Has a GP Driver ever Bankrupted a team?
#1
Posted 29 September 2002 - 19:43
Just saw the USGP, and noticed that Kimmi R . didn;t finish again. In the sixties and seventies was there ever a driver who had so many accidents, engine failures etc. that he bankrupted or severely dented a teams' finances? Who was the "unluckiest" (?) driver during that era?
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#2
Posted 29 September 2002 - 19:56
One that springs to mind is Loris Kessel. Not that he bankrupted a team, but he managed to have the RAM Racing BT44s (?) impounded at Germany in 1976 as part of a dispute when he drove for John MacDonald earlier in the year. Does anyone else have details?
And Pedro Diniz' failure to take over Prost and consequent withdrawal of family funding could not have helped Alain much.
#3
Posted 29 September 2002 - 20:51
I can't find out what the 'legal actions' were all about.
Warren
#4
Posted 29 September 2002 - 21:15
Originally posted by ensign14
Andrea de Cesaris must have come close a few times...
And Vittorio Brambilla?
Of course, back in the fifties and sixties there wasn't much money in the game. Some teams would be missing races if an engine blew up in the one before, that sort of thing...
A driver with a lead foot could incur severe financial problems on one of those teams.
Didn't Trevor Taylor get pushed aside at Team Lotus because he was too accident prone too?
#5
Posted 29 September 2002 - 23:11
#6
Posted 29 September 2002 - 23:39
His team boss, though, sympathized with his ill luck ;)
#7
Posted 30 September 2002 - 01:20
Originally posted by scheivlak
Jack Brabham -WDC in 1966 and a strong runner-up in 1967- finished just one race in the entire season in 1968...
His team boss, though, sympathized with his ill luck ;)
Maybe, but the black looks were well in abundance on bothsides.
#8
Posted 30 September 2002 - 01:29
#9
Posted 30 September 2002 - 01:44
Originally posted by scheivlak
Jack Brabham -WDC in 1966 and a strong runner-up in 1967- finished just one race in the entire season in 1968...
His team boss, though, sympathized with his ill luck ;)
Oh be fair a lot of his and Rindts problems were due to the somewhat unreliable Repco Quad Cam.
#10
Posted 30 September 2002 - 01:46
#11
Posted 30 September 2002 - 03:07
Originally posted by Bernd
Oh be fair a lot of his and Rindts problems were due to the somewhat unreliable Repco Quad Cam.
According to Phil it wasn't an inherent engine problem...
He postulated that the engine really needed a separate lubrication system for the valve gear, and probably a different oil... and that the Gulf oil Jack used in Europe was different to the Ampol oil they used on the dyno and which gave no problems.
The fact that Matich (and later others...) had no problems suggests that he was right.
#12
Posted 30 September 2002 - 03:20
And the cost of all those brake pads must have been enormous.
#13
Posted 30 September 2002 - 03:40
#14
Posted 30 September 2002 - 05:35
#15
Posted 30 September 2002 - 06:37
...a very different story...
#16
Posted 30 September 2002 - 07:05
#17
Posted 30 September 2002 - 07:59
John Judd says that it was a vibration problem in the cam drive train and once they looked at the vibration damper on the cam gears on the DFV they found the answer!Originally posted by Ray Bell
According to Phil it wasn't an inherent engine problem...
He postulated that the engine really needed a separate lubrication system for the valve gear, and probably a different oil... and that the Gulf oil Jack used in Europe was different to the Ampol oil they used on the dyno and which gave no problems.
The fact that Matich (and later others...) had no problems suggests that he was right.
#18
Posted 30 September 2002 - 08:03
I would have thought Phil would have mentioned that, too... but then again, he wasn't too happy with John Judd being there at all.
#19
Posted 30 September 2002 - 09:07
And in '68?
...a very different story...
I don't think so. He finished second in 1968 as well.
#21
Posted 30 September 2002 - 18:36
If you consider BAR/Villeneuve now, it’s funny how the more things change, the more they remain the same.
#22
Posted 30 September 2002 - 18:45
DCN
#23
Posted 30 September 2002 - 19:13
#24
Posted 30 September 2002 - 20:37
Graham Hill must have a rather poor finish/cost ratio for 1967 with Lotus.And the cost of all those brake pads must have been enormous.
On this time, Brake pads ware free of charge from Ferrodo.
#25
Posted 30 September 2002 - 21:06
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Might a commend you to a study of Henri Pescarolo's Formula 1 and 2 record with the Frank Williams team? Crash, bang, thump, wallop - he was ringing-up the cash register at a rate which left even the great survivor many times close to tears...
And Peugeot have named a new model after him?
Good point, Beat... free items from the trade was an important part of the sport then. Today they can't pretend they don't have the money to pay for such things. Except for Minardi and Arrows, of course...
#26
Posted 01 October 2002 - 08:24
#27
Posted 02 October 2002 - 09:54
Or ain't that nostalgic enough