Matra MS5 & MS7
#1
Posted 20 October 2004 - 12:39
The Ms 7 appears only latter in the season in F2 and F1.
Why some sources other than french wrote an Ms 6 and Ms 7 for 1967 events ?
What it for making difference between 1000 cc engine and 1600 cc ?
Robert
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#2
Posted 20 October 2004 - 14:42
Originally posted by VDP
After reading lot of old sport auto, Matra entered for the 1966 and 1967 season Matra Ms 5 as well in F3 F2 events .
The Ms 7 appears only latter in the season in F2 and F1.
Why some sources other than french wrote an Ms 6 and Ms 7 for 1967 events ?
What it for making difference between 1000 cc engine and 1600 cc ?
Robert
from matra le saga by Jose rosinski
There were 15 Marta MS5/6 built, the MS 6 was identical to the MS5 and the F2 car. The MS5 was equiped with Ford and the MS 6 carried the BRM or Cosworth engine.
#3
Posted 20 October 2004 - 17:58
What surprise me it s Rosinski was test driver for sport auto in those years.
Is it labelled afterwoods ?
MS 5 FORD 1000 cc and FORD 1600cc
MS 6 BRM 1000cc and ??
MS 7 FORD 1600 cc late 67 model
Robert
#4
Posted 22 October 2004 - 04:02
PS Matra Sports was the 'factory' Matra effort while Matra International was the what the Tyrrell Organization Team converted to when they entered F1 with Matra.
#5
Posted 06 November 2004 - 11:03
According to the french sport auto magazine Ken tyrrell intended to enter 2 Formula 2 and one
Formula 3 ?
Robert
#6
Posted 07 November 2004 - 00:36
F3 Builds
Year Number Type Category
1965 4 Matra MS1 F3
1966 6 Matra MS5 F3
1967 3 Matra MS6 F3
F3 Private Owners
Jean-Pierre Jabouille
"Geki" (Giacomo Rossi)
Jean-Claude Guenard
Philippe Vidal
Hervé Bayard
Adam Potocki
Hervé Bayard
Max Bonin
The following is not exhaustive but gives you an idea. The Tyrrell and Coombs teams were closely associated with the factory effort.
F2 Teams
Matra Sports
Jo Schlesser (1966)
Jean-Pierre Beltoise (1966 and 1967)
Johnny Servoz-Gavin (1967)
Ford France
Jo Schlesser (1967)
John Coombs (1966 only)
Graham Hill
Tyrrell Racing Organization
Jackie Stewart (1966 and 1967)
Jacky Ickx (1966 and 1967 also entered in a F3 Matra during 1966)
John Surtees (limited in 1966)
#7
Posted 07 November 2004 - 07:19
you forget P.RODRIGUEZ (one time ) for the works:
Pedro drove also for the works in sports prototypes .
Jo SCLESSER 's car was an FORD FRANCE entry.
#8
Posted 07 November 2004 - 08:43
What is written is OKOriginally posted by gerard BARATHIEU
Good, but for G.HILL it was the JOHN COOMBS 's car.
you forget P.RODRIGUEZ (one time ) for the works:
Pedro drove also for the works in sports prototypes .
Jo SCLESSER 's car was an FORD FRANCE entry.
Schlesser 1966 works and 1967 Ford France!
#9
Posted 07 November 2004 - 09:30
It was the same "coque".
Also in International scene you have M.SPENCE in a TYRRELL entry, John FENNING (F3/TYRRELL)
L.SCARFIOTTI (once),H.HAHNE (TYRRELL),.
#10
Posted 08 November 2004 - 16:13
Ms 5/ 4 Matra Sports
Ms 5/ 10 Ford France
Ms 5/ 11 Matra International
Ms 5/ 15 Matra Sports
Ms 7/ 1 Matra Sports
Ms 7/ 2
mmmS 7
#11
Posted 08 November 2004 - 22:44
I have an official MATRA Sport prospectus from 1969, covering cars (with drawings and cut-away drawings) and results between 1964-69. There is not mentioned any M.S.6 at all, just M.S.1-M.S.5 and M.S.7
Michal
#12
Posted 21 November 2004 - 05:50
On my previous entry, I admit I didn't specify every driver. Sorry. In F3, the drivers were:
1965
FACTORY: Jean-Pierre Beltoise, Jean-Pierre Jaussaud, Eric Offenstadt.
1966
FACTORY: Jean-Pierre Beltoise, Jean-Pierre Jaussaud, Henri Pescarolo, Johnny Servoz-Gavin
TYRRELL RACING ORGANIZATION: John Fenning, Jacky Ickx (Ickx actually drove in F2 before F3 I think)
1967
FACTORY: Jean-Pierre Beltoise, Jean-Pierre Jabouille(?), Jean-Pierre Jaussaud(?), Henri Pescarolo, Johnny Servoz-Gavin
PRIVATE OWNERS: "Geki", Jean-Claude Guenard, Philippe Vidal
1968
PRIVATE OWNERS: Hervé Bayard, Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Adam Potocki.
1969
PRIVATE OWNERS: Hervé Bayard, Max Bonin
#13
Posted 17 December 2004 - 18:38
MS1 - Spaceframe car built December 1964 as F3 test-bed. Tested in April 1965.
MS2 - Development of MS1 1965 F3 works team - Eric Offenstadt, Jen-Pierre Beltoise and Henri Pescarolo
MS3 - Long wheel base F2 Projecy. Car was run in F3.
MS4 - Prototype Sports Car - Two built in 1966 using BRM 2.0 V8 engine and BRM gearbox.
MS5 - 1965 Monocoque F3 car - ONLY one car built. Raced by Adam Potocki.
MS6 - 1967 F2/F3 car - Production version of MS5
MS7 - 1967/68 F2 car
MS8 - 1968 Group 6 Sports car also known as Type 630. Initially used 4.7 Ford V8 then switched to 3.0 Matra V12
MS9 - Built late 1967 as Prototype F1 car using Cosworth DFV. Ran early season with JYS driving.
MS10 - 1968 F1 car built using Cosworth DFV and driven by JYS, Johnny Servoz-Gavin etc
MS11 - 1968 F1 car built using Matra V12 and driven by Jean-Pierre Beltoise and Henri Pescarolo
Hope that helps!