I need your advice ... I am in two minds whether to see this film.
So, should I go and see the film?
Yes. Well worth seeing whatever you think of Senna.
Posted 08 June 2011 - 21:46
I need your advice ... I am in two minds whether to see this film.
So, should I go and see the film?
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Posted 09 June 2011 - 12:31
I do sympathize to a degree with Canon14's dilemma. Senna was a fantastic driver, but such things as ditching his wife because she did not fit in with his career plans and that first swerve on Prost lowered my opinion of him greatly. Then, when he committed what arguably is the worst on track move of all time, deliberately crashing into Prost in Japan in 1990, well, I lost any remaining respect for him then.
Posted 09 June 2011 - 12:39
I do sympathize to a degree with Canon14's dilemma. Senna was a fantastic driver, but such things as ditching his wife because she did not fit in with his career plans and that first swerve on Prost lowered my opinion of him greatly. Then, when he committed what arguably is the worst on track move of all time, deliberately crashing into Prost in Japan in 1990, well, I lost any remaining respect for him then.
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Posted 10 June 2011 - 09:24
When a driver has an overtaking mentailty of "I'm going through and if you don't yield we'll crash" eventually he will find the guy who calls his bluff.
Posted 11 June 2011 - 03:59
I do sympathize to a degree with Canon14's dilemma. Senna was a fantastic driver, but such things as ditching his wife because she did not fit in with his career plans and that first swerve on Prost lowered my opinion of him greatly. Then, when he committed what arguably is the worst on track move of all time, deliberately crashing into Prost in Japan in 1990, well, I lost any remaining respect for him then.
Posted 11 June 2011 - 12:14
...things as ditching his wife because she did not fit in with his career plans ...
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Posted 11 June 2011 - 14:13
I am sure that there was. But from what I read at the time I recall it being presented as a rather callous move because his career plan did not include her presence. But, as you say, there likely is more than what came out at the time. Having said that, it still strikes me as being a bit crass.There was a bit more to them splitting up of course... Plus if we are going to judge drivers on how they treated their wives or girlfriends (or both...), one could start taking down just about any wall of fame.
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There was a bit more to them splitting up of course... Plus if we are going to judge drivers on how they treated their wives or girlfriends (or both...), one could start taking down just about any wall of fame.
Posted 12 June 2011 - 15:39
Edited by Paul Hurdsfield, 12 June 2011 - 15:40.
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Edited by john aston, 14 June 2011 - 06:16.
Posted 14 June 2011 - 07:02
Main omission was a Roebuck or equivalent commenting that gifted and special as Senna was he invented dirty tactics in F1 and we are still reaping that legacy. Arent we Michael ? Would have liked some f3 and FF to complement the karting non F1 material.
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Posted 16 June 2011 - 06:30
Wish someone would make a good movie about Prost.
Frank
Posted 16 June 2011 - 07:15
I remember all the hoo-ha in 1990 when Senna tried unsuccessfully to switch the pole to the outside. I hadn't realised there had been something similar in 1989.The switching of the grid in Suzuka in 89. Was this done after Senna claimed pole?
Posted 16 June 2011 - 11:57
I think that would be more interesting especially done as a dramatised movie with actors showing his ups and downs within the teams.
We all talk about Senna's driving skills and less than perfect tactics on track but there's not much after that whereas Prost, Lauda, Hill, Jone's and a few others have far more story depth ....
Posted 16 June 2011 - 12:20
Posted 16 June 2011 - 13:16
-What a vindictive arrogant c#nt Balestre was!
Posted 16 June 2011 - 15:06
-What a vindictive arrogant c#nt Balestre was!
The only reason he looks good to a very small degree today is Max Mosley...Quelle surprise!?!? He was French....................
Posted 16 June 2011 - 15:42
I remember all the hoo-ha in 1990 when Senna tried unsuccessfully to switch the pole to the outside. I hadn't realised there had been something similar in 1989.
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Posted 16 June 2011 - 22:31
Nothing was changed. The pole for the GP at Suzuka had always been on the inside, and in 1989 this had helped Prost to beat Senna away from the start. After qualifying in 1990 Senna asked that the pole be switched to the outside, citing previous races where the driver on pole had been allowed to switch position. The request was turned down. Senna always maintained that JMB had influenced the organisers to turn down the request to give the advantage to Prost. The next year (1991) pole had been moved to the outside. However, as Senna had only qualified second he still started from the dirty side of the track ...What the film made me think was that it was changed that weekend to be that way thus disadvantaging Senna purposely.
Posted 17 June 2011 - 01:42
The next year (1991) pole had been moved to the outside. However, as Senna had only qualified second he still started from the dirty side of the track ...
Posted 17 June 2011 - 22:37
Edited by Giraffe, 18 June 2011 - 06:08.
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Edited by mfd, 18 June 2011 - 02:24.
Posted 18 June 2011 - 15:39
I had an interesting conversation with Sid Taylor about Ayrton Senna this afternoon as Sid ran him at Macao in 1983, the first year of F3 there and a race he won. Sid's overriding memories of Ayrton were the £450 phonebill that he ran up that weekend at which Teddy Yip (who was picking up the tab) hit the roof, and the fact that (allegedly, I am obliged to add) he was batting for the other team at that time. It's the first time I've ever heard that allegation, but Sid seemed surprised that I was unaware of it. As Sid was (in)famous for looking after his drivers (it was one of the fringe benifits of driving for him), I have to take him at his word. Somehow, it didn't come to me as a complete shock if indeed what Sid told me was true.
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Edited by Jack-the-Lad, 22 June 2011 - 02:56.
Posted 22 June 2011 - 03:00
Surprisingly, the film is not (yet) being shown in the Miami area where there are many Brazilians and many more Senna fans.
Jack.
Posted 22 June 2011 - 03:40
August 12 is the USA release date.
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Posted 22 June 2011 - 06:18
Are there sub-titles during the Portuguese interviews etc.??
Thanks,
Jeff.
Posted 22 June 2011 - 06:41
I took myself off to see the film today.
I am not sure that 'enjoyed' is quite the right word. It was an excellent production, that's for sure, but I came away feeling rather sad.
Not just because of what happened at the end - I sort of guessed what was coming..... But I was left with two strong feelings. One was that Ayrton should never have driven that day. We have heard all sorts of statements, through the years, saying that he wasn't himself that weekend, even before Rubens' and Roland's accidents. Easy to have 20/20 hindsight, but now I know this was true. He was clearly deeply troubled and as one of the Brazilian commentators remarked, he never saw a smile for the whole of the weekend. Even in his car before the start he looked as though, had somebody hauled him out of the cockpit, he really wouldn't have minded at all.
But even more than all that, I came away feeling that the whole era of F.1 that saw Senna's rise and eventual end was a disturbed, acrimonious and, well, just a very sad period in racing history. Give me the current 'circus' any day.
However, you MUST go and see this film. You owe it to yourself.
Posted 28 June 2011 - 13:52
I see that he tried, they showed him talk the steward.
Posted 28 June 2011 - 15:48
This was posted 27th June on the Motor Sport website - Nigel Roebuck's view (I think you'll need to register, if you haven't already, to view it)Main omission was a Roebuck or equivalent commenting that gifted and special as Senna was he invented dirty tactics in F1 - and we are still reaping that legacy...
Posted 28 June 2011 - 15:58
I must admit to being tremendously disappointed with the film,
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2. At Imola in 1994 it was widely reported that Senna when he was sat in the cockpit said ': 'I'd like to welcome back my friend Alain - we all miss you.' was this exchange with Prost who was there for Elf ever caught on film- i imagine it was considering Senna was addressing Prost directly. Has this footage ever surfaced, you would have thought it would have been ideal for the film and Prost himself has confirmed the exchange - I just think it would be really nice to see it. Anyone any info on this?
Posted 29 June 2011 - 08:06
Can you say why, James?
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Posted 29 June 2011 - 08:17