Drivers and sponsorship
#1
Posted 04 October 2002 - 18:29
I can't think of any racing drivers who have had the courage to turn down drives or the power to insist that their team turns down sponsorship from companies whose products they dissaprove of.
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#2
Posted 04 October 2002 - 20:28
#3
Posted 04 October 2002 - 20:36
When you've got factory Honda and Repsol money, saying no to tobacco (or other sponsors) isnt such a big deal. My secret dream is raise my own sponsorship and be successful enough in European OW racing to be able to tell Danny Sullivan and his Red Bull boy band search to go to hell, but thats not courgaeous because I would allready have someone elses money backing me.
I think it'd be really impressive if a driver had to like sit out or something because of his convictions
#4
Posted 05 October 2002 - 10:14
Originally posted by ensign14
Michele Alboreto had to leave Tyrrell to join Larrousse because of a sponsor clash.
It was Michele himself that took the decision, no-one forced him. He thought it in principle it was wrong to be personally backed by one manufacturor and driving in a car with livery of the other.
I believe Michele had Marlboro backing and Tyrrell got a Camel deal? Or was it Marlboro for Michele and Mild Seven for Tyrrel?
Anyway, I like this kind of straightness, but I also consider cigarettes nothing to be very ethical about....
#5
Posted 05 October 2002 - 11:51
Too many drivers, as Roger implies, have just taken the cash and let the purveyors of the world's finest addictive poisons rape our sport.
#6
Posted 05 October 2002 - 12:43
#7
Posted 05 October 2002 - 13:59
Originally posted by Tim Murray
It has always struck me as somewhat hypocritical for Frank Williams and Patrick Head, who are apparently very anti-smoking and gave poor old Rosberg a hard time over his weed-puffing habit, to then happily accept Barclays and Rothmans money (not forgetting Frank's Marlboro money in 1973).
Barclay was an Arrows sponsor, not Williams. However, Williams did have a year with Camel - perhaps that's what you were thinking of Tim?
#8
Posted 05 October 2002 - 14:06
#9
Posted 05 October 2002 - 14:25
Barclay sponsored Williams between 1988 - 1990.Originally posted by DNQ
I am almost 100% certain Barclay were an associate sponsor with Williams in either 1988 or 1989.
#10
Posted 05 October 2002 - 14:35
#11
Posted 05 October 2002 - 14:50
#12
Posted 05 October 2002 - 17:31
Originally posted by Ray Bell
Too many drivers, as Roger implies, have just taken the cash and let the purveyors of the world's finest addictive poisons rape our sport.
Ive allways found its individuals who mess up their lives. Whether by smoking, over eating, or driving whilst drunk, no one is at fault but yourself.
I have no problem with advertising legal products.
#13
Posted 05 October 2002 - 19:14
Originally posted by buddyt
it is early here and the coffee has not kicked in all the way.....but I remember something about Lemans in the mid nineties and Mario and his sons going to race a 962 together and something about Mr. Ron Hubble and his "religion" Dynantics book cause a stir with the Andretti's and they said no thanks.....will try to get more info when brain comes up to speed......
buddyt,
are you talking of "Dianetique", maybe? By 1987 they were sponsoring the Le Mans group C2 Spice driven by Gordon Spice himself & Fermín Vélez to 6th o/a and 1st in category.
Carles.
#14
Posted 05 October 2002 - 20:04
Well, Rossi is good enough and worth the effort to string up non-tobbacco sponsors if it is his demand... And it's IMHO commendable, even though I am passionate smoker- if he strongly objects to tobbacco (as most sportsmen nowdays do) not to take their money...
#15
Posted 05 October 2002 - 20:17
#16
Posted 05 October 2002 - 21:24
Originally posted by ensign14
I think 'Dianetique' was associated with Philippe de Henning, who shared the Spice/Velez car to a Le Mans class win. This also has something to do with Scientology (L Ron Hubbard's thing), the Travolta film about aliens which bombed was based on Scientology teaching (something about humans being an alien race which came to Earth 10,000 years ago).
Don't know about de Henning, but the book "Dianetics" is indeed by L Ron Hubbard of Scientology infamy and masquerades as a lifestyle system, capable of curing drug addiction, alcoholism etc etc. "Battlefield Earth" was the Travolta film, based on a doorstop-sized novel by Hubbard. Both were published in the UK by New Era Books, which is - surprise, surprise - ultimately owned by the Church of Scientology ....
#17
Posted 05 October 2002 - 21:38
#18
Posted 05 October 2002 - 21:47
Originally posted by buddyt
it is early here and the coffee has not kicked in all the way.....but I remember something about Lemans in the mid nineties and Mario and his sons going to race a 962 together and something about Mr. Ron Hubble and his "religion" Dynantics book cause a stir with the Andretti's and they said no thanks.....will try to get more info when brain comes up to speed......
That L Ron Hubbard film adaptation was voted worst film of the year - I bought it on DVD to see why its so bad but have'nt picked up enuff courage to watch it yet in case I get sucked into the mad looney religion. If I recall correctly the story surrounding the Andrettis was that during the one off end of season Group C vs IMSA race in Miamii in 1988 the Andrettis where renewing their occasional relationship with the Kremer team to drive a 962. The event organisers had placed Dianetics sponsorship with the Kremer brothers for their two car team - the Andrettis pere et fils in one car and George Fouche or Sarel van der Merwe in the other car partnering Volker Weidler. Anyway the crux of the matter is Mario refused to run in a car with Dianetics on the side so the Brothers took it off to keep em in the race. Marios not stoopid, didnt want himself associated with anything like Scientology.
#19
Posted 05 October 2002 - 22:07
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#20
Posted 06 October 2002 - 09:20
Albereto lost his deal with Tyrrell because Alesi came with Camel money. Marlboro paid Alb's salary so he went bye-bye. Oddly enough, Albereto lost his Marlboro money when he became "inactive" after the Tyrrell affair, then ended up driving for Camel at Larrouse.
On a few occasions, a sponsor will get burned so bad that they will SUE a driver, ie Mike Borkowski getting it from AT&T after "damaging" their reputation with on and off track incidents.
When Mansell ran for Williams in 1994, he was not allowed to wear any Elf or Renault identifaction on his helmet, visor, or suit. I remember Texaco inparticular not being very happy with his F1 adventures.
#21
Posted 08 October 2002 - 02:44
Originally posted by Wolf
I don't see how 'tobbacco rapes the sport', Ray... As Ross said, if the product is legal (which it, with age restrictions, is). Are You saying that this 'we'll take your money and not show your logos' on cars isn't hypocritical?
And why are they not showing their logos?
Because it's not legal, of course...
While at the back door they're planning to drop the countries who don't allow them to run the logos and take their races to third world countries where the public are ripe for introduction to higher levels of carcinogens.
You might think differently when the Belgian GP is a distant memory...
Rape is not a strong word in these circumstances.
#22
Posted 08 October 2002 - 03:10
Must I remind You how much money of almost every country's health plan comes from taxes on tobbacco? Costs of cancer treatment for smokers who do get it are way lower than the aforementioned taxes, so that's no argument either... Neither of those points concern me (neither pay taxes on tobbacco nor have a health plan), but there's no point in denying facts. Or do You think any govt would allow such hazardous passtime if their profit wasn't greater than the costs they suffered from those who die of it?
And, if we lose Spa it won't be because of tobbacco- since we have plenty of races with advertising ban already. If Spa gets dropped (once the criticval mass is reached), it will be just a case of Bernie making a point on the issue and therefore not dropping some of boring races with tobnacco ban (say Magny Course)... Do You really think it will be as bad as Nürburgring, Monza and many more great tracks falling prey to safety campaign?
#23
Posted 08 October 2002 - 04:21
Originally posted by Ray Bell
Because it's not legal, of course...
Only the advertising of, not the selling of. If anything the law saying you cant advert a legal product, is illegal
#24
Posted 08 October 2002 - 05:46
#25
Posted 08 October 2002 - 08:11
Whenever politicians get involved, forget logic and embrace hypocrisy, snouts in the trough &c. I wonder what the vested interests are behind Belgium's decision to pre-empt a ban. (Not attacking Belgium per se, I'm sure there are vested interests in other countries behind the decision NOT to pre-empt a ban.)
#26
Posted 08 October 2002 - 08:22
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Posted 08 October 2002 - 08:31
#28
Posted 08 October 2002 - 09:57
Yes, I said the advertising is illegal... I also said "the countries"... I only mentioned Belgium as the ultimate (as in ultimate circuit) example of what might be lost.
And don't kid yourselves, it will be the money angle that will cost us those races. The tobacco barons' money angle.
I also understand that in many countries there is a greater expenditure on smoking related disease than there is reaped in tobacco taxes.
#29
Posted 08 October 2002 - 10:17
#30
Posted 08 October 2002 - 12:38
No particular axe to grind, BTW - I'm an ex-smoker, but currently rely on the (legal) sale of tobacco for part of my income.
#31
Posted 08 October 2002 - 13:50
I dunno if thats courage or just greed
#32
Posted 10 October 2002 - 01:26
#33
Posted 11 October 2002 - 18:28