Renault/Lotus deal to unlock Kubica contract - Hello Ferrari?

would love to see him at mclaren so we can see him for the average driver he is flattered by a faster than people relaise renault

Personally I doubt Ferrari would ever hire somebody to outright rattle Alonso, that's just not their management style. McLaren firing Button is an equal pipedream. Kubica's best hope IMO is next year (2012) IF a redbull slot opens up or if Schumacher packs it in in 11 or 12 and Merc slot opens up. Failing that, Renault is the best he can get.

Would Kubica want to drive for Ferrari? Sure, they're Ferrari, but if Kubica was expected to fill a certain role within the team, would we want to commit to that role? Ferrari have a tendency to back one of their drivers for the championship sooner than any other team will, which is most likely why they issued team orders in Germany. If we get that situation arising again, would Kubica like it? Would he even listen?

And while the rumour mill might link Kubica to Ferrari, would Ferrari necessairly want to replace Massa? Because if Webber decides he wants out and Kubica comes on the market, Ferrari will find themselves in a bidding war with Red Bull. If they cut Massa loose, but lose a bidding war to Red Bull for Kubica while Webber retires, what will they do then? It's not like they'll sign Webber; Webber is unhappy with the way Red Bull do things, but he won't be any better off at Ferrari.

"Free to choose another team". Well Robert, if you'd like to drive a Virgin I say go for it.

First Renault should commit to its assurances about its competitiveness.

In 2008 it was McLaren who first backed up one driver. And in 2008 Kimi helped Felipe just in penultimate race of the season, clearly it's not the soonest. But that's not the point. Point is teams are backing their best drivers. Alonso and Massa both had the same treatment in the first half of the season.



Kubica won't go to Red Bull, there are too many drivers in F1 from Red Bull programe alreaday.

Yup - he found himself "free to choose another team" at a similar stage last season with the previous buy-out.

Given these changes of control will almost only ever happen in the off season when all the decent seats are already tied up, I suspect Kubica's management are learning the lesson that a termination for change of control clause in a driver contract is pretty valueless.

Ahh , but come 5pm Sunday ,Abu Dhabi time, there will be a vacant seat at RBR.

Kubica won't go to Red Bull, there are too many drivers in F1 from Red Bull programe alreaday.

Red Bull should fire Vettel and Webber as they both did a bad job in a fantastic car. They should hire Kubica and Buemi as a second driver.

Red Bull should fire Vettel...

Edited by Buttoneer, 09 November 2010 - 15:04.
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Why? Both drivers are contracted for next year and there is no reason to expect either of them to walk away.

would love to see him at mclaren so we can see him for the average driver he is flattered by a faster than people relaise renault

The best will be that Kubica to move to Mercedes replacing Michael Schumacher. The man is to old.

Alonso and Kubica are pretty good friends aren't they? Would he be the one competitive driver that Alonso would allow as his teammate and not as a number 2?

Kubica has the Italian credentials, pretty much was brought up and learnt to race there. And he speaks Italian I think?

I think it's pretty inevitable that Kubica will end up at Ferrari one day, and probably alongside Alonso. However I think next year is too soon, he does seem to have fitted in very well at Renault and they seem to love him.

Likely I think Kubica will stay at Renault or whatever they are called for 2011. But it will be a make or break season, if they do not provide him with a competitive car then he will be off to Ferrari for 2012.

There have been a lot of reported paddock rumours that Webber will quit, especially if he wins the WDC. There have been a few slightly less than wholehearted denials from the team which have fuelled the rumours. It would be sad if that happened and the reigning WDC did not defend (first time since Mansell?).

When have the team been asked to deny this "rumour"? And can you point to any articles regarding this rumour? He did say before the new contract was signed that he would be OK to quit as WDC (or words to that effect), but I've seen no evidence that he has any intention of walking out on his contract.

There have been a few slightly less than wholehearted denials from the team which have fuelled the rumours.

What else can they do if it's not true than to deny it?
I've always found it remarkable that whenever a driver or team is denying a rumour in the press that the fans react 'they are denying it so it must be true'

"There's a good chance I'll stick around to have another crack at it." which Webber said is not quite the same thing as "Yes" but I do understand that the press also don't like one word answers.

Everyone is saying Kubica does not fit Red Bull's marketing scheme...

Young, fast, outspoken, and into Rallying. He also doesn't need to be mollycoddled. What's not to like?

That's timely:

http://www.motorspor...p...93859&FS=F1

Edited by Alburaq, 09 November 2010 - 16:32.

The best for Kubica is to say with Renault because they are the ones who will offer him a championship winning car in 2012.

Red Bull should fire Vettel and Webber as they both did a bad job in a fantastic car. They should hire Kubica and Buemi as a second driver.

Buemi? Any reason? Numbers, which are related to pace are clear:

2009 - Buemi - 0.800 ahead of Alguersuari in qualifying
2010 (first half) - Buemi - 0.400 ahead of Alguersuari in qualifying
2010 (second half) Buemi + 0.400 on Alguersuari on qualifying

Why should a slower driver, who definitely lost his dominance go to Red Bull? From
8 tenths advantage to 4 tenths gap, that really doesn t favour him that much... And it is not all over in terms of improving for Alguersuari... You should read what his race engineer Andrea Landi said about him...

There have been a lot of reported paddock rumours that Webber will quit, especially if he wins the WDC. There have been a few slightly less than wholehearted denials from the team which have fuelled the rumours. It would be sad if that happened and the reigning WDC did not defend (first time since Mansell?).

I am 100% sure we won't see Kubica in a Ferrari next year.

I think Alguersuari has improved leaps and bounds from where he was in those awful first few races but I still don't see him being in the frame for a RBR seat.
If Webber were to leave, I think they would look outside the fold for a more established driver.

Edited by TURU, 09 November 2010 - 18:58.

Kubica at Ferrari could happen one day but probably not before 2012 when some important questions are answered. Can Renault give him a car capable of challenging for wins? Is Massa's poor performance this year a one off or will he hamper their WCC chances again next year? Is Ferrari permanently returning to the Todt philosophy of running the team with a clearly defined leader?

If Renault can't live up to their promises soon it'll be interesting to see whether, and if so, which other top teams except for Ferrari go after Robert then. Mercedes has yet to show they're a top team and not the poor old Honda outfit because their current machine would suggest so. McLaren seems to have a competitive and the most peaceful line-up of all the top teams so one would assume they're locked for years. But I can well imagine Red Bull going for Kubica if Webber calls it a day and especially if Vettel still can't significantly improve his racecraft. I'd love seeing Robert competing alongside Alonso, Hamilton or Vettel in one team but the most important thing is to see him in a top car finally. I believe he'll prove many of his critics wrong when it hopefully happens.

Well, he got beaten by nick, so chances are he would be beaten by alonso and co, apart from vettel.

I thought this was a thread about Kubica and Renault/Lotus deal, not about Algersuari and the most exciting F1 team ever - Scuderia Toro Rosso. I must have been wrong ...

Besides, I think he will stay at Renault (or whatever name it will bear) next season. Simply because there are no top seats available, unless Webber calls it a day, which is highly unlikely IMO. 2012 and beyond though is a completely different story.

Edited by marcoferrari, 09 November 2010 - 19:17.