Which were the most beautiful & ugliest F1/GP cars?
#1
Posted 31 March 2005 - 11:38
Well, this year, I was pretty convinced that Bernie and Co. had successfully managed a set of rules that would ensure that all F1 cars looked like they came out of the same cookie-cutter. But boy, was I wrong!
Qualifying in Melbourne, and what do we see? Beautifully sculpted side pods segueing into a profusion of winglets. Pardon me, but didn't everyone and their grandmoms climb all over the poor Arrows team a few years ago in Monaco for two innocent winglets on their side pods?
And hello? Has Kimi finally managed to convince his aero guys to pay tribute to those brave Norsemen of yore? Well, that air-box mounted McLaren mid wing does bear an uncanny resemblance to a Viking helmet.
All this careful scrutiny of the pics from Melbourne got me thinking. What if we were to look at all the cars in F1 starting with the seventies, and do a beauty and beast rating? Wicked!
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#2
Posted 31 March 2005 - 12:12
I'm going to break your rules and offer the Ferguson 4WD F1 car as the ugliest of all time.
#3
Posted 31 March 2005 - 12:13
That rules out the two most attractive F1 cars ever - the 1968 Eagle and the 1961 Lotus 21. And the two versions of the 1954-55 Mercedes W196 - surely beauty and the beast?
And why limit it to Formula 1?
From pre-Formula 1 we have the 1920's Voisin. Surely the ugliest ever. What about the Miller 91. One of the prettiest ever. (Yes in addition to Indianapolis and other US races it did run in Grands Prix)
And from Indianapolis we have countless lovely cars and some absolute dogs!
#4
Posted 31 March 2005 - 12:37
I am not so knowledgeable about non-F1 cars. However, thanks for the info. Let me do some reasearch online and see the bueaties and the dogs.
#6
Posted 31 March 2005 - 18:05
#7
Posted 31 March 2005 - 18:09
Ugly: Ferrari 312 B3 "Spazzaneve"
#8
Posted 31 March 2005 - 18:17
#9
Posted 31 March 2005 - 18:23
Originally posted by Reyna
Beautiful: Wolf WR1 and McLaren M9A.
Ugly: Ferrari 312 B3 "Spazzaneve"
I totally agree w.r.t. the Ugly Bug that was the 312 B3
However I personally would not put either the Wolf WR1 or the McLaren M9A in my list of Beautiful F1 cars.
My Beauties would have to be from the 70s
1) Lotus 79
2) Ferrari 312 T2
3) BRM P153
4) Brabham BT44
#10
Posted 31 March 2005 - 18:46
#11
Posted 31 March 2005 - 18:56
#12
Posted 31 March 2005 - 19:01
Mark
#13
Posted 31 March 2005 - 19:07
Since 1970...Lotus 79.
Ugliest ever was the March 711.
#14
Posted 31 March 2005 - 19:45
Cars is cars. Some are beautiful, some pug-ugly. Really.
But how about drivers?
Who was—or is—the most beautiful racing driver, any continent, any category, any sex?
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Frank S
No, I'm not ashamed.
#15
Posted 31 March 2005 - 19:48
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Posted 31 March 2005 - 19:51
#17
Posted 31 March 2005 - 19:52
#18
Posted 31 March 2005 - 20:25
#19
Posted 31 March 2005 - 21:27
Rather like the 'one man's meat...' philosophy, isn't it!
Personally, I can almost sub-catagorise designs into 'beauties' and 'horny'.
The Ford F3L has - to my mind - got to be one of the finest shapes ever to have wheels underneath it. Porsche 917s are there too...
The last F1 car which has an almost timeless attraction, for me, is the Jordan 191.
But, hey - there are so many more I could site as 'horny'!
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#20
Posted 31 March 2005 - 21:50
Originally posted by Twin Window
The last F1 car which has an almost timeless attraction, for me, is the Jordan 191.
Dammit beaten again....The last really good looking F1 car, mind you I love the McLaren's paint job these days. The Jordan was even better prepainted as seen in Autosport.
Lotus 72 obviously, pretty much anything with a Parmelat paint job as well (except the liedown Brabham)
Ugly?
Teapot Ligier
Eifelland
6 wheeled Tyrell, sorry but it was..
#21
Posted 31 March 2005 - 22:03
Honestly, I don't know where to start on either count! Something else which is an intrinsic element for me is the sound of the machinery... A good example would be the Matra MS120 series, which admittedly weren't 'lookers' but - and I defy anyone to argue against this - they were one of THE horniest-sounding racing cars ever.
#22
Posted 31 March 2005 - 22:22
Lotus Types 92/93T as the ugliest (although a bunch of the early '70s shed cars like the Lyncar, Token or Amon come close).
P.S. jcbc3 - I like your avatar!!!
#23
Posted 31 March 2005 - 22:33
As for '70-ies cars, I also more or less share the opinion. However, March 711 holds some strange appeal, in a way similar to his 'grand-dad' Vanwall. Yet, some of the '70ies cars are strangely/freakishly beautiful (BT44 in its original guise, Arrows A2, early Tyrells, &c).
#24
Posted 31 March 2005 - 23:19
It appears to me that the era where one first fell in love with racing has a considerable impact on how one judges the the appearance of the cars. As with driver talent, it is, IMO, basically an exercise in futility to compare across eras.
And what is beauty? Must asthetics be graceful, ballarina like, or can they be simple, brutal, practical elegance and still appeal?
Would it, from a racer's perspective, not suffice to say that the beatiful cars are the cars that won races, and the ugly ones the cars that did not win races?
Many 'go-faster' bits that actually worked have throughout history not bestowed the lucky car to receive them with added beauty - on the contrary. Are fat tyres pretty? Hardly. Are wings? Nope. DO they appeal to a lot of people? Yes. They look 'racey'.
Then again, maybe it isn't that simple. Maybe motor racing is, to me at least, about more than winning (which probably goes a long way to explain why I would never be considered a racer) - it is also a spectacular endeavor with appeal to all the senses. And let's face an ugly truth - funding of motor sports also depends on its ability to entertain - even if shaped ugly, racing cars are still expected to be well-presented, unless we're looking at demolition derby bangers or such like. Current US dirt-track cars with their mix of old and new, asymmetry and monster ugly wings are aesthetic disasters, but still appeal in some pervese way - and they tend to be very well presented, too (before the race, anyway).
Sticking to open-wheelers:
Aesthetically, I find the the macho brutes of the pre-WW I era appealing; the Duesenbergs and Millers of the Indy era prior to the 'Junk Formula' era I find just soooo pretty; the Mercedes and Bugattis, Auto-Union (C-Type) of the thirties combine functionality with aesthetic appeal from different approaches; the Scarab, Dino 246 and Lotus 16 were each the icing on the old front engined cake in different ways; the original Lotus 25 (skinny 15" wheels, type 21 screen, needle nose, faired-in tail) is to me the prettiest racing car of any period; the BRM P261 not far off; the otherwise rather bulky Eagle scores by its presentation, the looks of its engine and exhausts, and that 'beak' detail; the Lotus 56 was perhaps the cleanest, basic shape to race; the 72 inherited the format for F1; the BRM P160 showed that gentle curves and straight lines could still be combined beautifully; 312T and BT44 confirmed it; Lotus 79 integrated function and shape in a homegenenous way not seen since the 56; BT49 did it again in Murray's strict but elegant geometrical style; BT52 did the same, but with better proportions; Jordan 191 just happened to get everything right with what was available at the time.
My list of ugly racing cars cars is by far the longer one, but for some reason I find a lot of the really ugly ones just as appealing, maybe because a lot of them are just different or original; this pretty much applies to all 1970's cars - and then there are those that I just feel indifferent about: For instance, the 250F: Classic slipper shape, yes, but it just seems too bulky relative to its wheels, and all those louvers look like a rash; M19 is similar in concept to the P160, but somehow gets both proportions and details wrong - to me, it just looks bloated. And so on.
The slipper shape up to and including the 1950s has its own intrinsic beauty, the cigar shape og the 1960s even more so (if one forgives the shape its propensity to generate lift at speed) - the 1960's cigar shape was just so clean and neat. The 1970s were characterized by variation and originality - few were pretty, most were an aesthetic mess but virtually all were interesting visually. For a short while ground effects and its after effects brought some elegeant simplicity back, soon to fall by the bargeboard, winglets and, IMHO, the worst design eye sore of all: The raised nose with underslung front wing. I may be an old f@rt, but I just can't find any way to enjoy the looks of the current cars. Spectacularly beautiful composite compound curvature shapes and exquisite workmanship, yes, but overall aesthetic appeal? Sorry, I just can't see it. I find the Tecno PA123 less ugly than any current F1 car, what with all the fins and protrusions and bits of the current F1 car making it look like some monster that has escaped from the deep seas...
Rant over.
PS: Maybe one of the reasons the Tecno appeals to me was its sound: It was just such a LOUD and metallic wail. Sat opposite the pits at Zolder in 73 (when Amon scored his point!), everyone's hands would come up to cover their ears shortly before Chris was expected to appear...and in Sweden in 1977 you could audibly follow Lafferty's Matra engine all around the track over the din of everyone else. Absolutely spine-tingling. Like Twinny said - 'Horny'.
#25
Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:17
#26
Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:19
Next up is another of my favourites, the Tamiya 1/12 Ferrari 641.. beautiful car and superb model..
My old man loves the 72 and 49, but he saw the McLaren sitting on my desk and commented on how "good looking Grand Prix cars looked back then" and lammented on the butt ugly cars of today... the funny things is, "back then" when that McLaren was running, dad always whinged about how "butt ugly" they were!!
#27
Posted 01 April 2005 - 01:38
I think the first one that really GOT me was the late '40s-1951 Talbot GP. The big wheels/tires, interesting air intake, big curvy outside exhaust pipes and the big headrest and pointy tail- God, that was a bitchin' looking RACE CAR!
The T59 Bug, unsuccessful though it was, was probably the most esthetically pleasing of
Gurney's Eagles in '67/68 are my favorites of
I guess it's what you see when you come out of the egg.
Anton
#29
Posted 01 April 2005 - 03:07
Here are some similar/related earlier TNF threads you may find interesting:
Favourite Car
Okay, your favourite/least favourite cars
Favorite race car,engine and driver
Ugly modern F1
Your three most beautiful racing or sports cars from the '60s and '70s
Most beautiful Ferrari
What a racing car should not look like...
David.
#30
Posted 01 April 2005 - 04:39
One i didnt like - the 78 williams fw06, with the square mesh thing in the nose cone...
honurable mention to 97 jordan 197 for good looks.
#31
Posted 01 April 2005 - 07:34
So - that more or less counts out most F1 cars from the 70s onwards. At this time, cars started to look "interesting" rather than beautiful, although some of these "interesting" cars were more pleasing to the eye than others. I'll say that all Tyrrells up to the 007 were ugly sods, very effective racing cars but complete dogs in the looks department - such a clash of curves and angles. I thought the March 711 was a joke when I first saw it, but then I learned about Frank Costin and changed my opinions. BRM got it right - the P153 and P160 were truly lovely, the P201 was one of the better looking "interesting" cars. And if we are allowed to go down a Formula or two, clock the Chevron B18. No wonder they didn't sell many - it must have frightened the customers away.
I couldn't say which is my favourite of all time - it's like trying to nominate my favourite album, my opinion changes with my mood. But I do have a soft spot for the BRM P25 in its original form - so neat.
#32
Posted 01 April 2005 - 11:08
and Lauda's final championship winning MP4/whatever it was.
#33
Posted 01 April 2005 - 13:21
http://www.f1technic...eodoreTY01.html
Always been a non-favourite of mine....
#34
Posted 01 April 2005 - 13:27
The March 711 tea tray was gorgeous, and I really liked the Amon F101, and the Ligier teapot, whilst unusual was a magnificently individual car with a great paint job (and not bad out of the box either), I loved the Spazzenova Ferrari and the MN01 Ensign.
The Hill Lolas were pretty ugly, the (old) ATS, Merzario, Hesketh 308a, Cooper Maserati or any car specially modified for Monaco, all Benettons - pretty much any F1 car made after the first Jordan and Alesi's Tyrell were pig ugly to me. The high fronts low wing is aestetically offensive, as are those silly cars with anarrow track grooved tyres.
They are just an abomination of regulations, not the free spirited and wonderful shapes we used to see. Or am I just old?
#35
Posted 01 April 2005 - 13:30
Originally posted by petefenelon
The good old Theodore TY-01....
http://www.f1technic...eodoreTY01.html
Always been a non-favourite of mine....
A gem (not), but gorgeous when compared with the 1979 Ensign - can't remember the type number, but you know the one I mean - the one with the radiators running from the front of the nosecone to the top of the cockpit.
#36
Posted 01 April 2005 - 14:10
#37
Posted 01 April 2005 - 14:15
#38
Posted 01 April 2005 - 15:30
Anyone got any good new threads ?????????????
#39
Posted 01 April 2005 - 15:59
Dont think there is such thing as a beast, because each car has connotations with a unique history, giving it character. Having said that, post 1992 cars hold very little visual interest to me.
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#40
Posted 01 April 2005 - 16:21
But there are quite a few cars where the colour scheme is part of the attraction/repulsion.....Motor Sport did an article on that recently, slanted towards sponsors' schemes.
Some cars looked just plain good/bad whatever colour/sponsor scheme they were in, others were dependent on the scheme - discuss!
Would the Eagle-Weslake have been as in BRG or red?
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Paul M
#41
Posted 01 April 2005 - 16:56
#43
Posted 01 April 2005 - 17:10
Well, if you go for royal blue as your main colour, you can't really go wrong.Originally posted by Macca
Would the Eagle-Weslake have been as in BRG or red?
#44
Posted 01 April 2005 - 17:23
Paul M
#45
Posted 01 April 2005 - 18:25
Well, if you go for royal blue as your main colour, you can't really go wrong.
Spot on, Ens.
#46
Posted 01 April 2005 - 19:53
#47
Posted 01 April 2005 - 20:06
#48
Posted 01 April 2005 - 20:34
See, that's where Premier GP went wrong.
#49
Posted 02 April 2005 - 01:19
Originally posted by man
Dont think there is such thing as a beast, because each car has connotations with a unique history, giving it character. Having said that, post 1992 cars hold very little visual interest to me.
nah, thats way too PC for me. There have been some pig-ugly cars - connotations be darned.
But it does raise an interesting side point - which cars were designed to be ugly?
DCN in Theme Lotus captions a picture of the "Buxom Beauty" 91 with the comment that the 91 was "so attractive in its rolled edges and gentle curves that Colin Chapman seemed rather put out by it all and insisted upon a more razor-edged and ugly form in the subsequent 92/93T cars...."
Any others come to mind? Ron Tauranac's cars from 1970 on perhaps?
#50
Posted 02 April 2005 - 05:32