Will there be Mclaren - RBR collusion?

Suppose Lewis gets the pole and RBR are on the front, what are the chances of a secret pact. We have seen it earlier. Williams-Mclaren doing it.

Edited by Dunder, 12 November 2010 - 15:45.

Suppose Lewis gets the pole and RBR are on the front, what are the chances of a secret pact. We have seen it earlier. Williams-Mclaren doing it.

I saw more collusion between Sauber and Ferrari in that race I believe you have in mind.

A DC fan...

Please do explain. Mclaren openly left Williams to take the win.

Edited by Dunder, 12 November 2010 - 16:10.

Suppose Lewis gets the pole and RBR are on the front, what are the chances of a secret pact. We have seen it earlier. Williams-Mclaren doing it.

A DC fan...

Please do explain. Mclaren openly left Williams to take the win.

What reason would you give for such an event? I can think of no benefit to either McLaren driver for colluding with RBR.

They'd have to be on pole first. That means outpacing the F10 & the RB6 by a decent margin, when less than 7 days ago they couldnt hang at all. Don't see it happening to be honest.

Were Lewis to be leading on the last lap, followed by Mark and Nando, I'm more than a little unsure that he wouldnt give the place to Mark. he has clearly stated that he would rather Mark win the WDC if he couldn't win it himself. JB too, appears to hold a similar view. The race has all the makings of the most dramatic for many years.

If Alonso becomes WDC on Sunday, we must all hope he wins it by a margin of 8 points or more. Then it can be said he truly deserved it.

And that's in everyone's interest.

The real question is what actions on the track will bring out accusations of collusion from members of this forum? I suspect a totally innocent incident will have a number of conspiracy theorists standing up.

It is a bit of a leap from a driver expressing a preference for the WDC to giving up a win to ensure it for somebody from another team.

Change the 'u' to an 'i' and I would believe it...

Longer answer - there is a big difference between letting a rival take a race win, and letting a rival take the WDC.

As if that would help.
3 secs after he'd become WDC someone would open a thread "Is Alonso only champion because Massa was no.2 all year?"
So screw it, I say. Any margin is fine that wins the title, period.

But there's a huge difference between Alonso scoring more points because he's been faster than Massa all year and winning the world championship only because your teammate has been cynically ordered to move over.

If Lewis decided to move over for Mark ( a big if ) I would hope it wouldn't benefit Mark by more than the 7 points Alonso was gifted by Massa.
That would be fair. Extremely unlikely, but fair.

What about the points Webber lost from Vettel crashing into him in Turkey?
I would like to see Vettel move over if the situation comes to it.

Suppose Lewis gets the pole and RBR are on the front, what are the chances of a secret pact. We have seen it earlier. Williams-Mclaren doing it.

Can we mention Glock in this thread? He almost took away Hamilton's title by staying out on dry tires! Obviously Toyota and Ferrari were colluding

so now you see Alonso losing the title you want to dream up more crap.
Hows about this for the truth the driver and car were not good enough to beat RBR fairly or unfairly over the course of the season.

Huh? McLaren protected Villeneuve's back in exchange for the win. What are you talking about?

Edited by Ricardo F1, 12 November 2010 - 20:18.

My point is this. In 2008, Alonso said he would do everything he could to help Massa win the title, even though they were in different teams. If Hamilton gets pole position, then why shouldn't he repay the sporting gesture ? I would.

He shouldn't : because it would just devalue the championship.

For the record, I don't want to see any driver helping another to win the title unless he's in the same team, he has no further chance of winning the title himself, AND he moves over of his own accord.

That certainly doesn't include Ferrari ordering Massa to move over as early in the series as Germany.

Change the 'u' to an 'i' and I would believe it...

I have no doubt that Lewis would much rather see MW take the title than Alonso or, possibly Vettel but I can't see any prospect whatsoever of Lewis giving up a race win or even a place to help it happen. Nor should he.

Ignoring what went on earlier in the season, it's tragic that a single little mistake and the resulting spin have probably cost Mark the title this year.

But however much we like him as a person, I have to say that Vettel probably deserves the title more : he's had the edge over Mark for most of the year and that last engine failure was not his fault.

If Alonso becomes WDC on Sunday, we must all hope he wins it by a margin of 8 points or more. Then it can be said he truly deserved it.

And that's in everyone's interest.

Someone close the internets, this post wins.

First sensible post on this board in months i swear it.

+1 for Evo's post. However, as i've stated, i'd find it subtly ironic if Hamilton moved over to allow Webber the win.

If either of them was in Alonso's position they would cynically try to take out MW at the start to secure their WDC.

Edited by slideways, 13 November 2010 - 00:51.

Vettel to hit sidepod of Ham, like in Spa.

Thanks Guys ! Whatever happens, lets hope it's a good race.
At least this year there's nobody in the hunt for the championship like Michael Schumacher or Ayrton Senna.

If either of them was in Alonso's position they would cynically try to take out MW at the start to secure their WDC.

Suppose Lewis gets the pole and RBR are on the front, what are the chances of a secret pact. We have seen it earlier. Williams-Mclaren doing it.

It would backfire pretty heavily on Red Bulls image, which is not what Dietrich Mateschitz wants.

He rather will sacrifice the WDC title for having the image of a clean, fun-based racing team who do not sacrifice all their values in the name of success.
In a way Red Bull and Mateschitz may win even more comprehensively (on a different plane) by not winning the WDC....