Nigel Roebuck
#1
Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:03
My question is, do any of you read his material and are his opinions and recollections accurate?
Thanks
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#2
Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:17
#3
Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:30
Nigel's critics say he does too much reminiscing through rose-tinted glasses, but he really did enjoy the sport more before big money affected it so much, and was/is actually friends with people like James Hunt. And, the one thing that really sets him apart from most Englishmen: Nigel will readily proclaim that he's not a Nigel Mansell fan. What a revelation! I'm surprised he hasn't been deported for pointing out what a difficult ass Nigel is.
#4
Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:36
#5
Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:45
As for Mansell, I never got to see him race in F1, but he was entertaining to watch when he raced Champcars. However, he seemed to be quite a whinger, even if he just won the race.
#6
Posted 10 August 2001 - 15:56
#7
Posted 10 August 2001 - 16:46
I've been watching F1 since the days of Mario Andretti -- I haven't noticed that it's become nastier. But it seems that Roebuck sees it that way. I think that GP racing was always hard, and that drivers were always primarily interested in winning. (Even the movie 'Gand Prix' [1966?] picked up on that.) I think that Roebuck has allocated all that is unsightly about today's GP to MS: whereas he very accurately shares it out when it comes to the past, with the result that for him the old drivers were capable of the odd indiscretion, without being labelled 'bad guys'.
(Remember James Hunt felled a marshall with a punch who was trying to help him? What would somebody like Roebuck say if MS had done that. Then there are all the Senna incidents that he recently glided over.)
Still, I look forward to his column ervery Wednesday.
#8
Posted 10 August 2001 - 18:16
#9
Posted 10 August 2001 - 19:23
He's the only reason why I log onto Autosport. The first thing I do when I get home from school on Wednesdays is to read his column.
His favorites are Stirling Moss and Gilles Villeneuve. He regards Stirling as the best ever.
Regards,
Mr.J
#10
Posted 10 August 2001 - 21:43
Originally posted by LittleChris
I'm an Englishman & I think Mansell is the biggest, most egotistical boring C**T that was ever allowed to drive an F1 car ( As opposed to a GP car ), so don't tar us all with the same brush.
I'll second that ...
BTW Chris, who are you referring to as the biggest, most egotistical boring C**T that was ever allowed to drive a GP car?
As for Nigel Roebuck: I'll second Don's comments - he's the main reason I read Autosport these days (apart from scanning the sits vac of course!!)
#11
Posted 10 August 2001 - 21:50
On Mansell, I think you will find that very few Englishmen who were race fans before the rise of Il Leone, and are still race fans after he has moved on, will claim to actually like the man or the type of followers his style attracted.
#12
Posted 11 August 2001 - 08:02
I still buy Autosport every week, partly for his column but also for the "Club Autosport" section, I find that more interesting than the F1 coverage these days. When will they drop their interminable unclever "pun" headlines? They drive me mad.
#13
Posted 12 August 2001 - 18:36
BTW, I'm not English but I find Nigel Mansell one of the bravest and fastest F1 (and other cars) drivers of the last 20 years. I don't know if he was a nice and charming guy but I always thought he deserved more than one eventual WDC, and it is a shame that his WDC was in such a superior car, people tends to subestimate him for that, forgetting he could win others WDCs on merit.
Obviously all this IMHO
#14
Posted 13 August 2001 - 02:32
#15
Posted 13 August 2001 - 04:06
I think it is his nonosense insights into the drivers personality etc. that I enjoy best!
#16
Posted 24 August 2001 - 23:21
I actually meant F1 car as a derogatory term as compared to a GP car. I've just been on holiday to NE France & S Belgium, so prepare yourself for lots of pictures of Peronne, Reims, Chimay & Mettet once I get them developed ! Peronne in particular is wonderful !
Chris
#17
Posted 26 August 2001 - 15:41
If you want to read how much he loved Gilles Villeneuve and how much he disliked Nigel Mansell (it's actually a hilarious chapter), check out his latest book, "Chasing the Title"
I take some heat for respecting him though from my Schumacher-loving friends.
#18
Posted 26 August 2001 - 15:53
If I recall correctly he didn't mention Villeneuve once in this article, something of a novelty for him.
Is the man getting bored or has he revised his opinions?
#19
Posted 26 August 2001 - 17:56
"he could do without calling Michael "herr schumacher".
Roebuck's mentor, DSJ used to refer to Stewart as 'the beady-eyed Scot' and Prost as the 'woolly-haired Frenchman'...
I'm another Brit who is not an admirer of Mansell's histrionics, but he certainly put in some very fine racing performances.
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#20
Posted 28 August 2001 - 13:02
Originally posted by bergwerk
Is the man getting bored or has he revised his opinions?
I think like many of us he must be getting pretty bored of modern F1 - I can't think of anything worse than having to write a race report of the recent Hungary race!
I'll miss his columns when he retires, but at least I won't have to buy Autosport any more:-)
- Michael
#21
Posted 28 August 2001 - 20:21
#22
Posted 29 August 2001 - 01:12
I'm curious if there are any motorsport journalists of similar caliber writing regularly in other languages?
#23
Posted 29 August 2001 - 09:53
Before the days when Bernie caused F1 Media Centres to be harder to penetrate than the Pentagon War Room, I had occasional semi-official business in the Adelaide Grand Prix Media Centre when it was (for those familiar) adjacent to the old Victoria Park race course buildings.
One day I was walking through the building an hour or so after what had been a particularly torrid qualifying session. There was NR, surrounded by, oh - about 15 of his fellow scribes, holding forth on the recent qualifying session to an audience that by their attentiveness and body language, were hanging on his every word. This wasn't a filibuster or a lecture; it seemed to me a genuine case of the guys avidly drinking in NR's spin on proceedings.
There again, maybe they were just swapping notes on who'd been seen coming out of which drivers' room at The Hilton last night
Vanwall.
#24
Posted 30 August 2001 - 14:49
If you are interested, take a look. I make the mistake of posting something over there and, well....
.... I never seem to remember that great advice: "Don't get off the boat!"
Ditto for the threads on qualifying and the Senna poll.....
#25
Posted 30 August 2001 - 14:56
#26
Posted 30 August 2001 - 16:45
I make the mistake of posting something over there and, well....
That is exactly why I chose to ask this group, as you all seem to have the ability to discuss something in a civil manner.
BTW, I appreciate the input I have gotten.
#27
Posted 30 August 2001 - 20:10
Originally posted by CeCe
I too, have noticed fewer Jacques Villeneuve references this entire year from Nigel. Hmmmm . . .
NR reckons JV is "shockingly wasting his talents", in fact the status quo for years already - so nothing new to refer to.
#28
Posted 31 August 2001 - 00:53
#29
Posted 31 August 2001 - 01:04
#30
Posted 31 August 2001 - 01:11
Gilles would be taking that BAR by the scruff of the neck and literally fling it around circuits at speeds it has no right doing. Could Jacques do the same? Well he isn't and I would say he can't.
#31
Posted 31 August 2001 - 02:51
Originally posted by Bernd
Gilles would be taking that BAR by the scruff of the neck and literally fling it around circuits at speeds it has no right doing. Could Jacques do the same? Well he isn't and I would say he can't.
This phrase has a rather Roebuckesque turn to it...
Are we sure about Bernd's identity?
#32
Posted 31 August 2001 - 06:48
In fact, I think that if Gilles were the age now that Jacques is, he would have walked away from F1 a long time ago.
#33
Posted 31 August 2001 - 08:11
Barry I fear that you are right.... Very Sad.
#34
Posted 31 August 2001 - 10:12
Vanwall.
#35
Posted 31 August 2001 - 10:32
Originally posted by Barry Boor
In fact, I think that if Gilles were the age now that Jacques is, he would have walked away from F1 a long time ago.
I remember Villeneuve saying that his dream was driving in Formula 1 with Ferrari and that made him a happy man.
I don't remember him requesting slides aswell.
#36
Posted 31 August 2001 - 10:44
I have been a Roebuck fan since I started watching F1. His Senna legacy to Schumacher theory is his honest opinion and IMO spot-on. I check out his "Ask Nigel" web column and his Autosport column, as well as get my race reports from Autoweek.
If you want to read how much he loved Gilles Villeneuve and how much he disliked Nigel Mansell (it's actually a hilarious chapter), check out his latest book, "Chasing the Title"
CeCe - I have to say I agree with your every word. NR is a fascinating read, and very well informed if somewhat opinionated - but that makes his column all the more interesting. He writes from personal experience and knowledge, so I greatly respect (though may not always agree with) his views.
Long may he continue to entertain and inform us more humble F1 fans.
#37
Posted 01 September 2001 - 07:20
PS Does anyone know if Nigel Roebuck related to the Cricket writer, county English cricket player Peter Roebuck??
#38
Posted 01 September 2001 - 07:35
Very unlikely because Nigel comes from Manchester, while IIRC Peter is from the West country. Roebuck is a pretty common surname in the U.K. I used to have a teaching colleague who was also a Roebuck.
#39
Posted 04 September 2001 - 06:55
http://www.atlasf1.c...&threadid=27799
It has an excellent discussion on the nuances of oversteer and understeer.
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#40
Posted 13 December 2007 - 09:25
Does anyone know what he is going to do next?
#41
Posted 13 December 2007 - 09:42
But here's my question. In his new role, will he be attending Grands Prix? Or to put it another way, will he be bothering Max and Bernie for an FIA pass? And, inter alia, will he be feeling some freedom to paint a picture of the sorry state of Formula One that more resembles the way it really is?
I believe he has been already been somewhat more bold than many of his anaemic colleagues in declaring that there's something rotten in the State of FIA. May he now feel able to turn up the heat?
Ah! Edit. I have just nipped into Ask Nigel and one question is answered: "This is indeed my last week of working for Autosport (both the magazine and the website), but in the New Year I'm going off to be editor-in-chief of Motor Sport, and will continue to go to the races, and to write columns and features, as always."
Still, take it to them, Nigel!
#42
Posted 13 December 2007 - 10:59
Nigel gets accused of "reusing" material but when he has written so many words on this sport of ours and considering there are new enthusiasts created every day thats a neccessary evil and I have always enjoyed his columns, maybe nort always agreed, but always enjoyed. Strangley I was also this morning catching up on some old MS issues, i've abit of a backlog, and in last July's edition his column covered Pironi.... despite an attempt to be objective, his disgust shone through - I'd rather see such conviction than the FIA focussed bendoverism of today.
keep up the good work Nigel, goodbye but eh welcome
#43
Posted 13 December 2007 - 11:27
Originally posted by Vanwall
But here's my question. In his new role, will he be attending Grands Prix? Or to put it another way, will he be bothering Max and Bernie for an FIA pass? And, inter alia, will he be feeling some freedom to paint a picture of the sorry state of Formula One that more resembles the way it really is?
Yes he will still be attending GP's...
"This is indeed my last week of working for Autosport (both the magazine and the website), but in the New Year I'm going off to be editor-in-chief of Motor Sport, and will continue to go to the races, and to write columns and features, as always."
http://www.autosport...x.html/id/23047
But only about 12...
"On behalf of Autosport, I went to nearly 450 Grands Prix, so that can't be bad for a start, can it? And in my new job, I plan to continue to attend at least a dozen a year, plus other events here and there..."
http://www.autosport...x.html/id/23110
#44
Posted 13 December 2007 - 13:19
Originally posted by Barry Boor
I see that Nigel Roebuck is leaving Autosport.
Does anyone know what he is going to do next?
in this weeks on line 'ask nigel' on the main site he explains that
"in the New Year I'm going off to be editor-in-chief of Motor Sport, and will continue to go to the races, and to write columns and features, as always."
peter
#45
Posted 13 December 2007 - 13:31
#46
Posted 13 December 2007 - 16:31
I just looked at this week's AuSpo in the Co-op and it was uniformly awful.
It's nowt but a comic now.
Very sad, but then I am very old.....
#47
Posted 13 December 2007 - 16:49
But I won't be following him to Motorsport, unless they're planning to substantially increase their coverage of modern motor racing.
#48
Posted 13 December 2007 - 17:51
Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
I've always enjoyed reading his stuff, even if I've not always agreed with it. Will miss my weekly fix of his writing in Autosport.
But I won't be following him to Motorsport, unless they're planning to substantially increase their coverage of modern motor racing.
But they have
#49
Posted 13 December 2007 - 17:52
There's been quite a bit in the last few issues ....Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
But I won't be following him to Motorsport, unless they're planning to substantially increase their coverage of modern motor racing.
#50
Posted 13 December 2007 - 18:28
Now, do I keep my AutoSport on-line subscription or not...