Oh, god forbid that Webber would have to do such a thing!

Edited by DILLIGAF, 06 November 2010 - 17:51.

I don't think they will, a combination of them insisting on not using team orders and Vettel being their favoured driver won't cause such a situation.

Webber is going to have to go it alone and try and overtake Vettel and actually race him and win if possible, if he wants to have a good shot at this WDC. Oh, god forbid that Webber would have to do such a thing!

Yeah it's funny when Ferrari do it it's all anger and cries of ''cheat'' but when it needs to be done for Webber it's ''well they have to or Alonso gets the title''

Surely all the Webber fanboys should be able to beleive that Webber can take Vettel on the racetrack and maybe for once this season actually overtake someone, but I don't rate Webbers overtaking skills any more than I rate Vettels skills at anything other than driving the car fast (so that includes defensive driving), so it's a disaster all around.

Yeah it's funny when Ferrari do it it's all anger and cries of ''cheat'' but when it needs to be done for Webber it's ''well they have to or Alonso gets the title''

Surely all the Webber fanboys should be able to beleive that Webber can take Vettel on the racetrack and maybe for once this season actually overtake someone, but I don't rate Webbers overtaking skills any more than I rate Vettels skills at anything other than driving the car fast (so that includes defensive driving), so it's a disaster all around.

There's a distinct difference in doing it now versus doing it mid-season and basically saying to Massa at the same time 'you dont matter'.

If Alonso was on pole, then maybe. Or if Vettel hasn't been on such good form lately. But when he's 5th, and the Red Bull guys are 2nd and 3rd, then its a bit much. If Alonso DNF's and Vettel wins with Webber 2nd, then Webber assumes the lead of the championship and Vettel is tied with Alonso for 2nd with a shot at the title and his teammate would be leading the standings, which would probably be a pretty good situation for Red Bull to be in if they want one of their drivers to be WDC.

Edited by goat0063, 06 November 2010 - 21:18.

If it was Lewis & Jenson in the same situation with Alonso leading Hami by 11 & Jenson by 25 would you honestly say the same thing? Now be honest.;)

Edit: I tend to agree with you by the way.

I'd actually say Red Bull as a team have a great opportunity to maximise the points gain over alonso...if they get ahead of the hulk and alonso is back in 4th or 5th then swapping webber to the lead is a 14 point swing...

It's a no brainer from a team perspective but would be totally unfair on vettel and I'm not advocating they do it.

I would rather see Hamilton take on Button than have the team do it for him. Even for someone like Alonso, doesn't it hurt his pride that he needed the team to tell Massa to move over because he couldn't overtake him on track. Now, It gets abit complicated because teams don't like their drivers racing each other so Alonso is limited in options himself

Assume the running order is Vettel, Webber, Hamilton, Alonso (Hulkenberg is set up for damp conditions and will fall quickly back tomorrow)

Without team orders, the championship positions would be:

1. Alonso 243
2. Webber 238
3. Vettel 231

With team orders, positions would be:

1. Webber 245
2. Alonso 243
3. Vettel 224

Which is the better championship position for Red Bull?

Edited by William Hunt, 06 November 2010 - 20:31.

No, it doesn't hurt Alonso's pride because there's a good chance he COULD have overtaken Massa. It just wasn't worth the risk at the time.

Should Red Bull (discreetly) ask Vettel to move aside if they are in consecutive positions tomorrow?

...when asked whether he would aid Webber's quest for the championship.
"If he wants assistance, he should try the medical car," Vettel said.

Yes, they should
Even with an Alonso DNF they want Webber to a minimum of 8 points ahead going to Abu Dhabi, which would mean 2nd would be enough for the WDC.

They should because F1 is still a teamsport. I strongly oppose to applying team orders early or in the middle part of the season (that's cheating on the fans who pay a lof of money for a ticket) but in the final races you have to do this because the title is at stake. In the long term people only remember who won the title and think about the financial difference and the marketing aspect between becoming world champion and missing out on that title.

Broadly agree, though I think teams should be free to apply team orders whenever they choose. We just don't have to like it and can make up our minds who we support on that basis.

Of course not.

It would make Mateshitz, an honest man who isn't into "manipulating results", look like a complete hypocrite.

Edited by WIC, 06 November 2010 - 23:09.

Edited by goldenboy, 07 November 2010 - 02:22.

Edited by e63, 07 November 2010 - 02:28.

I get the feeling that if Red Bull can't win the WDC with Vettel, they'd rather not win it at all.

Not unprecedented, as well all know...