Lancia Stratos HF and Ferrari 308 GTB group 4 rally cars
#1
Posted 04 May 2006 - 16:26
does anybody know how many of those two models were used on rallyes, their chassis numbers and register plates, and who used them?
I know that the Lancia factory used about 27 ou 28 cars from 1972 on, loaning two or three to the Chardonnet french team on late seventies.
But what about the privateers? Who used them and where?
The same about the Ferrari 308 GTB Gr.4, but in this case I know praticly nothing...
Thanks
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#2
Posted 04 May 2006 - 16:43
Stratoses were much more widely dispersed. The Chequered Flag ran one in the British Rally Championship in 1976/7 or so. As you mention, Chardonnet were probably the principal private team.
#3
Posted 05 May 2006 - 15:48
Live results here: http://www.historic....ts_sporting.php
Regards
Yorgos
#4
Posted 05 May 2006 - 19:47
Here is a group of Ferrari 308 GTBs Group 4 spec by chassis number.
26713, 20951, 19051, 18905, 21883, 21071, 31559, 20373, 18330, 19913, 31135.
19051 was used by Andruet and Emmanuelli in 1981
19913 was used by Liviero and Genovesi in 1981
26713 also used by Andruet and Emmanuelli in 1981 and early 1982 (with 'Biche')
19051 used by Tognana and de Antoni in 1982
21071 used by Andruet and Biche late 1982
31135 used by Vincent and Huret mid 1983
Hope this scant information helps.
Terry
#5
Posted 10 May 2006 - 10:28
Regards
Yorgos
#6
Posted 12 May 2006 - 18:55
#7
Posted 12 May 2006 - 19:22
Terry
#8
Posted 12 May 2006 - 21:42
Jesper
#9
Posted 12 May 2006 - 21:51
http://www.arenamode...com/ferrari.htm
#10
Posted 13 May 2006 - 10:42
Originally posted by gbl
where can I find more photos of this particular car?
http://www.qv500.com/ferrari308p5.php
have a copy of AutoPassion with a piece/test about the Pioneer car, please let me know if you need it...
#11
Posted 13 May 2006 - 11:19
#13
Posted 13 May 2006 - 13:19
http://www.geocities...stratosgal.html
#14
Posted 26 January 2007 - 14:18
Some of the Group 4 drivers were more renowned for circuit racing, i.e. one of the Group 4 Ferrari 308s was driven by Gregor Foitek – not someone that immediately springs to mind when mention of mud-ridden forests comes up…
For instance, the 037 and Group 5 Lancia Montecarlo (piloted by Patrese amongst others, which won its class at Le Mans and came 2nd one year) had virtually nothing in common with the road car; whilst the Group 4 Montecarlo had a horizontally-mounted engine, in the same place as the road car - as opposed to the 037’s transverse engine arrangement.
Aside from Lancia and Ferrari, what other manufacturers fielded Group 4 cars?
Any education on this subject would be gratefully received – thanks!
Edited because I found the right search term for Google and got some education!
Justin
#15
Posted 26 January 2007 - 15:53
Originally posted by flat-16
You’ll have to excuse my ignorance here, but can anyone tell me what the Group 4 specification requirements were?
Some of the Group 4 drivers were more renowned for circuit racing, i.e. one of the Group 4 Ferrari 308s was driven by Gregor Foitek – not someone that immediately springs to mind when mention of mud-ridden forests comes up…
Is there a chance that I’m confusing Group 4 rally cars with Group 5 circuit cars? I know Foitek drove a GP 4 308 as the car was for sale recently.
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Justin
It was Gregor Foitek father, Karl, Gregor being too young at that time
#17
Posted 26 January 2007 - 16:52
The chassis number of Andruet's car was 26713, not 27713. The car shown in the picture is his car (race #3)
Terry
#18
Posted 26 January 2007 - 20:11
Originally posted by fausto
It was Gregor Foitek father, Karl, Gregor being too young at that time
I should have known that! Before I posted here, I looked at Gregor's Wikipedia entry for Gp 4 info; I noticed he was born in 1969 and thought, "what a lucky person, being able to drive cars like that so young"
A Ferrari 308 is hardly a car you'd usually associate with rallying, why did Group 4 attract unusual cars?
Justin
#19
Posted 27 January 2007 - 01:18
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#20
Posted 27 January 2007 - 07:44
Originally posted by Ian McKean
There was also a British privateer who rallied a Ferrari. Wasn't it Tony Worswick? I am sure it was something Worswick!
Yes, in a yellow 308, if my memory doesn't fail....
#21
Posted 27 January 2007 - 14:38
Justin