I will be there Saturday with my old friend & fellow marshal from Oulton & Aintree 40 years ago, Mike Godfrey, so please say hi LotusElise. Ian Smith-Diz, will you be about???
Me too, all being well!
Is there a specific meeting time? 
Race Retro: 25th-27th February 2011
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 05:51
Me too, all being well!
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 08:43
Me too, all being well!
One size fits all so it's 1pm at Ted's on Saturday too? May not be quite as highbrow as Friday as it is one of the 'people's days' so as to speak (perish the thought!
) but at least there will be no embarassment attached to an inability to count rivets (or anything else efficiently for that matter.............) 
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 08:50
A proper list of exhibitors might have persuaded me to go -
http://www.raceretro...tID=@0000000004
No excuse now, RS2000 so see you there!
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 18:56
I'll be there Saturday too, looking out for Mr Grindrod, who I have not seen since 1971, neither of us has changed much. 
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 20:52
I know it's a bit short notice but if anyone is going tomorrow and needs a pass, I have now found I have more than I can use....... 
(PM me)
(PM me)
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 20:52
An excellent day spent with enjoyable company. I have to say that most of my visit was spent renewing acquaintances and chatting, rather than studying the exhibits, but I left with the impression that it was better than last year with something for everyone. Although time was spent browsing the bookstalls, I managed to resist adding to the library. Thanks to Mr Rainford for conveying a group of us in comfort from Cheshire. Delighted to meet Tim Murray for the first time.
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 21:06
An excellent day spent with enjoyable company. I have to say that most of my visit was spent renewing acquaintances and chatting, rather than studying the exhibits, but I left with the impression that it was better than last year with something for everyone. Although time was spent browsing the bookstalls, I managed to resist adding to the library. Thanks to Mr Rainford for conveying a group of us in comfort from Cheshire. Delighted to meet Tim Murray for the first time.
Indeed ...........a pleasure to meet Tim at last
Have to say following Mr Cox around the Show was akin to a Royal Walkabout; he seemed to know everyone
The Show for me was a vast improvement on last year
PAR
Edited by Phil Rainford, 25 February 2011 - 21:21.
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 21:29
A few more.....
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 21:47
An excellent day spent with enjoyable company. I have to say that most of my visit was spent renewing acquaintances and chatting, rather than studying the exhibits, but I left with the impression that it was better than last year with something for everyone. Although time was spent browsing the bookstalls, I managed to resist adding to the library. Thanks to Mr Rainford for conveying a group of us in comfort from Cheshire. Delighted to meet Tim Murray for the first time.
Mr Cox, how did you escape me today? Mr Rainford was under orders to make sure you didn't leave the building until I'd met you.
Oh well, 2012 then...
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 22:19
Delighted to meet Tim Murray for the first time.
Gentlemen, I'm touched. I was also extremely pleased to make your acquaintance.Indeed ...........a pleasure to meet Tim at last
I can say in their defence that as soon as I'd told Alan and Phil that they might find you and Roger taking sustenance in the cafe they set off to try to find you, but were obviously too late.Mr Cox, how did you escape me today? Mr Rainford was under orders to make sure you didn't leave the building until I'd met you.
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Posted 26 February 2011 - 10:28
Definitely more crowded than in previous years.
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Posted 26 February 2011 - 16:52
I turned up to meet fellow TNF folk on Friday at Ted at 1 pm and there was no one there. I meant to come back later but met so many others folk I forgot
Edited by Derwent Motorsport, 26 February 2011 - 17:51.
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Posted 26 February 2011 - 18:15
I enjoyed myself with my family today and there was plenty of cars to see.
I had a nice time looking through the autojumble hall, scrumming through books and magazines which I enjoy the most. My son (who is only 11 months) enjoyed looking at the old motorbikes and the historic rally outside the Hall.
Of course I went to the Birmingham Superprix tribute stand and I had a quick look around and met Dave Lucas who organised the stand.
I had a nice time looking through the autojumble hall, scrumming through books and magazines which I enjoy the most. My son (who is only 11 months) enjoyed looking at the old motorbikes and the historic rally outside the Hall.
Of course I went to the Birmingham Superprix tribute stand and I had a quick look around and met Dave Lucas who organised the stand.
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Posted 26 February 2011 - 18:26
An excellent day spent with enjoyable company. I have to say that most of my visit was spent renewing acquaintances and chatting, rather than studying the exhibits, but I left with the impression that it was better than last year with something for everyone. Although time was spent browsing the bookstalls, I managed to resist adding to the library. Thanks to Mr Rainford for conveying a group of us in comfort from Cheshire. Delighted to meet Tim Murray for the first time.
Sorry I missed it. Phil offered me a seat in the car, but sadly work took priority. Maybe next year.
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Posted 26 February 2011 - 19:28
Great to see the ever helpful Ted @ Ferret for the first time this season today, and also Pullman99 / Ian Robinson & David Beard on his way to a Lotus love-in!
Busy as hell today; it took me over an hour to get from Stoneleigh village to the parking.
Two rather different Elvas..................
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-26
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-26
I was really taken with this lovely Porsche 910
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-26
Norman Dewis was in fine form & looking forward to a busy year celebrating 50 years of the E-Type
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A Lotus emerges..........
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The Andretti family's 962
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By giraffe138 at 2011-02-27
F3 Dastle
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March 703. Bev Bond told me he will be campaigning a similar car in the 1 litre 'screamer' category of Historic F3 this coming season.
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-27
Busy as hell today; it took me over an hour to get from Stoneleigh village to the parking.
Two rather different Elvas..................
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-26
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-26
I was really taken with this lovely Porsche 910
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-26
Norman Dewis was in fine form & looking forward to a busy year celebrating 50 years of the E-Type
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-26
A Lotus emerges..........
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-26
The Andretti family's 962
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-26
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-27
F3 Dastle
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-26
March 703. Bev Bond told me he will be campaigning a similar car in the 1 litre 'screamer' category of Historic F3 this coming season.
By giraffe138 at 2011-02-27
Edited by Giraffe, 27 February 2011 - 08:25.
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Posted 26 February 2011 - 21:43
I was there at 1.00 pm. I asked Ted Walker if there were any other TNFers about, and he said that someone else had just asked him the same question, but when he looked around he couldn't spot this other person. A few more TNFers turned up a few minutes later. Sorry to have missed you.I turned up to meet fellow TNF folk on Friday at Ted at 1 pm and there was no one there. I meant to come back later but met so many others folk I forgot
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Posted 26 February 2011 - 21:54
The number 6 Elva in Giraffe's pictures had been converted to Porsche power (rather crudely in my opinion) in the USA, and had made its way to the UK via Germany. There were several Elva Porsches in period and also George Follmer's Lotus 23 Porsche. I have often thought it would add to the general interest if someone tried it in historic racing today. Has it not been done because
a) you can only do it if your chassis ran with a Porsche engine in period
b) you can only do it if you use the 4 cam Porsche engine that was used in period (hugely expensive apparently; the vendor of the Elva at the show was quoted 140k euros), or
c) the development of Lotus twin cams over the intervening period has negated the power advantage the Porsche engine had back in the sixties
I would be interested in your thoughts.
Regards,
Steve
a) you can only do it if your chassis ran with a Porsche engine in period
b) you can only do it if you use the 4 cam Porsche engine that was used in period (hugely expensive apparently; the vendor of the Elva at the show was quoted 140k euros), or
c) the development of Lotus twin cams over the intervening period has negated the power advantage the Porsche engine had back in the sixties
I would be interested in your thoughts.
Regards,
Steve
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Posted 26 February 2011 - 23:00
The number 6 Elva in Giraffe's pictures had been converted to Porsche power (rather crudely in my opinion
I would be interested in your thoughts.
Regards,
Steve
There was nothing in the engine bay that I could see today, Steve
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 08:39
BBC Traffic Report at 10.45 on Saturday morning: "We are getting reports of long traffic jams in the Stoneleigh area. We have no idea why!"
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 08:46
BBC Traffic Report at 10.45 on Saturday morning: "We are getting reports of long traffic jams in the Stoneleigh area. We have no idea why!"
I heard that Barry as I was stuck for approximately 80 minutes in it! The problem was that vehicles were getting bogged down in the carpark due to conditions caused by overnight rain. Car owners were being advised to dump their vehicles and "not to worry" they were being shifted about by tractor!
I was fortunate as just as I approached the gate they shut it and I was shunted down to the VIP carpark at the main gate which was hard standing. 
Whilst there are many reasons for me to return to Stoneleigh today (I only live 28 miles / 40 mins away & was offered a free pass), I have decided not to risk it and to stay at home.
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Edited by Giraffe, 27 February 2011 - 08:47.
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 10:07
Took a few snaps yesterday...slideshow here.
http://www.flickr.co...019386079/show/
Perhaps more suitable for Personal Details thread. Will post a shot or two there.
http://www.flickr.co...019386079/show/
Perhaps more suitable for Personal Details thread. Will post a shot or two there.
Edited by David Beard, 27 February 2011 - 19:42.
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 10:29
Somehow I managed to avoid EVERYBODY! The weather for the morning rally stage was just how I remember it- bleedin' awful (which is why I stopped photographing them!).
Edited by elansprint72, 27 February 2011 - 10:29.
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 10:34
BBC Traffic Report at 10.45 on Saturday morning: "We are getting reports of long traffic jams in the Stoneleigh area. We have no idea why!"
Suggest next year they use the hard standing areas for the Car Park......while create a Rally Stage in the fields
PAR
Edited by Phil Rainford, 27 February 2011 - 10:36.
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 11:57
Porsche Elva
Four Cam Porsche engine to complicated and to expensive at over 100K each!
Twin Cam same power for 12-16% of price.
Will be 4 Cam racing in Pre 63 at Silverstone Festival and Spa.
Four Cam Porsche engine to complicated and to expensive at over 100K each!
Twin Cam same power for 12-16% of price.
Will be 4 Cam racing in Pre 63 at Silverstone Festival and Spa.
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Suggest next year they use the hard standing areas for the Car Park......while create a Rally Stage in the fields
PAR
I got stuck attempting to extricate my car - huge thanks to the three pushers who helped me out - from a slight slope (and I was being ever so gentle with the clutch) but the tractors by late afternoon had been told not to help as they were causing further problems. I did see one tractor itself stuck but another was helping a 4WD Audi A6! Shades of South Bank at Brands! Maybe I should've had some Pirellis on?
Anyway. Great show and nice to meet up with Giraffe, Ted Walker, and Andrew Kitson. Nice as well to see Baby Bertha.
And, blimey, is it really 25 years since the first Birmingham Superprix? The Museum of Science & Industry in Birmingham was asked to parade their "Blitzen" Benz earlier in 1986 and wanted to contrast this with a current racing car to help promote the event. I arranged with Bridgestone to loan them one of the 1985 Ralt RB20s of Mike Thackwell and they had this in the museum for several weeks.
Interesting to find one of the 1995 Simteks tucked away too.
One of the art section stands had this beautiful model of Bluebird CN7 along with some nice paintings of Donald Campbell and the Bluebird K7 boat.
Crosthwaite and Gardiner had a very interesting stand too that featured a pic of the newly recreated Dymaxion car built for Lord Foster. They also have the original car currently being retored for the National Automobile Museum (formerly Harrah's in Reno) and one of their staff described it as "a hell of thing to move around the workshop" with some 18 turns lock to lock. The architect Buckminster Fuller wasa a pioneer of geodesic structures and wanted to apply his concepts, which he referred to as "Dymaxion", to automotive applications - hence the car which is built on a Ford V8 chassis but with the engine in the rear. I was invited to a reception to mark the opening of an exhibition at the Manchester Museum on the work of Norman Foster in 1985 and when I met him, knowing of his interest in Buckminster Fuller, mentioned that I had recently seen the Dymaxion car at Reno and he was most interested to learn that one of the cars was still in existence.
Octane feature on Dymaxion
Russell Brookes and the Andrews Heat for Hire Talbot Sunbeam Lotus are always good value. Stayed to watch the rally stage, with commenatry from Tony Mason, in the afternoon sunshine.
Edited by Pullman99, 01 October 2011 - 09:43.
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Wot! Only two Lotus pix?Slideshow here, hopefully, showing some more...
http://www.flickr.co...019386079/show/
Edited by David McKinney, 27 February 2011 - 16:19.
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Three more show cars....
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 18:23
Wot! Only two Lotus pix?
I took hundreds, but they are just record shots.
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Wot! Only two Lotus pix?
I took dozens, but they are just record shots.
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they are just record shots.
Another of my record shots....
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Speedmasters seem to be struggling to move this car, despite all the publicity it got with 'Little Art' in last month's "MotorSport"
Edited by Giraffe, 27 February 2011 - 21:30.
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Edited by elansprint72, 27 February 2011 - 20:47.
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A few of mine for you all...
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Thanks for looking
Matthew
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Thanks for looking
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Matthew and Peter ............go to the top of the class 
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 22:10
A few of my happy snaps from Race Retro today ...
A well-used Lancia Aurelia
Anti-dazzle measures for Monte Sunbeam Talbot
Ex-Etancelin Talbot-Lago (perhaps a bit too shiny?).
Wee Jackie's Tasman hot-seat (with after-market belts).
Some revelled in the slippery Rally Stage.
Others enjoyed it rather less.
A well-used Lancia Aurelia
Anti-dazzle measures for Monte Sunbeam Talbot
Ex-Etancelin Talbot-Lago (perhaps a bit too shiny?).
Wee Jackie's Tasman hot-seat (with after-market belts).
Some revelled in the slippery Rally Stage.
Others enjoyed it rather less.
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 23:03
I saw that Stutgart taxi on the Saturday morning run and thought that it might end in tears.
Nice photos, chaps.
Nice photos, chaps.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 00:21
Glad we went on Friday, weather-wise!
Brilliant photos chaps, especially from the rally 'stage'...
PS Could we please keep the photos posted at a maximum of 800/850 pixels in width? Thanks
Brilliant photos chaps, especially from the rally 'stage'...
PS Could we please keep the photos posted at a maximum of 800/850 pixels in width? Thanks
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 08:17
Thanks for all the photos everyone, I saw most of the works rally cars back in the day and it is nce to see them still being used properly.
Glyn
PS I hope the tree is alright after being attacked by the German taxi.
Glyn
PS I hope the tree is alright after being attacked by the German taxi.
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A few of mine for you all...
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Thanks for looking Matthew
Nice pics, but is that the car park or the rally stage? Difficult to tell!
Edited by Pullman99, 28 February 2011 - 08:44.
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A few of my happy snaps from Race Retro today ...
Others enjoyed it rather less.
Ouch!
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Thanks to Tim Murray for inviting me to the show and to everyone at the Bristol Pegasus MC who played a part in getting me there.
I was short of spare change for the H&H catalogue does any one recognise this Group C car ?
I thought it was a Sehcar and have since eliminated Argo, Alba, ALD, Gebhardt & EMKA from the list, it's certainly not a Nimrod or the Gipfast DPLM, so I imagine the Aston sticker on the nose may not be a useful clue.
I was short of spare change for the H&H catalogue does any one recognise this Group C car ?
I thought it was a Sehcar and have since eliminated Argo, Alba, ALD, Gebhardt & EMKA from the list, it's certainly not a Nimrod or the Gipfast DPLM, so I imagine the Aston sticker on the nose may not be a useful clue.
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It was good to have you along, Ralph, and we all had a great day out (though the poor woman conducting the interviews on the stage in Hall 3 may now not have a very high opinion of usThanks to Tim Murray for inviting me to the show and to everyone at the Bristol Pegasus MC who played a part in getting me there.
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PS I hope the tree is alright after being attacked by the German taxi.
Glyn, the tree seemed fine - just shook a bit during the impact - but the car wasn't travelling THAT quickly. Some muttering among the Meeja that a Proper Benz would just have reversed and carried on.
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It's actully a Cheetah showcar http://www.classic-a...wcar-32733.aspx Sold for £7,700I was short of spare change for the H&H catalogue does any one recognise this Group C car ?
I thought it was a Sehcar and have since eliminated Argo, Alba, ALD, Gebhardt & EMKA from the list, it's certainly not a Nimrod or the Gipfast DPLM, so I imagine the Aston sticker on the nose may not be a useful clue.
Full auction results here http://www.classic-a...hPark-1286.aspx
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Why on earth would anyone want to pay £7,700 for a heap of fibreglass on some scaffolding poles?!?!
I also notice from Alan's posting of the full auction results that this abomination is still up for sale........
http://www.classic-a...tion-32705.aspx
I've seen this Quasimodo of 917s with various dealers around Manchester for literally years now.
I also notice from Alan's posting of the full auction results that this abomination is still up for sale........
http://www.classic-a...tion-32705.aspx
I've seen this Quasimodo of 917s with various dealers around Manchester for literally years now.
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Why on earth would anyone want to pay £7,700 for a heap of fibreglass on some scaffolding poles?!?!
The Tate Gallery?!!!
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It's actully a Cheetah showcar http://www.classic-a...wcar-32733.aspx Sold for £7,700
Full auction results here http://www.classic-a...hPark-1286.aspx
Why on earth would anyone want to pay £7,700 for a heap of fibreglass on some scaffolding poles?!?!
Might be handy to have as a set of spare bodywork if you've got the actual car I suppose...
Incidentally, as there's recently been a thread about Cheetah designer Chuck Graemiger, does anyone know what happened to the original car? IIRC, it was around in Interserie or German Supercup races at the end of the 80's but I don't know where it went after that- I don't think it's ever turned up on the historic Group C racing scene
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I think I have found my personal favorite from the show...
Quite like this one too
Quite like this one too
