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Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7 - Production

Started by Rainer Nyberg , Nov 18 2004 20:13

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#1 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 18 November 2004 - 20:13

Maybe somebody has access to the correct figures? Googling (as often), only gives confusing numbers.

The only consensus seems to be a total of 1580 units (9113600011 – 9113601590)

The number for the various versions differs somewhat...

"Touring" (M472) 1319 or 1308?
"Sport" (M471) 200, 204 or 217?
RSR Group 4 (M491) 57 or 55?

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#2 P 4 Staff

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Posted 19 November 2004 - 18:15

Rainer.

According to the book: The Porsche book by:Lothar Boschen and Jürgen Barth:

1973 2.7 litre Coupe´ RS 911 360 0001 - 911 360 1036.

Should be 1036 produced.

Best: Staff.

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#3 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 06:50

Thanks for your input, P 4 Staff.

(Even if it further adds to the confusion)

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#4 conjohn

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 09:40

John Starkey's book on the racing Porsche 911s - 'From R to GT3R' - has a list of all the cars produced, giving the chassis number - engine number - transmission number - country - color - conversion - model equipment - date sold. For some there are also some race results given.

It starts with 911 360 0011 (M471 to Porsche) and goes up to 911 360 01590 (M472 to Klaus Russling for rallying), with the addition of 911 330 0781 - a 911S built up as an 2.7RS Carrera.

Do you have this book, Rainer, or do you want me to count 'em up?

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#5 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 20 November 2004 - 21:00

Conjohn, No, I don't have that one....not yet at least...
I have Paul Frère's book from the 1970s on this subject.

Thanks for the offer, I think classicscars.com also has all the cars listed, I just may try a manual count....

Checked at Millhouse...found two John Starkey books om the same subject...any opinions?

And also another book, the first mentioned below, seems like a quite pricey thing?

Carrera RS
Author: Gruber & Konradsheim
255-page story of the Porsche 911 Carrera RS cars of 1972 and 1973. Reprinted. New lower price.
£139.00

From R to GT3R - The Racing Porsche 911&930
Author: John Starkey
Large illustrated history, following on from R To RSR: The Racing Porsches and documenting the Porsche 911 in racing from 1964-2003. Appendix features individual chassis histories of all the Rs, RSs, RSRs, 934s and 935s. 700 pages, 300 b/w and colour illustrations. Due December.
£50.00

Porsche 911 R-RS-RSR
Author: John Starkey
New expanded edition gives the complete story of the 911R, RS and RSR models from inception to racing record and with a completely revised chassis database, including the listings of 1584 1973 RS 1973 RS 2.7 models (excluded from previous editions). 240 pages, over 200 colour and b/w photos. Now due 2001.
£50.00

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#6 conjohn

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 19:44

Going by the description of the R-RS-RSR book, I would say that the R-GT3R book is an updated, and vastly expanded, version of it. It also appears that it grew by 200 pages, as the copy I bought from Foyles this summer runs to 900 pages, 550 of which are appendicies...

Having just looked at classicscars.com, I see that they don't differentiate between the different versions, so I might just do that count anyway.... especially as they are 'promising' us snow storms for the coming days...

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#7 conjohn

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 21:05

Having counted them - twice - I get the following numbers:

M471 - 203
M472 - 1317
M491 - 55

and then there are 5 without a designation, giving a total of 1580, which, apart from 55 M491, is the only figure that correspond to something that Rainer has...

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#8 Rainer Nyberg

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 21:51

Conjohn, thanks for your effort (Tack för hjälpen!)... :up:

I will settle for your count, on the information from the Starkey book (but I guess Jürgen Barth should have had trustworthy figures also, maybe it is a matter of definition).

Btw, does the book say how much of the production remains today and is current?

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#9 T54

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 22:28

Regardless of how many were made, I was lucky to own 3 of these marvelous machines in time and they were the most exhilarating and fun cars I ever owned. The perfect sports car.

T54 :up:

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#10 conjohn

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 17:41

Originally posted by Rainer Nyberg
Conjohn, thanks for your effort (Tack för hjälpen!)...

I will settle for your count, on the information from the Starkey book (but I guess Jürgen Barth should have had trustworthy figures also, maybe it is a matter of definition).

Btw, does the book say how much of the production remains today and is current?

You're welcome (Ingen orsak), Rainer.

There are some notes on the (then - 2003) present whereabouts of a few chassis, but not much else on the modern aspect of them.

In the chapter on the RS 2.7 there is this ambigious quote:

"Eventually, 1590 RS 2.7's were built and sold (not including the first ten prototypes), making it one of Porsche's greatest sales successes, particularly a a semi-stripped competition car! The last RS Carrera was built in July 1973."

This makes sense only if the 'not including' refers only to the 'sold' part and not also to the 'built' part, otherwise I make that an even 1600... but even if so, the figure is bumped up to 1590... which makes sense looking at the chassis number sequence...

The 1036, Barth's last, a M472, was built in early April 1973 but I can't see any obvious reason as to why this should be considered as the last of the line...

Philippe, do you happen to recall the chassis numbers....??? :rotfl:

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#11 T54

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 17:55

I have them some place in my old papers... I sold the last of the three in 1992 before thay put me away for good. I drive more discreete cars nowadays.
Here is one of them, my fave...

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I'll get the VIN's for you.
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#12 T54

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 22:31

I looked, but apparently I did not even keep the file and gave it all to the buyers.
That's pretty dumb of me but I was a lot less organized then...

Well, they are all 911360, but after that... can't remember : ??? They sure graced a lot of magazines, I even had my favorite in Road & Track and they had to cheat on the acceleration and skidpad numbers because it made the other car they were testing, a supposed lightweight 1988 car, pale in comparison. So they used old numbers from 1973... on Pirelli CN36's which are the worst skins I have ever driven on. My cars all had 15" Kleber "R" hand cut, they stuck like glue.
T54 :cat:

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#13 conjohn

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Posted 24 November 2004 - 20:14

No sweat, Philippe, it was meant as a joke... :lol:

I hope I didn't give you to much fruitless work...

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#14 T54

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Posted 24 November 2004 - 20:23

My sense of humor needs to be re-honed in my old days...
I was genuinely in love with the RS. I remember a certain trip from Tustin to Monterey one year to go to the IMSA races, in 4.5 hours and using the PCH. I guess I would go to jail today for this...

What a marvelous car it was. My wife would not speak to me for 3 days.
Best regards,

T54

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#15 Ruairidh

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Posted 24 November 2004 - 20:49

Originally posted by T54

I was genuinely in love with the RS. I remember a certain trip from Tustin to Monterey one year to go to the IMSA races, in 4.5 hours and using the PCH. I guess I would go to jail today for this...
What a marvelous car it was. My wife would not speak to me for 3 days.
Best regards,

T54

Wonderful cars - a trip in one of those from Durham to Loch Awe altered my allegiance from British sportscars to 911s, which has lasted to this day.

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#16 conjohn

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Posted 25 November 2004 - 18:31

Originally posted by T54
My sense of humor needs to be re-honed in my old days...

If I in any way have offended you, I offer you my sincerest apology. The 'joke' wasn't directed at you, or Porsche, but rather at those in this forum, myself included, who are obsessed with chassis numbers...

The closest I have ever come to own a Porsche, of any kind, was when I bought tickets for the IMRRC raffle of an 911SC, so envy may also have played a part...

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#17 T54

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Posted 25 November 2004 - 18:53

Have no fear, I am not one of those "modern" persons who gets offended at the first pun. I am from an older generation which appreciated a good sense of humor.

I am sorry that you could not get hold of one of these marvellous cars. At one time they were dirt-cheap. I purchased my first in 1978 from a French acquaintance for a paltry $12K. After years of utter bliss, I am not going to tell you how much it brought in 1989. :cool:

But I still regret it. Nowadays, I have to drive something a bit more discreete to escape Big Brother's watchful eye, and no, it's not this one:

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Kind regards,

T54 :wave:

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#18 Ruairidh

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Posted 25 November 2004 - 22:12

Originally posted by T54

I am sorry that you could not get hold of one of these marvellous cars. At one time they were dirt-cheap. I purchased my first in 1978 from a French acquaintance for a paltry $12K.

Those were the days!