Not Gilby - so who and when ??
#1
Posted 02 December 2003 - 23:38
One is of a Brooklands race that includes a driver named Gilby, while the other 3 claim to be pictures of Gilby cars.
One is the beautiful picture of Keith Greene at the 'Ring, which appeared in Motor Sport recently. The other 2 are almost identical and are shown as Ian Raby, Gilby BRM #26, British G.P. 1963.
This is one of the 2 (courtesy of LAT Photographic)
Clearly, it IS Silverstone, but it looks like a Lotus 21 to me - so, who and when ????
Does anyone have any other Gilby pictures, please?
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#2
Posted 03 December 2003 - 02:49
No 26, Silverstone... could it be Brian Gubby at the 1965 British GP in a Lotus 24?
Gilby.. Gubby.. Typo :
Rob
#3
Posted 03 December 2003 - 03:13
That doesn't look like it's got a V8 at all...
#4
Posted 03 December 2003 - 06:29
#5
Posted 03 December 2003 - 06:57
Originally posted by conjohn
Sheldon has him running a Climax FWMV V8.
Well, that pic looks very much like it's a 4-cylinder with a big exhaust on the right hand side... and no sign of any inlet trumpets on the top... not that you'd see them, perhaps, but the engine cover of the V8-powered Lotuses did rise up at each side behind the drivers' shoulders.
#6
Posted 03 December 2003 - 08:44
#7
Posted 03 December 2003 - 09:38
When I first looked at the nose I thought "Kincraft", but the well-filled grandstands would suggest that this was a major meeting, rather than a clubbie.
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Posted 03 December 2003 - 09:38
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Posted 03 December 2003 - 09:40
#10
Posted 03 December 2003 - 13:39
#11
Posted 03 December 2003 - 14:34
I don't think so. It's got a badge on the nose just above the radiator opening. I don't think Vanwall ever had a badge they relied on the signwriting. A coiple of years back, when someone produced a series of automobilia (can't remember if it was scarfs, ashtrays, coffee mugs, or what) they had to invent a Vanwall badge. And the rear-engined Vanwall was more of a whale!Originally posted by RJH
Intercontinental Vanwall at Silverstone 1961 perhaps?
#12
Posted 03 December 2003 - 14:37
Originally posted by Rob29
How about Philip Robinson Lotus 18/21 #904 Climax 4 at International Trophy 11 May 1963?
Rob's absolutely right I believe - definitely NOT a V8, the radiator inlet shape is precisely right for a standard Lotus 18/21 conversion and most decidedly it is NOT the Vanwall 'Whale' - here's to you Mr Robinson...the Gilby????
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#13
Posted 03 December 2003 - 14:45
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Posted 03 December 2003 - 16:06
#15
Posted 03 December 2003 - 19:52
Originally posted by Ray Bell
And you can actually see the format of the rear suspension with its driveshaft cum top links...
Most 18/21s had top links to relieve the drive shafts from this burden. I think this one does too.
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Posted 03 December 2003 - 20:02
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Posted 03 December 2003 - 20:12
#18
Posted 03 December 2003 - 20:28
#19
Posted 03 December 2003 - 20:41
Originally posted by Geoff E
Is this relevant?
Well that's certainly nowt like a Lotus 21......
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#20
Posted 03 December 2003 - 21:50
#21
Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:02
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#22
Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:21
Originally posted by Roger Clark
Most 18/21s had top links to relieve the drive shafts from this burden. I think this one does too.
Are you sure?
It's pretty hard to tell... but I think you can see the anti-roll bar clearly enough... if there's a top link it's hidden by the trailing arm.
Certainly, the extremely low position of the bottom wishbone is as per the 18s...
#23
Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:21
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Let's stop faffin' about with dopey alternative suggestions - it's the 1963 International Trophy, Robinson, Lotus 18/21.
DCN
I only wanted to know what the Emeryson looked like
And I was just building up to posting my irrelevant collection of Brian Gubby photos, too.
#24
Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:25
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#25
Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:31
Originally posted by Doug Nye
Nay lad - don't take on so - I wasn't tekkin' a pop at thee...
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eee Doug...th'could fit in well at tut northern TNF do...
#26
Posted 03 December 2003 - 22:44
I was always certain that it was a Lotus 21 (or rebodied 18) but not having access to programmes or Sheldon, I could not pinpoint year or driver.
Rob - thank you for the Gilby pictures. All I need now is a rear view (of the Gilby!!!)
BTW, everyone, Mr. Beard may live in the depths of darkest Lancashire but his roots are somewhat further south!
I guess my slot-car Gilby may be the only one in existence (when I finally make it!)
#27
Posted 04 December 2003 - 09:06
#28
Posted 06 December 2003 - 10:22
Originally posted by Barry Boor
...All I need now is a rear view ....
Photos copyright The GP Library -
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#29
Posted 06 December 2003 - 18:55
Doug - many many thanks. What would we do without you????
#30
Posted 06 December 2003 - 19:48
#31
Posted 07 December 2003 - 05:02
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????? Do you think the lap scores ever missed what number is was each time it passed
I don't think sooooooooo.
#32
Posted 07 December 2003 - 08:24
Originally posted by D-Type
Was the Gilby-BRM a rebuild of The Gilby-Climax or was it a completely new car? The "shark" nose in the pictures of both cars looks very similar.
It was a new car, although of similar design.
#33
Posted 10 January 2004 - 09:36
Due to its funny nose and unusual change of curvature around the cockpit area, this proved to be one of the more difficult cars I have yet built - still, it's only for me so it doesn't really matter....
Thanks to everyone who helped make the construction of this car possible.
P.S. .....it looks better in the plastic - so to speak.
#34
Posted 10 January 2004 - 09:38
#35
Posted 10 January 2004 - 14:42
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#36
Posted 10 January 2004 - 21:11
Barry,Originally posted by Barry Boor
- still, it's only for me so it doesn't really matter....
If it looks right it is right!
Good luck with the Emeryson/ENB/Scirocco
#37
Posted 09 March 2004 - 17:06
since 1976 and in good racing health; i think that ian BAX own the climax formula 1 , he found her in the 80's while sand racing on jersey or somewhere. have a look at the gilby 2 seater:
www.ifrance.com/gilby/cadre1.htm
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Posted 04 April 2004 - 03:45
#39
Posted 04 April 2004 - 06:01
Don't suppose you remember which one?
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#40
Posted 04 April 2004 - 07:46