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Italian metalwork?

Started by bill p , Dec 03 2010 15:05

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#1 bill p

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 15:05

Any ideas on this photo posted on the H.A.M.B. site?

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#2 h4887

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 19:55

Hawaii Association of Mortgage Brokers? :confused:

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#3 Vitesse2

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 20:02

Hawaii Association of Mortgage Brokers?

Hokey Ass Message Board

Try this thread but be prepared to lose several days out of your life! :lol:

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#4 RStock

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 20:43

Hokey Ass Message Board

Try this thread but be prepared to lose several days out of your life!

And when you're finished with that thread, try this one.

http://www.jalopyjou...ad.php?t=428585

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#5 D-Type

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 21:56

Wow!

Now I know where to go when I'm bored. :up:

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#6 arttidesco

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 22:50

Any ideas on this photo posted on the H.A.M.B. site?

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For a brief moment I wondered if this was the Jankowits shop but the front engine and front suspension layout says not, looks like superleggera sort of construction to my untrained eye so I'd guess Carrozzeria Touring in Milan after that I'd guess Alfa Romeo Disco Volante but there is something not quite right about that so maybe something else of that ilk ?

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#7 TooTall

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 23:19

A wild guess, Denzel?

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#8 arttidesco

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 23:41

Same problem with the Denzel as the Jankowits the engine goes in the back plus the Denzel SFAIK had VW based Tortion bar suspension, and these look like front engined cars.

Edited by arttidesco, 03 December 2010 - 23:48.

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#9 arttidesco

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 23:53

Final guess for the night how about one of the Veritas models ?

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#10 elansprint72

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 01:52

German Shirley?

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#11 RTH

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 07:50

Not much equipment in that workshop, I cannot see a wheeling machine, large width treadle sheet metal guillotine, bending rolls or any gas cylinders or much else for fabricating large aluminium bodies on that scale.The building has an Italian look about it.

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#12 P.Dron

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 10:57

Ghia? I cannot identify the car, however.

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#13 richardspringett

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 14:29

I feel uncomfortable with this image -- too laid out, too clean -- never seen an Italian shop like this even on a Sunday!

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#14 f1steveuk

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 15:05

The complete car in the centre reminds me a great deal of a Maserati streamliner I once saw in an old black and white picture. I shall see if I can find it.

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#15 Tom Smith

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 17:41

The complete car in the centre reminds me a great deal of a Maserati streamliner I once saw in an old black and white picture. I shall see if I can find it.

I have seen period pictures of Medardo Fantuzzi's work shop and it looks quite similar. Carrozzeria Viotti of Turin built the 4CM streamliner.

Edited by Tom Smith, 05 December 2010 - 17:51.

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#16 RTH

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 17:42

What looks like a car in the middle of the workshop is probably a wooden buck for forming the body panel sections over.

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#17 Bauble

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Posted 05 December 2010 - 17:56

I do not wish to appear facetious but that looks a lot like a bed behind the body/buck in the centre of the picture.

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#18 elansprint72

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 01:28

German; Shirley?

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#19 David Birchall

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 03:45

The headlight position of the one car with lights indicates pre 1953 I think. I thought Maserati first but the chassis do not look Maserati. How about Gilco-the chassis building people?

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#20 RTH

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 08:00

IF...and its quite a big one...they are big long sportscars of the 1950s, and if it is in Italy? ( tiled floor,building construction, dingy unpainted nature of the walls, long hanging lights and lack of equipment and rather cramped for the number of chassis to be worked on .I have been in old workshops in the Milan area with this sort of feel about 30 years ago. This picture might be 60 years old or more

Which make & models of sports racing car might these be ? Have they got an early 50s Mille Miglia look about the form ??
...And might it be one of the many coachbuilders/ body panel makers / metal forming companies in northern Italy who were sub contractors for Ferrari, Alfa,Lancia, or Maserati and others ?? Looks to me as if the chassis have been delivered there to have bodies made, but are they also forming the tubular framework that the body panels are attached to there ?

Edited by RTH, 06 December 2010 - 13:09.

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#21 wenoopy

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 11:19

The placement of the headlights is reminiscent of a prewar Stanguellini streamliner built for a Tobruk to Tripoli race (1939 or 1940?). Could these be from that era?

As mentioned earlier, Veritas from c.1950 built all-enveloping single-seaters, which were not unlike those pictured. OSCA from about 1954 abandoned the cycle mudguard or Lotus 7 type wing. Some OSCA bodies were made by Morelli, but as with most Italian coachbuilders, a great number of variations existed on basic body shapes. The results of Mille Miglia and other open road races reveals a great legion of small mainly Fiat-derived sports cars.

Does the front suspension on the nearest chassis look at all familiar?

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#22 RTH

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 12:48

A coachbuilders website with mountains of references

http://www.coachbuil...g2_itemId=25281

I wonder if there is anything here which might help us ?

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#23 Dimsomdan

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 13:02

The workshop photo you have there is the Via Moreali premises of Stanguellini, i think they are making a small run of 1100 Sport Nazionale. There would not be an english wheel or other types formers that we are used to seeing in our body shops as the italians have a differentway of making aluminuim bodies. They have usually use a metal frame and then hammer out small pieces of aluminium and then weld them all together like a patch work quilt. The picture is around 1946.

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#24 RTH

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 13:14

Fascinating Dan thank you for that. So some fairly close ideas above then.

Do you have, or can point us towards , any more pictures of the workshops and/or the finished cars ?

here is a Stanguellini link

http://www.wheelsofi...hp/Stanguellini

Edited by RTH, 06 December 2010 - 13:20.

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#25 P.Dron

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 13:21

The workshop photo you have there is the Via Moreali premises of Stanguellini, i think they are making a small run of 1100 Sport Nazionale. There would not be an english wheel or other types formers that we are used to seeing in our body shops as the italians have a differentway of making aluminuim bodies. They have usually use a metal frame and then hammer out small pieces of aluminium and then weld them all together like a patch work quilt. The picture is around 1946.

Thanks
Dan

That's cleared it up. In the interesting website below, see GALLERY - 1936-1946 - photo 22:

http://www.stanguellini.it/

And even more so, photo 20!

Edited by P.Dron, 06 December 2010 - 13:25.

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#26 bill p

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 13:31

That's cleared it up. In the interesting website below, see GALLERY - 1936-1946 - photo 22:

http://www.stanguellini.it/

And even more so, photo 20!

Well done, the mystery is solved!

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#27 Dimsomdan

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Posted 06 December 2010 - 15:07

No Problem, they are just amazing pictures, the old photographs are wonderful try and find some of the original Alfa Romeo workshops! Dirt floors and gas welding equipment! Stanguellini made some incredible cars and always beautifully styled. I have been very lucky and have a couple of Stanguellinis in the workshop at the moment, you only need to look at them and it puts a smile on your face! will see if i can find some more original workshop pictures.