Well known Porsche racing driver, but what did he before. The only thing I know that he drove an german entered Alfa Romeo at Spa in 1968 partnered with Hans Dieter Dütsi en J. Von Kerckerinck.
By the way the 2 others drivers any info also.
Robert
Clemens Schickentanz
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 11:03
The Spa entry is the first one I have of him as well, but he might have driven in German national championship races.
1969 Alfa GTA in Zandvoort ETCC; 1970 Porsche 911 and Koepchen BMW 2002 in Germany. Then some drives in the awesome AMG Mercedes and the Porsche years. Later he drove for AMG the Mercedes 450 SLC in some ETCC events.
Freigherr Josef von Kerkerinck drove an Abarth 1000 TCR in Germany in 1971.
But.
There's a Belgian Van Kerkerinck who raced an Alfa Romeo 1300 GT; he drove in some races in 1968, including Spa. I think that's the one Schickentanz shared his car with.
I have no other enntries for Dutsi.
1969 Alfa GTA in Zandvoort ETCC; 1970 Porsche 911 and Koepchen BMW 2002 in Germany. Then some drives in the awesome AMG Mercedes and the Porsche years. Later he drove for AMG the Mercedes 450 SLC in some ETCC events.
Freigherr Josef von Kerkerinck drove an Abarth 1000 TCR in Germany in 1971.
But.
There's a Belgian Van Kerkerinck who raced an Alfa Romeo 1300 GT; he drove in some races in 1968, including Spa. I think that's the one Schickentanz shared his car with.
I have no other enntries for Dutsi.
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 12:48
Another side of Clemens Schickendanz: Interserie 1971.
Try this link: www.norisringhistorie.de/1971/71_08a.htm
Regards
Juergen
Try this link: www.norisringhistorie.de/1971/71_08a.htm
Regards
Juergen
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 21:58
Frank, I think it s von kerckerinck and german, old family in germany.
Robert
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 22:04
Definitely Josef von Kerckerinck zu Borg
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Posted 18 February 2006 - 22:50
So you mean he is the same chap? Driving an Alfa GTJ in 1963-1968 in Belgium (Spa, coupes de Spa) and an Abarth 1000 in Germany a few years later (1971 Fassberg, Nurburgring and Mainz-Finthen)? Fine by me, but I thought the combination was a little unlikely, but you never know...
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Posted 19 February 2006 - 16:19
In 1968, J. Von Kerckerinck drove at Spa in the Coupes and the 24 H. He's German.
Interesting, the Alfa Romeo 1300 GTJ was entered by Koepchen. Initial drivers were not Schickentanz / Dutsi / Von Kerckerinck, but Von Kerckerinck / Michael Kranefuss, who drove the car in the 6 H of Nurburgring 2 weeks before.
Interesting, the Alfa Romeo 1300 GTJ was entered by Koepchen. Initial drivers were not Schickentanz / Dutsi / Von Kerckerinck, but Von Kerckerinck / Michael Kranefuss, who drove the car in the 6 H of Nurburgring 2 weeks before.
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 10:31
Hello Friends,
I just stumbled over the discussion "Schickendanz" and saw my name mentioned. After all those years, that is really interesting.
Now to the facts: I did drive an Abarth 1000 for a couple of years. First I was given one by IGFA and Gunni Lehmann, who sponsored young drivers who showed some talent. Then I drove a 1300 Alfa Romeo from Herbert Schulze in Berlin and in the 3rd year I went back to another Abarth 1000, which I bought myself. It was black with a golden Cross on top, a great car and I wish I would still own it.
I was entered into the 24 hours of Spa by an Alfa dealer called Koepchen from Gemany, together with Schickendanz and another driver who I don't even remember. We won our class and it was a great race for me. I am German but live in the US since 1978, where I bought a ranch and raised deer. Now I sold the ranch and am more interested in Sharks. I go diving with sharks on a regular basis. I have a website: www.sharkprotect.com and give presentations about sharks.
Amazing what life has in store for us. I'm 67 now but still crazy enough to do all those things and sharks don't really do anything to people. Very rarely do they bite someone.
I don't know how many of you will still be looking into this thread of the forum but if somebody does, here is my latest news. My full name is indeed von Kerckerinck zur Borg but I like to shorten it a bit. Take a look at my website and let me know what you think.
All the best,
Jupp Kerckerinck
I just stumbled over the discussion "Schickendanz" and saw my name mentioned. After all those years, that is really interesting.
Now to the facts: I did drive an Abarth 1000 for a couple of years. First I was given one by IGFA and Gunni Lehmann, who sponsored young drivers who showed some talent. Then I drove a 1300 Alfa Romeo from Herbert Schulze in Berlin and in the 3rd year I went back to another Abarth 1000, which I bought myself. It was black with a golden Cross on top, a great car and I wish I would still own it.
I was entered into the 24 hours of Spa by an Alfa dealer called Koepchen from Gemany, together with Schickendanz and another driver who I don't even remember. We won our class and it was a great race for me. I am German but live in the US since 1978, where I bought a ranch and raised deer. Now I sold the ranch and am more interested in Sharks. I go diving with sharks on a regular basis. I have a website: www.sharkprotect.com and give presentations about sharks.
Amazing what life has in store for us. I'm 67 now but still crazy enough to do all those things and sharks don't really do anything to people. Very rarely do they bite someone.
I don't know how many of you will still be looking into this thread of the forum but if somebody does, here is my latest news. My full name is indeed von Kerckerinck zur Borg but I like to shorten it a bit. Take a look at my website and let me know what you think.
All the best,
Jupp Kerckerinck
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 10:59
Your website is really impressive and makes for some interesting reading! I suppose that your uncle who has been beatified by the Pope is Clemens-August Kardinal Graf von Galen, somebody I admire very much. Since last year, I live in Kevelaer, where there is a strong connection to Kardinal von Galen. He used to visit the local presbytery ("Priesterhaus") quite often and the priest had a special bed made for him which was necessary as Kardinal von Galen was more than two metres. The bed is still there and has a commemorative plaquette on it.
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Posted 10 July 2006 - 22:37
Regarding Clemens Schickentanz. I have just bought his Chevron B21 (same as a B19 but slight difference so not surprising the annotation to the picture below is wrong). We've found the article in Autosport 28/9/72.
It says" Clemens Schikentanz, German saloon car ace found himself driving
a new Chevron BMW B21 sponsored by Dahl-Kanal Racing. The engine was the
first customer 2 litre BMW engine to be sold and not in a March chassis.
The reason for this was that the head and injection were Schneitzer
designed, claims around 270bhp for this unit. Anyone can buy this unit
for a modest 3750GBP. The motor being produced being in full agreement of
Jochen Neerspasch who afterall does not really care who wins as long as
it's a BMW. The head, also 4 valve, bears the Schneitzer one-piece rocker cover
while the injection trumpets are mounted on the left inside of the right
of the engine to suit the easier fitment into German cars apparently."
The car finished 9th in the Interserie race at N'ring - the Norschleifer
ring.
Looks like an interesting car, however not listed in the Chevron book, as
there is only one B21 with BMW engine listed for Dieter Quester's factory
engined car. It was bought & driven by May1974 by the next owner Gorg Moritz
Clemens raced Porsche 911 before & after this in and around 1971.
I am trying to find out as much as I can as i would like to paint the car as it was in 1971. I know he raced for Dahl Kanal - probably in Blue.
Any help & especially colour pictures would be much appreciated.
It says" Clemens Schikentanz, German saloon car ace found himself driving
a new Chevron BMW B21 sponsored by Dahl-Kanal Racing. The engine was the
first customer 2 litre BMW engine to be sold and not in a March chassis.
The reason for this was that the head and injection were Schneitzer
designed, claims around 270bhp for this unit. Anyone can buy this unit
for a modest 3750GBP. The motor being produced being in full agreement of
Jochen Neerspasch who afterall does not really care who wins as long as
it's a BMW. The head, also 4 valve, bears the Schneitzer one-piece rocker cover
while the injection trumpets are mounted on the left inside of the right
of the engine to suit the easier fitment into German cars apparently."
The car finished 9th in the Interserie race at N'ring - the Norschleifer
ring.
Looks like an interesting car, however not listed in the Chevron book, as
there is only one B21 with BMW engine listed for Dieter Quester's factory
engined car. It was bought & driven by May1974 by the next owner Gorg Moritz
Clemens raced Porsche 911 before & after this in and around 1971.
I am trying to find out as much as I can as i would like to paint the car as it was in 1971. I know he raced for Dahl Kanal - probably in Blue.
Any help & especially colour pictures would be much appreciated.
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Posted 11 July 2006 - 21:49
Thanks for the picture. not the prettiest colour scheme in the world. I contacted Dahl Kanal, the son is now running the company &, as luck would have it, it is their 40th anniversary - they have produced a calendar with the cars Dahl sponsored (mostly driven by Clemens I believe). They are kindly sending me one - hopefully it has a colour picture of the Chevron. He is very excited at the prospect of the car running in their colours again.
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 02:18
dears users
hi I add pics of the driver and your car 1973 year
source Automobile year 1973/1974
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hi I add pics of the driver and your car 1973 year
source Automobile year 1973/1974
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 08:37
Group 7 - I've reduced the size of your images as they were way too big!
When you next want to add a pic to your post, please create a lower resolution version first and then upload it to your preferred hosting site. Around 650 pixels width is ideal.
When you next want to add a pic to your post, please create a lower resolution version first and then upload it to your preferred hosting site. Around 650 pixels width is ideal.
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 21:52
I am very impressed with the ability of you guys to drag out all this info & I appreciate the photos. One thing the car I have bought is a Chevron B21 not a Porsche. The B21 did at one time run with a porsche engine but was mainly run with a BMW M12/7.
If anyone had a picture of the Chevron that would be fantastic. Thanks
If anyone had a picture of the Chevron that would be fantastic. Thanks
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Posted 12 July 2006 - 22:00
Forgot i do have a black & white picture that I did find on the web but don't know how to load it on here. Sorry
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Posted 13 July 2006 - 03:38
dear tim window
thanks for your aid
and I do it
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thanks for your aid
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